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Should I step down as head of twitter
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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Random thing I've been thinking about was the CEO of Elon's first job did a Q&A and was asked "if you could interview anyone who would it be and what would you ask them?" and his answer was basically "I would interview Elon Musk and ask him how much of his dumber behavior comes from working at a company that YOLOed into an industry they knew nothing about pretending they were hot poo poo and lit a bunch of money on fire."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-pUrB8vf3o

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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MrQwerty posted:

SpaceX and Tesla also both have loving awful, toxic work environments based on burning people out and destroying them as fast as possible. With the insulation. If they weren't there, SX would have killed some people with a Crew Dragon by now, and there would be multiple deaths/day at the Tesla factory.
They also depend on being "hey, want to be part of something awesome?" type companies for retention, whereas Twitter is turning into more of a "hey, want to be part of a rapidly-worsening soon-to-be-bankrupt pile of poo poo?" company where obviously-better opportunities are abundant.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Is this the public naming and shaming he was threatening earlier? Yesssssss.

Hardcastlemccormik posted:

I would pay money to listen into the execs at Apple trying to figure out what Musk will do next and if they have to respond now or not.

The strongest we get from Apple would be an open letter in the style of Jobs’ rant against Flash or DRM. I doubt it though. This won’t affect them.
I would say they could retaliate with capricious App Store rule changes that forces Twitter's depleted engineering staff to waste precious time doing nonsense to stay on, but that'd be indistinguishable from what they already do.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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This is reminding me of the monologue at the end of Training Day where he's spewing out threats acting like hot poo poo and nobody cares because they know they can just walk away and he'll be gone as soon as the clock runs out.

Withnail posted:

Weird, I see an Apple ad and an Amazon ad in my twitter feed. I don't remember ever actually seeing an ad on twitter.
I think something changed recently because UBlock Origin isn't successfully blocking ad tweets now.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Withnail posted:

Fire the people looking for csam and focus the hardcore on defeating adblock. Sounds about right...
Really for embedded content (vs. stuff that requires contacting known ad host domains) it can just break from random things changing that break whatever detection filter the block rule uses. It usually gets blocked again after a few hours (which has already happened for UBlock).

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

god it must rule to be a journalist and just write 2 pages about the societal impacts of diet coke or the queer community's views on spongebob and get it put in the nation's paper of record while actual wars or mass protests get 2 paragraphs and most of its just you regurgitating some tweets you found.
That specific author only writes about food and this feels like she was just using it as an excuse to dump out the Diet Coke article she always wanted to write.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Data Graham posted:

because holy poo poo that gormless Terminator voice.
He does sound like that though.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Ups_rail posted:

Of course if the district is dissolved the billions in bonds it has out will have to be taken over by someone. So I suspect disney and florida will work something out while idots do victory laps.
I'm legit wondering if this is some idiotic switcheroo where he wants to make it seem like he's "owning the libs" to his idiot base while actually turning a bunch of Disney debt into taxpayer debt so Disney'll be like "oh okay I see what you're doing, here have some more cash for re-election." Win-win for both of them and a loss for anyone with a brain.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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The point of adding better video support is that he wants to add video paywalling, a.k.a. turn Twitter into OnlyFans.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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dr_rat posted:

So other than it content maker created porn don't know much about Onlyfans. Is it on any of the app stores? I can see google allowing, apple though?
AFAIK they have an app in the Google Play Store but it's non-monetized and non-sexual-content only, and they don't have an app in the App Store at all. They're kind of in this weird situation where they became a porn site by accident. It originally wasn't supposed to be that, and mainly started after some cam site bought a controlling stake in the company. They keep trying to rehabilitate their image as having more than just porn, and they were actually going to ban porn at one point until it blew up in their face.

quote:

Also yeah, that's definitely getting you put on the lowest tier of advertisers.
Well he seems to think the real money is in DM smut so we'll see how that works out for him.

Best part of all this is it's obvious he's a heavy OnlyFans user and that's where he's getting this idea that it's what Twitter is "missing." (HINT: Its UI looks exactly like Twitter)

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Dec 1, 2022

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Neddy Seagoon posted:

Supposedly SWIFT was Not Happy with OnlyFans and that was part of the reason to try and drop the porn.
IIRC basically what happened first was Visa/MasterCard stopped processing payments to PornHub over revenge porn/unauthorized uploads/etc. That led PornHub to disable all videos from unverified accounts (which, TOTALLY COINCIDENTALLY, led to the near-total disappearance of visible faces from the site. Weird!).

Anyway, in the aftermath of that, a conservative anti-porn group with a deceptive name made to sound like they were fighting bad sex crimes (vs. their old name, "Morality in Media") put pressure on Visa/MasterCard to add extremely overkill documentation requirements (or something like that) that would have basically killed the ability of amateur porn sites to make any money. They took the bait and OnlyFans was doing to have to go no-porn under the new rules, but Visa/MasterCard backed off a bit when they realized that they'd been duped and so OnlyFans scrapped their plans to go clean.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-visa-mastercard-being-blamed-onlyfans-banning-explicit-content-pornography-1621570

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Klyith posted:

I know it sucks that the right-wing christian moralizers might once in a while make a good point, but occasionally the truth is 2 steps into the middle and pornhub isn't some totally innocent victim.
I'm not saying they're an innocent victim because they absolutely weren't. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the non-professional videos before the verification changes were of women that didn't consent to the video being uploaded.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Da gently caress is Neuralink even supposed to do?
Make your brain hallucinate ways that Elon Musk will wisely put your investment money to use.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
Need a bunch of people replying to him about Twitter's secret moderation cabal determined to prevent Kirk Johnson from becoming vice president.

Nice Van My Man posted:

Why do these rich assholes keep thinking they've got some sort of smoking gun and then come up with absolutely nothing?
Whenever the assholes are generating fake scandals it's to distract from real scandals, like letting the Daily Stormer guy back on.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Dec 3, 2022

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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resident posted:

If Elon has some kind of 4D chess plan ongoing it’s to make Twitter the analog to braindamaged GenX republicans as Fox News was to Boomers but I don’t see how this move could possibly be a step in the right direction.
It kind of is because the way Facebook and cable TV turned into right-wing boomer traps is by stagnating and generally going to poo poo, and so people willing to try new things were the first to leave.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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It's pretty baffling that even if this is a cover, his response is "no, I'm not going to tell the world that we're having a massive unexpected issue, I'm going to tell the world that it is a totally-intentional terrible decision and I am wrecking the site on purpose."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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BigglesSWE posted:

I don't know when it happened, maybe they've always been like this, but at some point chuds decided they can never ever allow themselves to be perceived as a loser in any circumstance. Everything is either actually good and anything claiming otherwise is FAKE NEWS or the thing, whatever it is, is deviously bad because (((THEY))) rigged it, or what have you.

Try and imagine literally any billion-dollar-level corporation acting like this. Imagine, if after the great Mexico Gulf disaster, BP's big PR-campaign afterwards was "ACTUALLY THE OIL IS A NATURAL SUBSTANCE SO THE OCEAN IS FINE NOTHING IS WRONG YOU ARE WRONG".
This case has been pretty different because it's Elon is just like "haha look at all these people that think this site is anything other than my toy to play with."

It's like he flat-out just does not care about it being a functional company in any way and is totally happy to see $44 bil go up in smoke just as a flex of what a big powerful bag of money he is.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Djarum posted:

I was reading something from a former Twitter engineer the other day. They said that Twitter was like an airplane, if the engines die it isn’t going to fall out of the sky right away. It will glide for awhile before it hits the ground. We are nearing it hitting the ground I think.
Meanwhile Elon is filling the engines with concrete so he can make a flying cement mixer.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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emSparkly posted:

Is there no web interface for this poo poo? Is it really only an app because it can't scoop up my data as well from Firefox?
Also no way to block ads.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

keep punching joe posted:

Mastadon is full of people posting rear end and demanding the return of guillotines, I don't think threads federation is going to work unless it's just with the boring tech instances.
Federation also has some serious reliability risk that is 100% going to bite it in the rear end if it starts to scale, which is really the biggest problem with Mastodon. It has no central account infrastructure, you can only transfer your account if the instance you're signed up on is still operating, so an instance abruptly shutting down means all of the accounts on it go poof, and if there's one thing you don't want to live by on the Internet, it's the motivation of unpaid server admins.

They really need to get public-key-based account identification and recovery or something, it's a solvable technical problem, but right now it's just a ticking bomb.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Freaquency posted:

Blocking all of the brand accounts on Threads is like a game of Whack-A-Mole that also mines all of your data
Sounds like they should have made it like 3-6 months of no ads and downranking brand accounts to soak up initial users without deterring them with commercial spam before boiling that frog, but it's Meta so they probably forgot what it's like to not be in the maximum extraction phase.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
All of the "X: The Everything App" devs were poached to put their vaporware skills to use on "the metaverse."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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It would be in line with some other weird Facebook policies, like they don't allow business pages on FB without them being linked to a personal account.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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kazil posted:


lol Elon's new Twitter strategy is to sue everyone
Old post but this is such ridiculously disingenuous poo poo. Most huge US companies incorporate in Delaware for a whole bunch of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons is that there are so many companies incorporated in Delaware that there are boatloads of lawyers available familiar with Delaware corporate law. It is basically the default state for a US company to incorporate in.

So I'm sure all of you will be totally shocked to learn that SpaceX is incorporated in Delaware:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000118141217000002/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml

And so is Tesla:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000119312510017054/dex31.htm

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jul 11, 2023

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Awkward Davies posted:

I hate him so much. How is it possible the richest man on earth is that shittiest moron from your middle school.
Because rich people are overrated idiots born into wealth, pathologically unable to be satisfied with what they have, and extremely upset when their wealth does not earn them the respect of the people that they deem inferior.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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"Sir, what is the business model of this company? It doesn't seem like it solves any particular problem."

"NO NO IT SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM."


Even by idiot investor bait standards this is a new level of contempt.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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MunchE posted:

Elon is more 10 years ago Reddit culture than early internet
He reminds me of relatives posting stale memes on Facebook, it's like a cross-era mash-up of pathetic late-to-the-party desperate edginess.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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wilderthanmild posted:

"Device user seconds" that is the most stupid tech exec rear end made up KPI I've ever heard. There are probably so many people massaging whatever number made him happy to avoid getting fired/pip'd/etc that the number has lost even the tiny amount of meaning it even started with.
This is also after removing the ability to look at Twitter while not logged in, so basically they juiced their per-user engagement by purging a category of low-engagement users.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Riven posted:

The top trending word on the entire platform the last two days was “apologize.” The CEO finally posted and did not include the word “sorry” and the responses are basically “girl, how did you get people to give you 8 million dollars when you’re this loving dense?”
Corporate apologies are worthless PR bullshit anyway.

Riven posted:

Yeah part of the dev response has been “moderate through federation,” to which the community response is “that isn’t possible yet and you are running this particular instance and thus are responsible for moderating it
How exactly is federation supposed to fix the problem? Compartmentalizing communities and letting them self-police can work, but that doesn't require federated servers, and Reddit it and still had loads of problems with that kind of setup with cross-linking leading to brigading and targeted harassment.

It also makes the problem worse by raising the collateral damage cost of cutting a lovely instance off of the network.

KakerMix posted:

People shouldn't have such strong sway over anything individually, ever. It always is worse for the world, full stop
I don't think this is true, it's more a problem of blobbing together management and investment into "ownership." The real money isn't in managing a company competently, it's in having a lot of money and putting it somewhere that makes the money "work for you" a.k.a. get paid for already being rich.

(And also for controlling access to capital.)

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jul 15, 2023

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Bad Purchase posted:

musk is still worth something because the cybrtrk hasn't flopped yet and there are still believers that autopilot will work someday
The Cybertruck and FSD probably don't matter that much for Tesla's valuation, what matters is it dominating the electric car market, but that also depends a lot on electric cars being "the future" and not "the present," which is only going to last for a few more years.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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MunchE posted:

Burr you would 100% assume goes the same lovely chuddy trajectory into grumpy old man humor but he's actually touched on some hot button topics in a really funny and interesting way without bitching about people getting offended. Because people are laughing, because he's actually *funny*.
Burr's thing is he thinks most "controversy" is artificially-amplified bullshit, and he also stakes out on both sides of an issue a lot. Like the Dylan Mulvaney situation he was like "that was an extremely dumb move by Anheuser Busch and also the people getting mad about it are anger-addicted morons."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Butterwagon posted:

Small business owners are some of the most insane awful people you will ever meet
They also do tons of dodgy/illegal/negligent poo poo because they haven't been in business long enough to get sued for it yet.

It is partly true that Facebook is supporting regulation as a way of locking newer competitors out of the market, but this one is just going to punch them in the face.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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TulliusCicero posted:

Why is every social media site rate limiting?

What the gently caress why is every Tech Bro so loving stupid
Most properly-designed public-facing services will rate limit because requests to the service are much cheaper to make than to service, so crappy scrapers and bots that cause high load to the service have to be accounted for so they don't cause service degradation for normal users, or wind up being very costly to the service provider while not bringing in much value to the provider.

Twitter has had a rate limiter for a long time, the only reason it turned into a problem was because Elmo started tweaking the knobs himself.

Really, Threads just should have shut up about it because right now "rate limits" are a hot-button issue because of the Twitter screwup, and unless it's severely miscalibrated, nobody should be noticing.

big black turnout posted:

Part of it is that rate limiting posting and consuming are being conflated. Every site including SA rate limits posts as the most basic anti spam measure. Only musky was big brained enough to rate limit reading to one post an hour
Consuming is usually rate-limited too, it's just usually set so high that normal people don't have a problem.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Hardcastlemccormik posted:

If I were to map his decision making onto previous idiot narcissistic bosses I’ve had in the past, Musk thinks that scalpers and bots are a huge issue, with almost zero evidence, and start making up “””solutions””” that make no sense to combat that, like rate and view limiting. If anything, the general instability of the product is probably going to cause Musk to make more unhinged phantom problem/solutions.
I'm having a hard time figuring out his intents because he's a pathological liar, so nothing he says about his intentions and Twitter's status can really be trusted at all.

His decisionmaking reminds me mostly of Eddie Lampert, the guy who destroyed Sears by basically doing various things to screw over everyone with a financial interest in Sears succeeding while self-dealing, enriching himself, and creating plausible deniability of the whole thing being just bad management.

There is basically no decision that he's made since taking over that doesn't track with intentionally destroying the company, and there are valid reasons for someone to do that, but I think Elon's motives are more that he's a narcissistic douche with too much money and he figures that since he bought it, then it's his toy to play with now, and he really doesn't care if he runs it into the ground if that's the price of never having to listen to anybody else, especially advertisers.

War Wizard posted:

Is that a :eightbux:?
I mean every Elon tweet sure is "dropping a nugget" in one sense.

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Musk buying Fox would be hilarious because it'd inevitably lead to conflict with Trump when both of them feel like they should be the main character and the other is getting too much attention.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Burning_Monk posted:

This is what's really holding it back.
Making posts on Threads inline to your Facebook feed would have helped too, but there isn't anything you can do with Threads that you couldn't do with your Facebook public feed anyway. It just shows the weirdness of the whole arrangement: They needed it to be a separate environment so it would be a new launch instead of just Facebook Lite, but by being a new launch instead of Facebook Lite, it's worse.

Mokotow posted:

You’d think a chronological feed would be an mvp feature, but Facebook devs have Facebook brains and everything has to be a wall filled by an algorithm.
They've totally forgotten how to be in "lose money to attract users" mode, they only know how to exist in "abuse the size of your userbase to poo poo up the service" mode.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Naming your product "X" is so edgy and cool that I'm going to go get my JNCO jeans back out of the closet.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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smoobles posted:

what the gently caress is a "global town square" someone please explain it to me
Imagine, if you would, Cash App, except it costs $8 per month.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Anybody can trademark a specific graphical iteration of the letter X. But you have hit upon one of the many, many reasons this is a stupid idea, which is that it's ridiculously hard to branch out if your brand is "X" because so much of the marketplace branding is already taken.

Like, image if Twitter X wanted to branch out into video game streaming. What are they going to call it? X-Games? Oops. X-video? Oops. Xbox? Oops. X-tream? Oops.
There was a goon making a game called Build Your Own Battleship and they had to rename it because lawyers told them that naming any sort of entertainment product with the word "Battleship" in it would have Hasbro's lawyers all over them. Having "X" as a global brand is just.... what...

Also this sort of thing DID work in the 90's because business were very adamant about having the ".com" part be a part of their corporate identity, but that isn't really a thing any more.

Halisnacks posted:

While Musk/Twitter/X won’t be the one that does it, why hasn’t one of the real players in Big Tech tried to make a superapp for the west?
Gonna be hard to answer this without making a big effortpost but there are a few reasons:

First, bringing a company into multiple lines of business is usually a bad idea in the first place because it can expose stability-dependent lines of business to financial losses from unstable lines of business. That's especially the case when a lot of the gig economy apps have bled massive amounts of money on marketing. But basically, companies don't like getting into business which are too different from each other because it screws up the financing.

Second, the US smartphone ecosystem is dominated by Apple and Apple has a history of undermining or attempting to undermine apps that become too ubiquitous on their platform.

Third, the companies that could do it are being dumb. Google is the closest thing to building up an ecosystem of apps, but they've fallen into bad habits of not supporting their products after launch. Meta's products are much closer to what QQ was, but they keep making GBS threads up their user experience. Apple doesn't care because they're a hardware company. Twitter isn't going to do it because it's a shitposting app, WeChat got into money transmission because it was largely for contacting people you know, not posting your brainfarts to random idiots on the Internet.

Finally, WeChat is effectively a state-sponsored project, being a big part of the Chinese surveillance apparatus. Apple absolutely can not do to WeChat what they did to Facebook in the US, they will lose access to the Chinese market if they try.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jul 24, 2023

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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kazil posted:

redirecting to a GoDaddy site for me atm
It takes time for DNS changes to propagate, but Elon probably announced it as soon as he pushed the button.

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