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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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If I'm understanding you, you're unsatisfied by people calling it art and themselves artists? Good news then? They aren't making art, they're overseeing making graphics. That's what I'm seeing anyway. It's not about expressing personality or soulfulness, it's entirely about producing graphics for some project or, randomly being curious, sometimes specific, and asking for it to be made. It's patronage, people creating the prompt are the clients.
Only difference from before is a machine is the one painting.
Taking the machine's output and retouching it, painting new things in it and over it etc, turns it into a collaboration between machine and client-now- co-creator.
Everyone who made works that the neural net learnt from is also philosophically present in the final result. It's just a lot more palpable here than when someone cribbed from Da Vinci

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Seemed fitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KACt6YhOyY

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Make no mistake, if local instance hardware cost still falls within "new car* money" it will fully revolutionise all hobby & independent projects forever (if they do release it without gating its capability)

*Mercedes Benz car, and an expensive one at that

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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First trump gun isn't realistic, the second iteration looks real-ish, mostly ar-15 mixed with a daewoo or a Japanese type 89, maybe a hint of an Indonesian pindad. The last picture with Nick Nolte is a Japanese type 96 light machine gun from ww2

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Cabbages and Kings posted:

[...] yeah I couldn't look at trumbo anymore, I had to go make this to calm down after


Same. Hey that looks like the Christmas decorations swedish cities like to apply to train stations. No idea how it became a winter thing or why trains but I like it :iiam:

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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That's swing. To bad its not a zoot suit too tho
It is still good

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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I don't remember everything you said here, but about the name 'ACHTUNG! Logistics'; you know those little stickers with a big red WARNING printed at the top, or when a helpful soul shouts "LOOK OUT!" before a big boulder rolls through an intersection or something? Achtung is what the germans use for that, basically.
Can I ask what you want the name to invoke, what effect should it give? Maybe something like, Zeunwerke LogistikFabrikatör would work?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Megazver posted:

I don't find Clip Interrogator terribly useful, usually, unfortunately.

These images are very cool. You might find 'Bernie Wrightson' useful to add into the mix for that kind of art. Junji Ito I think might be a little too recognizable. Like, these are obviously, blatantly Junji Ito pastiche to the point where I'd personally be uncomfortable using them in a commercial product:



Yeah, it's not enough for the AIs. I've been experimenting with different phrasings, but it's not easy.

Have you tried the cinematography terms yet? Like Dutch angle, narrow-angle etc

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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I appreciated them, thank you :3:

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Is that SD or midjourney?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Sourdough Sam posted:

Posting will be the last true art, and it's not looking good for us either.

lol where did you go to posting school and who was your professor. You should ask them for your tuition back, clearly

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Toms Hardware article benchmarking gpu's for stable diffusion use. Some AMD cards do well!

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/stable-diffusion-gpu-benchmarks

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Tiny Myers posted:

I guess the thing that differentiates it for me is that these AIs are so increasingly sophisticated. Like, I think something like ChatGPT would fool a lot of people (not extremely-online people, just random people off the street who aren't very tech-savvy, your grandma or something) into thinking it's a real person if not for constantly reassuring you it isn't. I had a conversation on https://beta.character.ai/ that felt remarkably convincing. Left-clicking to pop bullets at a floppy facsimile of a nazi in a game where you logically know their AI doesn't go beyond game mechanics (not to cheapen the work of AI designers for games, I know the programming is much more sophisticated than this, I just mean the complexity is obviously much different from something like GPT) feels a lot different from the robot that can write me a beautiful poem about itself just because I asked. It feels closer to wearing a VR helmet and shooting at people with realistic faces who cry and beg for their lives. Yeah, you know they're digital, but...

I'm not foolish enough to think that the AI has actual sentience of any kind or feels pain or other emotions, but I can't empathize at all with doing things like that, and it kind of disturbs me that so many people do.

But like, I'm not trying to navel gaze too much, it's a genuine question, and I think you have good points. I've wondered that, if maybe it's good in the long run to have things like this. Like maybe if someone simulates some horrible thing, they'll be satisfied and/or decide "actually this sucks and I have no desire to do it in real life". But on the other hand, armies use VR training for its soldiers.

To be very clear, I'm not trying to doomsay oohhh ai is bad and we should stop making it. I love AI advances and all the creative things people are doing with it, even as a career artist (a lot of my peers are really upset about AI art that works off of datasets scraped from the internet without attribution). It's more "I hate that every time I read about AI I discover some new and creatively upsetting thing other human beings are doing with it" :sweatdrop:

I completely agree with you save for one thing: the size of the (people) problem.

It looks to me like the same issue as porn. The most vile people exist, but as a percentage of all of humanity? There's less of them than early adoption and the internet *everything* makes anything feel.
The fact that they pop up immediately whenever something can be abused by them, is hopefully an indication that the rest of society somewhat works and makes them desperate and starved for things. Again, a pattern we can see in other areas. Ceding areas altogether to vile people is not the answer. But also, familiarity breeds complacency and all that and you make great points.

Sidenote the military isn't training on anything they didn't already train on before using other tools. Ask me how I know :downsowned:


**if there's one place that knows what the spotlight effects aka internet *everything* do, its SA. Pretty sure old aughts we invented it and everything since is technically all our fault.
the internet makes you stupid

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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cinnamon rollout posted:

Maybe I am just bad at AI, but I've found it very difficult to change specific things to other very specific things. For example changing the color of a short from like grey to blue. Stable diffusion just can't seem to get it done, and if I want a very specific color of blue it's impossible.
I guess I would need to do something like gather a handful of pictures of the specific color shirt I want, and train it on those?
I've had fun making random stuff, but getting specific has been pretty frustrating.

With masking and in-painting the specific area is how things finally started clicking for me. Before, mashing iterate on the whole picture never got me close to what I wanted. Iterating specific areas of the picture, one at a time, is where the efficiency hides

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

What’s more ethical

threatening someone to get them to do what you want

Or

Installing bolts into someone’s brain to restrict what they can think

If you're thinking about Donald Trump the answer is the second one. Do you want help with that?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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BrainDance posted:

I wrote a very long, detailed, step by step guide to finetuning the larger GPT-Neo models including text formatting. There was a lot of stuff that just wasn't well documented that I tried to document. I host it on my personal website though so I don't want to link it (its got my name in it) but, would people be interested in that and mind if I make a post or two out of it? Like I said it's long so I don't wanna just go and do it.

I trained GPT-Neo 1.3B on the Laozi, Liezi, and Zhuangzi (the 3 big Daoist philosophers) and my results are actually better than I thought




Knowledge is always* good. You could also make a specific thread for it and link to it here if it'll get very large

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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KPC_Mammon posted:

My girlfriend is playing a goblin in our Pathfinder game and we were having a hell of a time using stable diffusion to make anything resembling a goblin. I wish people included prompts so I could make a less sexually objectified version that actually has a face. I should ask the TG thread for help making fantasy stuff.

Try... making a male goblin? Then mask out and iterate the face with different prompts, might work?

Oh boy, I'm starting to think these perverts might be a problem

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Sexual Lorax posted:

[...]
one of the party tricks id like to get better at is changing the style of a photo to oil painting or dagguerotype or whatever and i know that img2img in automatic1111 is the core of that but this tech moves so quickly that im having one devil of a time finding documentation or tutorials so if someone has the time and inclination to point me in a direction id be greatly appreciative
[...]

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busalover posted:

New tool, not sure how much benefit it brings over the existing ones

Composer: Creative and Controllable Image Synthesis with Composable Conditions
https://damo-vilab.github.io/composer-page/
https://github.com/damo-vilab/composer



Havent had time to check but for very precise transformations, this seems tailormade?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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I for sure thought that model would've been named Tarantino

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Nigmaetcetera posted:

Can you make it cry, I ask for non-sadistic reasons?

Edit: drat it I meant to hit back, not post! I don’t want to torture an AI, just bully it a little, I swear.

Guys will literally bully an ai instead of getting therapy, shaking my head. Seek help, it is the only thing that will make you happy in the end

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Whatever else we will get out of this conversation, I think it'd run easier if we start on the same page about what's driving most* of the public outrage still: fear of losing hypothetical money. A fear that a persons paid work would be done for free by a machine.

You should fully expect that solving the valid concerns about theft, amorality, the classical ghost stories about dangerous dystopia machines etc, will not stop the outrage.
You won't calm the folks who liked being the only one who could do the work and are trying to argue around that fact or hide that's whats making them mad.

For all the hard to describe effects this tech will have on our futures, it is the money that kicked over the hornets nest



*concerns about gatekeeping behind massive coroprations, or independent artists who are afraid people won't love their smol paintings anymore, is related but not the same. Everyone itt supports them for one

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Junk posted:

built myself a new pc and decided to give stable diffusion another shot. I didn't realize that it was so dependent on nvidia, which sucks because i bought a radeon 7900xt. turns out there's a fork of stable diffusion webui that uses direct ml, only downside is it eventually will tell me i've run out of video memory if I create enough images in a row. dunno if anyone has any advice to give on this that doesn't involve giving nvidia money.

Far as I know we simply wait
Hugging Face and AMD partner to give better options for creatives

I'm unsure if it'll benefit the previous gen rdna2 cards, but your new rdna3 7900 will absolutely.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Gashroom posted:

Blobfish goes shopping



Amazing

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Dead Sex-Parrot posted:

prompt:
code:
thank you :)

:3:

:3:

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Small Strange Bird posted:

A big old 'gently caress you' to whoever trains Bing/Dall-E: I was trying to get a picture of a woman of, y'know, average build rather than the rail-thin models AI image generators tend to default to when you ask for "a woman". The problem with Bing is that most of the descriptors you'd use to do that get eggdogged, but I eventually managed to get "slightly overweight" to work in a prompt.



This is Bing's idea of a "slightly overweight" woman - ie, perfectly normal and healthy. :fuckoff:

I'm not trying to be funny but, have you tried experimenting with different nationalities in the prompts? This is {tech bro trained matrixes using the last 20 years of the internet for material} country after all

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