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   What is When They Cry? The When They Cry series is a series of visual novels of Visual Novels by Ryuukishi07 and some of his associates. It has expanded into anime adaptions, music CDs, live dramas, and a bunch of other areas. Broadly, all of the VNs can be classified as mysteries to some extent, but they all differ in many ways. They are:
Why do these VNs get their own thread? While the Visual Novel thread has traditionally been used to talk about Higurashi and Umineko, a common trend for these VNs are for people to post their thoughts as they go through it, along with theories and such, with others responding to their theories. Even outside this, it generates lots of discussion, and tends to have a rather obsessed fandom. This regularly leaves the VN thread having several pages in a row that look like CIA documents, so now we are trying to remedy that.  Spoiler PolicyMark spoilers with what spoilers are contained within. It doesn't need to be precise, just ensure it is an upper bound on what will be covered. Don't give unsolicited spoilers for these VNs, even when you properly tag the spoilers. If someone asks you, are you trying to have a separate discussion with more spoilers, then fine, but make sure it is clearly marked as such. The entire point is that people who haven't finished are going to be active here, and we don't want them to lose the enjoyment of finding things for themselves. General thread rules Any post in this thread need to be at least one of the following:
Hypothetical questions for rhetorical purposes Is discussion about When They Cry banned in the main VN thread now? No, but posting there should ideally be limited to:
Oh I have the best Higurashi hentai co-- No, don't. Please. This is the kind of poo poo that got the old-old VN thread banned. These VNs are non-pornographic, and for the love of god, keep it that way. Can I talk about the franchise in general here outside the visual novels? Sure. Tag spoilers for these appropriately though. Can I liveblog something outside of When They Cry? No, at least not right now. The main VN thread isn't having any major problems with other VNs. MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 30, 2022 |
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Who the gently caress is shion
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Apr 30, 2022 22:12
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Gaius Marius posted:Who the gently caress is shion I typoed Mion since I was trying to reference to that random argument.
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I should start reading Higurashi again. I think I stopped after ch3 because it was too painful and then ch4 started slow
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Apr 30, 2022 22:40
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Apr 30, 2022 23:06
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Umineko is poorly written and incompetently localized, and one of the most important works of fiction of the modern age.
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I accidentally hit something on my keyboard to turn them to the og sprites. I was loving shook man
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Diary posting Umineko is essential to the experience. Good to see there's a thread to encourage that.
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LordMune posted:Umineko is poorly written and incompetently localized, and one of the most important works of fiction of the modern age. Meanwhile, at witch hunt...
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a few friends and i have been recording a podcast where we talk about umineko as we read it. i like to think we are very funny and insightful and hopefully a good listen. check it out if you want: https://goldentruths.net/ i'm looking down the barrel of starting ep 8 now and it feels weird. like i came off of episode 6 with the opinion that umineko could have ended there and i would have been happy with it. episode 7 felt like checking your answers after solving the puzzle. i guess i just don't know what's left? i have no idea where this could be going? it's wild i really hope there's some kind of announcement about ciconia because i'm really interested in picking that up post-umineko but apprehensive about it being on a cliffhanger for years lol
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Ugh I want Ciconia Phase 2 to come out.
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An upcoming Neptunia game (out in Japan) called Sisters vs Sisters has a character based on Higurashi. https://www.compileheart.com/neptune/nepsis/chara/higurashi.php
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MonsterEnvy posted:Ugh I want Ciconia Phase 2 to come out.
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Dehry posted:An upcoming Neptunia game (out in Japan) called Sisters vs Sisters has a character based on Higurashi.
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Right, I posted about having just finished up some stuff in the other VN thread, so here's a big wall of text on things. Spoilers up through the end of Umineko episode 3, including the Tea Parties throughout. I'll break it up a bit and tag each section for handiness since I've not posted thoughts on any of the prior episodes either. Episode 3 general thoughts: drat, that was a ride alright. Up until the very last scene I was convinced that Beato was gonna be an "ally" of sorts up until near the end, helping Battler to sort out and unmask a succession of other Golden Witches before finishing off their game at the very end. Guess I was told on that point though, and it'll teach me not to trust a witch (except maybe Ange (and maybe-maybe Maria?)). I'd totally read the North Wind and the Sun strategy as just trying to help ease up on Eva Beatrice's cruelty on the Witch Side, rather than being something as long-term and underhanded as what we got. But yeah, it had a lot of good scenes like the game vs Eva Beatrice and Kyrie/Rudolf fighting the Sisters. Like as of the moment I'm of the opinion that anything magical that's presented from the Witch Side as story has to be "plausible" within that magical point of view, since it could be reality based on the outcome of the main game, so those two being able to fight the stakes off like that using non-magical means is impressive, as it's something I could see them as being able to do no matter what. After all that and Ange's introduction, I'm very excited to see how much of an absolute mess episode 4 turns out to be. Thoughts on the Ushiromiya family and the other characters: So from what I've read so far, the impression I'm getting is that everyone in the family aren't as bad as how they were initially presented, and are generally just normal people outside of the wealthy aspect (I'll not say "good" considering some of the poo poo that the adults went though and have done though). Except Kinzo, gently caress Kinzo, everything so far seems to stem from how badly he's treated his family since forever, and bringing everyone together for the family meeting really brings out the absolute worst in each of them. Like as of episode 3 the one I'm most suspicious of is George, considering how he's been shown as much more "perfect" compared to everyone else so far (as even the kids have their own issues, like Battler's relationship with his parents, Jessica's health and succession troubles, and Maria's own hyperfixations and personality swings). Ange has just been introduced as of the ??? scene, so not much I can say on her as of just yet either. Battler is stubborn enough to warp the very fabric of reality around him, but he's a good kid at least considering how easily he's empathized with everyone these past few episodes As for the servants and Nanjo, I definitely have far less of a read on those as of the moment, especially the older ones. Shannon and Kanon mostly seem to be fine since they've been fleshed out and presented as more relatable/human so far, but Ronoue has been real stoic so far in comparison. Kumasawa is definitely an odd one out given the back and forth work history with Kinzo, and I could definitely see her knowing more than she lets on if her being/housing Vergillia on the Witch Side also paints her as Beatrice's mentor/servant in some way on the Human Side, depending on how closely things have to parallel each other there. Nanjo I still can't say as much on so far, as the most expression he's shown has been when he gets somewhat panicky in episode 3 when Battler points out that he and Eva are the only two without an alibi near the end. As for the witches, I'm definitely enjoying Beato as a character, especially when her and Battler really get to play off of each other (though Dread of the Grave playing in most of those scenes also helps). Falling for the whole setup of episode 3 didn't help get more a grasp of her actual character beyond the usual ahaha.wav and BATTOOOORA this time though, since I can't be wholly certain how much of that could have potentially been some of Beatrice the Human showing through vs Beatrice the Golden Witch, in case inheriting that title comes with some sort of downside or curse alongside the Endless Magic. As the Epitaph mentions to "put the witch to sleep for all time" as part of it, I could definitely see her being released from that role and free to live as a human as part of the overall ending depending on if any of it was real. Vergillia I'll wait to see more of here for the same reason, considering her acting completely differently in the ending. For the witch's furniture, the Seven Sisters have been fun but aren't too deep as characters individually so far, and I'm not too into the Chiesters for the same reason as of now. Ronove is good fun as well though considering he seems to be the closest to a neutral party in this entire thing so far, and I can definitely see him working against Beato for her own good if losing this game is indeed the "better" option. Thoughts on the mysteries in general: So far in terms of the murders, I don't have any concrete information on what went on in episodes 1 and 2 anyway, as 3 has been a bit more generous in terms of the chain of closed rooms having a few more points to poke holes at, as well as Eva Beatrice needing to come up with so much Red Truth to dig herself out of a hole which also helped narrow some things down as well. So while I have some ideas for episode 3, I'll probably come back to the others later. I have absolutely zero idea about the Epitaph beyond what Eva "revealed" in episode 3, which seems to be about the key being a word which is 6 characters long. I'm guessing this is some level of kanji>katakana>English conversion due to Eva trying to figure out how to express it in that length, but I don't have much of an idea on that for now either, especially if geography does factor in heavily as that is not one of my strong points. The 8-digit number on the parlor door however I am like 99% certain is gonna be a phonetics puzzle, based on grabbing other words which sound like how the numbers are pronounced. Ryuukishi07 has used that trick before in other works, and the "when spoken" part of George's dead profile really helps push that angle. I'm limited in what I can do for it right now since while I can look up words, stringing them together into something that makes sense is a different story since I don't know enough on Japanese for that, especially if trying to figure out which (if any) are actually double digits upward. The 7 is very likely the 'shichi' reading which 死地 also shares as an example, being linked to death/a place to die/an inescapable situation, linking into it being a "spell to a small Golden Land" also mentioned in George's profile, but I may be wrong on it even depending on how everything links together. Thoughts on the episode 3 mystery specifically: My thoughts on this can be summed up as "a whole mess". I do believe that Eva was the murderer in the case of Rosa and Maria, but maybe not for anyone else beyond them. I don't see her as having had anything to do with the first set of murders as that was the impetus for her solving the Epitaph and having actual motive from then on. I also don't see her being able to keep any level of poker face if she'd have been involved in any of her family's death, even if she was only present at them. As such, my current theory is that another party initiated the first twilight, Eva carried out the second twilight, and the original party then carried out the remaining twilights. As for the who for the other deaths, my current guess is Kanon and Shannon, assisted by Nanjo. As for the why, not quite sure just yet. While "Kanon" and "Shannon" are named as dead by the witches, it's also been established that at the very least these two have furniture names due to coming from Kinzo's orphanage. As such, if they were to give up their role as furniture, the personas of "Kanon" and "Shannon" would be dead and they could live on as Sayo and whatever-Kanon's-original-name-is. Kumasawa has a katakana name as well (as I found out from the TIPS) so she could technically be in on it as well for the same reason, but I doubt it in this Fragment at least. This would also explain the chain of closed rooms, as if every other location were set up and locked, an already locked parlor could simply be entered via a window that was left open, and that window then locked from the inside with the appropriate victim and keys (in a similar way to what Battler points out with the second floor window that George supposedly exited from). There may also be some extra confusion from how the Red Truths are being phrased in regards to the definition of "human" perhaps not including those deemed as "furniture" by the witches too, but it's mainly the name thing in this case I'd wager. Ronove stopped Beato from trying to say that none of the deaths were "accidental" as well, so I'm also guessing that at least one of the two found something out by accident which led to their carrying all of this out. It was never stated that there were only "corpses" in the room either, only "victims", which is a much broader definition that could include something like "a victim of Kinzo's awful treatment, pretending to be dead". If Nanjo was also in on things he could easily obfuscate things and proclaim them as dead, especially since the manner of death was never confirmed beyond "not by suicide or trap" and "they were homicides" which leaves a lot of wiggle room for faking one compared to the later stake deaths. As for why I think it's the both of them, it would make the Kyrie/Rudolf/Hideyoshi murder more plausible with multiple people, and would explain why Jessica is listed as missing by the end rather than dead, as "Kanon" may have helped her escape in some form while Sayo was getting rid of Nanjo as a loose end. Hideyoshi's dead profile mentioned someone who should already be dead as well, and while that could be Kyrie surviving longer than expected as it's mentioned she wasn't staked in a vital area, it would also apply to those from the first twilight here as well. It still doesn't help much with the other episodes however, beyond me looking back on things with more hindsight later on. But yeah, very much enjoying myself so far with episode 3 being my favorite from what I've read to date, gonna enjoy getting real confused from here on out. Very interested in hearing what other music gets used in future as well, as the soundtrack in general has been amazing from the start here, at least compared to Higurashi taking a few episodes to throw in the bigger tracks.
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I mighta posted about this in the VN thread but The Willing Well quadrology of songs by Coheed and Cambria seems to have at least some thematic overlap with Umineko, at least on a superficial level - it’s all about suddenly pulling back from the drama that’s going on to show that the God of the story, the Writing Writer who’s playing with all the characters like pieces in a game, is trying to unsuccessfully work out their own trauma. The Crowing, the savior of the metafiction, is haunted by a tragedy that involves everyone in his family and almost everyone he’s ever loved being murdered by forces outside of his control that he barely understands, and the only possible response is to finally understand and embrace a mythological, mortal sin that isn’t even really his fault, that he can barely comprehend. By the end of the songs God himself has relinquished his control over the tragedy he set in motion (by committing suicide-by-cop in the “real world” somewhere in upstate New York) and it’s up to the character to understand the universe he’s stuck in to set things right. Either way that whole album is just full of absolute bangers.
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Higurashi EP1 Not showing your playtime on Loadscreen is a bold move, let's see how it plays out. Our mysterious Copman is Ooishi So we're not to tell our friends that the culprit is out there and the Blonde missing. Interesting to me how both Umineko has an antagonist that won't tell you the whole story, whereas we in this story are the ones withholding information. Steps outside the car and Kei immediately comments on the heat. The modern car is cool and mechanical. the rural Himenizawa is hot and damp Dude's trying to play off as plain clothes, I don't think so. He's old, fat, and has a car with working AC. The whole town is a shithole, and the only kid he grabs is the one who wouldn't know hes the head honcho. Dude is 98% the chief, I'd feel more accomplished by this revelation if not for the fact that the dude is drawn as the platonic ideal of a Police Chief, C'mon. This does mean some poo poo though. I already figured the Cops were in on it, but if Da Chief is coming down to silence people/ Get some leads then this poo poo Two theories, dude died and Blondie is gone, Cops don't know who did it but need to cover poo poo up while looking for him. Two, Police did him in themselves, perhaps he was getting to close to the villagers, or Blondie wanted to dislocate themselves from the conspiracy in the town. In this case he's getting out ahead of news leaking and pre intimidating the peeps whom saw him last. I totally forgot he tried to breadcrumb us into thinking Mion is the suspect Rena losing this Clue game by -1 points, I'm guessing that her biggest flaw is being able to be tricked. Mion wasn't the killer in Clue, so is she being framed in this episode  Here's we go. Rena is the culprit in CLUE, she's the killer at the entrance with the poison. poo poo did she come with us to the festival. Tomitake was part of the eating contest thing, could Rena have slipped him some poison. Then he went berserk or something and some other people leaving the festival beat him to death? Doesn't really gel with anything/  He wasn't even attacking them, maybe a revolutionary style killing. Went insane trying to kill himself and injured himself before tearing out his throat, no others involved.  gently caress you. This is a trick Ooshi is the Chief The other file confirms that Tomitake is a false name No license travels by bike Blondies name is Miyo Takano Spent time for only a week each year, spent most time in Tokyo Miyo is a Nurse. The files imply that the Cops aren't covering poo poo up, the cops are always covering poo poo up. I'm going to ignore most of that. Rena is probably a target because like Kei she's an outsider Keichi tries to deny it, there's probably just another in/out group distinction that he doesn't realize He pulls out a suspect card for Satoshi. He could be a victim that wasn't reported on maybe. Kei is feeling like poo poo walking home, probably just stress. Perhaps though he's also been poisoned Well Rena went crazy. Her crazy sprite is highly disconcerting I appreciate the Guts of coming right out and trying to get some truth, dumbest loving way you could have done it though keichi Fatman giving us the wrong number then calling us on the phone is weird. Best I can do, He knew that someone would see us talking to him. Rena did obviously. So he slipped a fake number into our pocket hoping that whomever in our group was involved with the killing, and or is suspicious of his coverup would try and get the note. When they try and call the number to figure out who he is he can triangulate and corner them.
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I'm enjoying the wild speculation. I think to date You have accused literally every character with a sprite of being a murderer. 
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A friend made this for that undoubtedly very sizeable crossover Tails Gets Trolled/Umineko fan demographic. Spoilers for Umineko game 5, Tails Gets Trolled chapter 25 page 50:
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LordMune posted:A friend made this for that undoubtedly very sizeable crossover Tails Gets Trolled/Umineko fan demographic. Spoilers for Umineko game 5, Tails Gets Trolled chapter 25 page 50: I don't understand any of this
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I finally started reading Higurashi again and I'm hoping that the reveal in Episode 6 has a few more layers of twists wrapped up in it. If the "curse" is ultimately an infectious disease I'm going to be pretty disappointed despite things seemingly adding up. Some things, like Keiichi telling the reporter how he was going to die remain unexplained, but I'm going to follow this ride to the end. e: not even an hour later and I don't trust anything. Rena as an unreliable narrator is playing out pretty well. Spiggy fucked around with this message at 03:37 on May 11, 2022 |
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Higurashi EP 1 Spoilers I don't remember where we were at all Oh yeah So we're talking about the Curse and Being Spirited away happening as a pair. So if we think of it like that, I've got two theories. Either both are dead, killed by the spirited away who then runs off, or that person is murdered first and then teh other person kills themselves in a more public manner. Green Haired Girl is Oishi's prime suspect I'm gathering, or her family I suppose. All the people spirited away could simply be leaving town, it doesn't seem like they're making an effort to search outside of Hinamizawa Houjou san was the other name on the card right, it seems the victim was from the Mystery club Stop being a dunce Keichi, Curses aren't real  Yeah that's how these things go man. You really can't go into a game like this without the "Everyone would've been happier if you hadn't done anything" I wonder if this game is going to put me in a situation where it's going to be me or Rena getting murdered. ACtually maybe she's going to gank Keichi just to try and save herself, you'd think they'd be less worried now that Photoman and Blonde Lady are dead/gone Trying to remember them playing clue. Rena and Keichi had an alliance. But he was pulled away and she lost, so right now in the real world is this Keichi getting pulled away and Okay we have confirmation, we have a Rena in the house. Oh she's already gone. But she overheard everything, now she's gonna game theory herself into taking that ax to Keichi's head. The case file on the TIPS is red, and I can't see it without imagining Jean-Pierre Leaud screaming Maoism's into my ears The police are self censoring to control panic. 1982 it starts, the report is from the chief, if I'm right and Oishi is the chief then he tried to gag all the press about these cases. He's on the Conpiracy payroll Good Job staying home, now she gonna think you full in on thinking she a problem, and she gonna split that dome The clinic sign is ,Stylish, It must be pretty new. The place is also desgined as grander than the rest of Hinamizawa. I ain't never seen a large Clinic. Also they have a spot for Busses? For what purpose, they ain't know Schoolbus in Hinamizawa. We don't see the Blonde Lady, granted she's supposed to be missing. We get a shot though, which is bizarre for a "Cold" Blondie did work this clinic, and others talk about her working with Tomitake Oh boy Ooishi shows up again, I'm guessing Rena will also see us and be conviinced she needs to murder us. So Tomitake clawed out his own throat, but the drug is hard to find. I'm thinking of de Palma's Sisters. The Sister has homicidal urges controlled by a suppressant. Perhaps we just got shot up with it and now need to take the suppresent for three days. Stop being thirsty for waitress's Ooishi, they're just trying to work Onigafuchi, can't wait to forget that name Ogre's abyss, telling you guys it's in the land, although I started replaying Pathologic and realized I was just stealing ideas from there Okay let's talk about the tale. The woman goes to cure her son, but reneges on the sacrafice it would take, and then the whole village suffers. Is someone trying to cure someone of something and willing to sacrafice the entire village, did this happen in the past, is it a sideaffect Satoko is the blonde girl who looks like Lambda right? I forgot. And then the next victim was Rika's parents, that was pretty obvious with her being so unaccustomed to doing the rituals at the fair Okay so Satoko's brother was the one who went missing. Interesting. So she has a brother, she's haughty, her family supported the dam. Rena out here smashing windows lol Looked up the disease, it doesn't seem like broken glass disease
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i’ve been giving my mom piano lessons over FaceTime calls and have had her learning Birth and Death from Higurashi and she loves it
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I apologize to Battler, Keichi is such a loving idiot. I can't believe I ever called out the battleman when this dumbfuck out here.
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Quick reminder on the Houjou san thing. Houjou is Satoko's family name.
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LordMune posted:A friend made this for that undoubtedly very sizeable crossover Tails Gets Trolled/Umineko fan demographic. Spoilers for Umineko game 5, Tails Gets Trolled chapter 25 page 50: What exactly is this referencing and how does it fit with Umineko? It's like a bad loss.jpg, except now I regret trying to understand what Tails Gets Trolled is. Is this just the internet imploding on itself?.... How does one When They Cry their search history? Asking for a friend
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Umineko fans should check out "Last Year at Marienbad". Very similar vibes.
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Colorspray posted:What exactly is this referencing and how does it fit with Umineko? It's like a bad loss.jpg, except now I regret trying to understand what Tails Gets Trolled is. please don't try to understand Gaius Marius posted:Umineko fans should check out "Last Year at Marienbad". Very similar vibes. Not sure what I expected googling this, but it wasn't a French-Italian film from 1961. Will check it out.
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Higurashi EP 1 So I lost some of what I typed, but we're back at Keichi trying to decide if his friends want to gank him after they put a needle in his Mochi. I just want to take a step back and look at Keichi Objectively. Dude is a total outsider whose barely been in town, keeps asking questions people don't want to hear, ingratiates himself with people like Tomitake and the Chief who nobody else likes. Then when poo poo starts popping he keeps meeting with the chief, lies about it, abandons his friends, and plays dumb on their intimidation. They probably think he either did it, or is working with the cops to pin it on them, and Rena probably thinks she's gotta do him in before he does her in. I do got some theory though. When he goes to the doctor he gets a shot and suppressants for three days. This is bizarre, I've seen in places like mad men where they give people "Vitamin" shots, but in 80's Japan that's crazy. And pair it with more drugs, plus the Nurse was working here. So what if, the whole Ogre thing they're always talking about is similar to the sand plague. Comes up with the Cicada's and drives people bonkers or makes them kill themselves. And the Shot that Keichi got was actually a vaccine for that, and the pills are temporary to keep it under control. Rena thought she might be a victim, she's been gone for a while, and the MC seems at risk, and Tomitake ended up dying. So perhaps they caught the whatever before they could be inoculated, that makes me wonder if I've seen anything to say that Summer came early this year. Maybe the Dam was a way to flood the whole area to get rid of the disease, but the politicians in the Maebara family convinced them to study it instead and the Bougie clinic was set up to ,weaponize or whatever the disease. In exchange they made a vaccine for it, but Rena and Keichi never got it. No because the dam fight was only 3 or 4 years ago. That's probably not enough time to get a vaccine and then spread it to the village. What if they're testing it now, with keichi, but haven gotten it it acts like the Plagas in RE4 and now all the villagers instinctively want to kill him. Oh yeah and Rena is plagued by Oyashirosama sightings at her old school, which could be similar to the hallucinations Tomitake was said to be experiencing.  She is literally telling you to work with her and not be shady, and you're like "Call me slim" Actually gently caress it I'm in. It's kill or be killed Keichi, time to hunt them down 1 by 1. Dagda should be here to encourage us  I think this might be important thematically. i was thinking it was about Tomitake and Takano with them being in some sort of partnership, it breaking down when Tomitake started to catch feelings for Hinamizawa, and her giving him the Psychopoison. But maybe it's the town itself. Imagine. The Maebara's are the Political faction, the Houjou's have money maybe, Rika's family was the religious guidance. Perhaps they all conspired with the Chief and unknown thirdparties on something right as the Dam project was collapsing. Now each is out to gently caress over the rest of the parties before the whole thing collapses because of the murders. I don't think I mentioned it but the Clinic itself was noted as having parking for buses. There's no school buses in Hinamizawa. Dammit, Keichi's family is the Maebara's I meant Mion's family. I need to write a dramatis personae How did they know you Knew? Keichi, my brother, you're in a town of maybe thousands. They talk, especially to the most powerful families in town. Someone saw you talking to the Chief, and someone saw you at the Cafe. Yeah the Framing of Umineko works a lot better, because Battler doesn't need to twist himself into knots justifying why the other thousand people in Rokkenjima are of no import. A weapong, Keichi you need to get a gun. Stop wasting time on dumb poo poo and do something intelligent I'll leave a note so the police can avenge me. But I'll make it incredibly cryptic for no loving reason. Keichi on that Mystery novel brainwaves Absolutely correct Keichi, nobody would think you writing about fearing for your life from a curse makes you look delusional, hell I write poo poo like that daily and i'm very sane.   You sound like you need to be in an asylum, hell maybe this is a Shutter Island scenario
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As always I'm enjoying your reactions but my lips are sealed due to knowledge.
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Higurashi Ep1 This convo is interesting. Rena doesn't think Satoshi got got. But the whole club realizes that Keichi was talking to the chief. He's also been talking to all the previous spirited away people I went looking through my old Screenshots and saw one with Rena being the culprit with poison in the entrance. She gave him the Dango with a needle. Perhaps she's the one who poisoned him and the clinic is a misdirection Or maybe the whole class is just trying to warn him off the chief in their own stupid way Aww poo poo Keichi is about to get isekai'd drat we could've went to a cool place instead this shithole Stop saying Naive. Keichi, You can simply leave. You can just take a train. Buses exist, you have feet! Salutations Friend group, It is me your friend Keichi. Do not mind that I'm covered in mud, do not notice my metal bat, or that I keep hiding from my friend group. I am a very normal person who does normal human things. I would not think of killing my friends, I think only of playing board games and receiving knowledge. Rika was going to stay and watch us change, she's the most acute I think. She wanted to check us for weapons. Now she's telling us not to lose it.  Why are you such a dweeb?  It's like i'm playing a game from George's POV Ha you want me to participate in fun club activities. Don't make me laugh, while you girls were out clubbing and going to festivals I was out studying the bat. They did mention him pinned like an insect, Cicada's are insects. Thematically we should be getting close to poo poo popping off if they're bringing them up  No, you're totally normal Keichi. Ahhh, we grabbed Mr.Satoshi's bat Oisihi: Maebara did you get any useful info Keichi: No, but I have really bad vibes and have become jokerpilled Battler: I'll suspect nobody no matter how much proof you have Keichi: I'll suspect anybody no matter how little sense it makes  Ryukushi taking money from Big Pickle Lol Break her fingers in the door, you drew first blood Keichi now you're open season Her sitting outside in the rain with a broken hand begging forgiveness does not portend good things. Didn't the novel open with someone saying something on forgiveness? Oh well, gonna need people to start dying soon
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Gaius Marius posted:Don't make me laugh, while you girls were out clubbing and going to festivals I was out studying the bat. I lol'd
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Gaius Marius posted:I don't understand any of this It was Erika's theory of what happened in episode 5 I am pretty sure.
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I know the anime Higurashi Gou/Sotsu is generally poorly regarded around here, and while it has a lot of flaws for sure (including a bunch of graphic violence poo poo that was apparently censored in the broadcast release that I genuinely wish I had never seen watching it on Hulu), I really appreciate how hard it ties some ultra-spoiler stuff together between Higurashi (including the secret ending) and Umineko. I still haven’t finished Umineko but (spoilers for both) on my reread I was just thinking about what a total and complete rear end in a top hat Bernkastel is and Sotsu really bridged that gap - even if it relies on some characters going obsessively and violently nuts. I mean….that’s not really THAT out of left field for the WTC series.
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On one hand it sorta bugs me that Higurashi seems to receive so much more focus/attention than Umineko, but on the other hand it'd be kind of awkward to insert additional Umineko episodes (since there's basically a continuous metanarrative across them, while Higurashi episodes are generally completely stand-alone). Higurashi is still really good, though. It's just not "unquestionably my favorite and most personally meaningful fictional media" like Umineko is. Lots of people connect with Umineko for reasons related to gender/identity (and for good reason), but in my case I feel like it fundamentally understands how people deal with suffering/hopelessness, and just generally has empathy towards people, even if those people are lovely. And I also really like the way it adds some sort of meaning/beauty to what was ultimately a pure tragedy without any sort of good ending (this is also why I hate the bizarre "Yasu is still alive as Hachijo" interpretation). Like "even if your life is hopeless and ends in tragedy, and even if you die without anyone else understanding, it still matters." And telling that sort of story in a way that is often goofy/bombastic instead of "serious and somber"...I can't think of anything else like it.
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May 28, 2022 04:45
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Umineko is actually the greatest thing ever written, I'm actually surprised I got to see the peak of human storytelling in my lifetime
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May 28, 2022 19:14
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Nyoro posted:Umineko is actually the greatest thing ever written, I'm actually surprised I got to see the peak of human storytelling in my lifetime
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May 28, 2022 19:17
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Nyoro posted:Umineko is actually the greatest thing ever written, I'm actually surprised I got to see the peak of human storytelling in my lifetime EDIT: Speaking of the relative popularity of the properties -- it is funny that Umineko is, in-universe, explicitly positioned as the kind of expandable mystery platform that Higurashi evolved into, but never really took off in that direction in real life. LordMune fucked around with this message at 19:59 on May 28, 2022 |
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Ytlaya posted:(since there's basically a continuous metanarrative across them, while Higurashi episodes are generally completely stand-alone). Chev fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 28, 2022 |
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