Cicero posted:

Related thought here: from the tech side, it seems like it might be useful for poster's rap sheets to include a stat of "median time between probes" that excludes time they've been on probation in the calculation.

Koos Group posted:

That's because your post was reported, and the original wasn't. If it had been, I probably would have hit it.

Cicero posted:

To help identify posters who consistently post like poo poo.

Sixers are fine in the average case where someone just needs to be told to knock it off and then they'll behave, but obviously that's not enough for some posters.

fez_machine posted:

I'd say your cowardice in the face of criticism is not a modding decision.

fez_machine posted:

If your only example of thread moderation being hostile to counter opinions is "I posted my opinions and the reaction of other posters left a bad taste in my mouth so I left" then that's a big fuss over nothing and intellectual cowardice.

fez_machine posted:

What's the moderation solution to that thread culture?

Despera posted:

When that position also implies giving a totalarian country free reign to commit genocide, no.

Despera posted:

Hey its not like ukrainians who surrendered like that take argued they should werent shot in the back of the head.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

That's not what happened

Pointing out that the position you support (Ukraine disarming and surrendering) will lead to those same people getting killed

forbidden dialectics posted:

There are still a small group of prolific trolls who post almost nothing but odious garbage, who seem to be immune from being probated.

Main Paineframe posted:

I agree with the general principle of this

Instead of seeing a view that disagrees with theirs and jumping straight to the worst and most uncharitable assumption possible, I think it would be cool if people attempted to have a conversation and come to a mutual understanding, and part of that is at least trying to assume that you're dealing with reasonable people who are maybe just being a little unclear about their views or aren't working from the same preconceptions as you

Sodomy Hussein posted:

I always hate when these threads become about side issues because almost by design it never goes anywhere. Reading a recap of current posting blood feuds is exhausting, and usually pointless as people tend to misrepresent each other and not post receipts. But,

A mirthless lol to this horrible post, what in the gently caress is wrong with you.

Jaxyon posted:

Karatela posted:

You want my advice? Get some trans mods in who you can get a sanity check off of and go "is this bigoted poo poo or not?" or better yet, let them moderate said posts. I can assure you, you might not know all the dogwhistles, but they will. This neutral ground poo poo just leaves the door open for bigoted assholes to see themselves as having official sanction, because if other places would ban it, and we don't, we must be fine with it.

Quotey posted:

I don't think the people PMing Cool to thank her are bigots probably? I wonder why they're so fragile!

Anyone remember when a guy said he was an economics professor and the first 2 replies were insulting him because economics isn't real and he posted on DND like one more time after that? No loving wonder.

Jaxyon posted:

This isn't a safe space for trans posters. There are shitposting facebook groups that give less slack to transphobic bigots. They respond to transphobes like you and your team responds to posts critical of yourselves. I like their priorities better.

Jaxyon posted:

How so?

Main Paineframe posted:

It was one of the D&D feedback threads run by the admins, back when they were trying to get a sense for what the hell was going on in D&D. They're great reads, IMO, if only because it was really funny watching the admins be completely stunned and baffled at the poo poo that passes for normal posting here

Jaxyon posted:

A "safe space" means "a place or environment in which a person or category of people can feel confident that they will not be exposed to discrimination, criticism, harassment, or any other emotional or physical harm." That is not this forum. It feels like you've internalized the "hugbox" distortion of what a safe space is that bigots promote.

Who What Now posted:

There's also people who are in that group saying "hey we don't want that poo poo here". Quite a few of them, in fact.

Jaxyon posted:

I try to err on the side of "is this a safe space" and if people are being exposed to calm-hitler and being harassed through DMs, I don't think it's a safe space.

That said, you're asking me to stop, so I will.

Who What Now posted:

A transphobe at best. The other you defended across multiple threads and continue to defend.

Who What Now posted:

Was that D&D mod Koos?

Who What Now posted:

Thank goodness you're going to maybe possibly reconsider how much bigotry is too much. Gonna give it a really thunking.

Gumball Gumption posted:

I'd argue it's the opposite, like I said make more explicit warnings that this is a place where moderation expects you to be exposed to a certain amount of bigotry for the purpose of showing people how to argue against bigots. It might piss people off but it's also the truth and then people can decide if they want to post in D&D or not. I personally think it will lead to less posting but it will lead to less contentious posting as well because the unhappy will leave and the mod team will get the D&D they're currently working towards but not explicitly lining out.

Rob Filter posted:

Fair. The problem is not the exact wording, but more the open dismissiveness to language trans activists are using.

Rob Filter posted:

Honestly your right, without the rest of the transphobia calling it a slogan or a catchphrase or whatever would have been fine, so its actively useless for me to specifically call this out. I retract that. The rest of the post stands.