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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Who the gently caress is shion

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I accidentally hit something on my keyboard to turn them to the og sprites. I was loving shook man

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Apr 30, 2022

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP1

Not showing your playtime on Loadscreen is a bold move, let's see how it plays out.

Our mysterious Copman is Ooishi
So we're not to tell our friends that the culprit is out there and the Blonde missing.

Interesting to me how both Umineko has an antagonist that won't tell you the whole story, whereas we in this story are the ones withholding information.

Steps outside the car and Kei immediately comments on the heat. The modern car is cool and mechanical. the rural Himenizawa is hot and damp

Dude's trying to play off as plain clothes, I don't think so. He's old, fat, and has a car with working AC. The whole town is a shithole, and the only kid he grabs is the one who wouldn't know hes the head honcho. Dude is 98% the chief, I'd feel more accomplished by this revelation if not for the fact that the dude is drawn as the platonic ideal of a Police Chief, C'mon.
This does mean some poo poo though. I already figured the Cops were in on it, but if Da Chief is coming down to silence people/ Get some leads then this poo poo
Two theories, dude died and Blondie is gone, Cops don't know who did it but need to cover poo poo up while looking for him.
Two, Police did him in themselves, perhaps he was getting to close to the villagers, or Blondie wanted to dislocate themselves from the conspiracy in the town. In this case he's getting out ahead of news leaking and pre intimidating the peeps whom saw him last.

I totally forgot he tried to breadcrumb us into thinking Mion is the suspect

Rena losing this Clue game by -1 points, I'm guessing that her biggest flaw is being able to be tricked. Mion wasn't the killer in Clue, so is she being framed in this episode


Here's we go. Rena is the culprit in CLUE, she's the killer at the entrance with the poison. poo poo did she come with us to the festival. Tomitake was part of the eating contest thing, could Rena have slipped him some poison. Then he went berserk or something and some other people leaving the festival beat him to death? Doesn't really gel with anything/


He wasn't even attacking them, maybe a revolutionary style killing. Went insane trying to kill himself and injured himself before tearing out his throat, no others involved.


gently caress you. This is a trick Ooshi is the Chief

The other file confirms that Tomitake is a false name
No license travels by bike
Blondies name is Miyo Takano
Spent time for only a week each year, spent most time in Tokyo

Miyo is a Nurse.

The files imply that the Cops aren't covering poo poo up, the cops are always covering poo poo up. I'm going to ignore most of that.

Rena is probably a target because like Kei she's an outsider
Keichi tries to deny it, there's probably just another in/out group distinction that he doesn't realize

He pulls out a suspect card for Satoshi.
He could be a victim that wasn't reported on maybe.

Kei is feeling like poo poo walking home, probably just stress. Perhaps though he's also been poisoned

Well Rena went crazy. Her crazy sprite is highly disconcerting

I appreciate the Guts of coming right out and trying to get some truth, dumbest loving way you could have done it though keichi

Fatman giving us the wrong number then calling us on the phone is weird. Best I can do, He knew that someone would see us talking to him. Rena did obviously. So he slipped a fake number into our pocket hoping that whomever in our group was involved with the killing, and or is suspicious of his coverup would try and get the note. When they try and call the number to figure out who he is he can triangulate and corner them.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

LordMune posted:

A friend made this for that undoubtedly very sizeable crossover Tails Gets Trolled/Umineko fan demographic. Spoilers for Umineko game 5, Tails Gets Trolled chapter 25 page 50:



I don't understand any of this

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP 1 Spoilers


I don't remember where we were at all

Oh yeah So we're talking about the Curse and Being Spirited away happening as a pair. So if we think of it like that, I've got two theories. Either both are dead, killed by the spirited away who then runs off, or that person is murdered first and then teh other person kills themselves in a more public manner.

Green Haired Girl is Oishi's prime suspect I'm gathering, or her family I suppose. All the people spirited away could simply be leaving town, it doesn't seem like they're making an effort to search outside of Hinamizawa
Houjou san was the other name on the card right, it seems the victim was from the Mystery club

Stop being a dunce Keichi, Curses aren't real


Yeah that's how these things go man. You really can't go into a game like this without the "Everyone would've been happier if you hadn't done anything"

I wonder if this game is going to put me in a situation where it's going to be me or Rena getting murdered. ACtually maybe she's going to gank Keichi just to try and save herself, you'd think they'd be less worried now that Photoman and Blonde Lady are dead/gone
Trying to remember them playing clue. Rena and Keichi had an alliance. But he was pulled away and she lost, so right now in the real world is this Keichi getting pulled away and

Okay we have confirmation, we have a Rena in the house.
Oh she's already gone. But she overheard everything, now she's gonna game theory herself into taking that ax to Keichi's head.

The case file on the TIPS is red, and I can't see it without imagining Jean-Pierre Leaud screaming Maoism's into my ears
The police are self censoring to control panic. 1982 it starts, the report is from the chief, if I'm right and Oishi is the chief then he tried to gag all the press about these cases. He's on the Conpiracy payroll
Good Job staying home, now she gonna think you full in on thinking she a problem, and she gonna split that dome

The clinic sign is ,Stylish, It must be pretty new. The place is also desgined as grander than the rest of Hinamizawa. I ain't never seen a large Clinic. Also they have a spot for Busses? For what purpose, they ain't know Schoolbus in Hinamizawa. We don't see the Blonde Lady, granted she's supposed to be missing. We get a shot though, which is bizarre for a "Cold"
Blondie did work this clinic, and others talk about her working with Tomitake

Oh boy Ooishi shows up again, I'm guessing Rena will also see us and be conviinced she needs to murder us.
So Tomitake clawed out his own throat, but the drug is hard to find. I'm thinking of de Palma's Sisters. The Sister has homicidal urges controlled by a suppressant. Perhaps we just got shot up with it and now need to take the suppresent for three days.

Stop being thirsty for waitress's Ooishi, they're just trying to work
Onigafuchi, can't wait to forget that name
Ogre's abyss, telling you guys it's in the land, although I started replaying Pathologic and realized I was just stealing ideas from there
Okay let's talk about the tale. The woman goes to cure her son, but reneges on the sacrafice it would take, and then the whole village suffers. Is someone trying to cure someone of something and willing to sacrafice the entire village, did this happen in the past, is it a sideaffect
Satoko is the blonde girl who looks like Lambda right? I forgot. And then the next victim was Rika's parents, that was pretty obvious with her being so unaccustomed to doing the rituals at the fair
Okay so Satoko's brother was the one who went missing. Interesting. So she has a brother, she's haughty, her family supported the dam.
Rena out here smashing windows lol
Looked up the disease, it doesn't seem like broken glass disease

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I apologize to Battler, Keichi is such a loving idiot. I can't believe I ever called out the battleman when this dumbfuck out here.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Umineko fans should check out "Last Year at Marienbad". Very similar vibes.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP 1
So I lost some of what I typed, but we're back at Keichi trying to decide if his friends want to gank him after they put a needle in his Mochi.

I just want to take a step back and look at Keichi Objectively. Dude is a total outsider whose barely been in town, keeps asking questions people don't want to hear, ingratiates himself with people like Tomitake and the Chief who nobody else likes. Then when poo poo starts popping he keeps meeting with the chief, lies about it, abandons his friends, and plays dumb on their intimidation. They probably think he either did it, or is working with the cops to pin it on them, and Rena probably thinks she's gotta do him in before he does her in.

I do got some theory though. When he goes to the doctor he gets a shot and suppressants for three days. This is bizarre, I've seen in places like mad men where they give people "Vitamin" shots, but in 80's Japan that's crazy. And pair it with more drugs, plus the Nurse was working here. So what if, the whole Ogre thing they're always talking about is similar to the sand plague. Comes up with the Cicada's and drives people bonkers or makes them kill themselves. And the Shot that Keichi got was actually a vaccine for that, and the pills are temporary to keep it under control. Rena thought she might be a victim, she's been gone for a while, and the MC seems at risk, and Tomitake ended up dying. So perhaps they caught the whatever before they could be inoculated, that makes me wonder if I've seen anything to say that Summer came early this year. Maybe the Dam was a way to flood the whole area to get rid of the disease, but the politicians in the Maebara family convinced them to study it instead and the Bougie clinic was set up to ,weaponize or whatever the disease. In exchange they made a vaccine for it, but Rena and Keichi never got it. No because the dam fight was only 3 or 4 years ago. That's probably not enough time to get a vaccine and then spread it to the village. What if they're testing it now, with keichi, but haven gotten it it acts like the Plagas in RE4 and now all the villagers instinctively want to kill him.

Oh yeah and Rena is plagued by Oyashirosama sightings at her old school, which could be similar to the hallucinations Tomitake was said to be experiencing.



She is literally telling you to work with her and not be shady, and you're like "Call me slim"

Actually gently caress it I'm in. It's kill or be killed Keichi, time to hunt them down 1 by 1.

Dagda should be here to encourage us


I think this might be important thematically. i was thinking it was about Tomitake and Takano with them being in some sort of partnership, it breaking down when Tomitake started to catch feelings for Hinamizawa, and her giving him the Psychopoison. But maybe it's the town itself. Imagine. The Maebara's are the Political faction, the Houjou's have money maybe, Rika's family was the religious guidance. Perhaps they all conspired with the Chief and unknown thirdparties on something right as the Dam project was collapsing. Now each is out to gently caress over the rest of the parties before the whole thing collapses because of the murders.

I don't think I mentioned it but the Clinic itself was noted as having parking for buses. There's no school buses in Hinamizawa.

Dammit, Keichi's family is the Maebara's I meant Mion's family. I need to write a dramatis personae

How did they know you Knew? Keichi, my brother, you're in a town of maybe thousands. They talk, especially to the most powerful families in town. Someone saw you talking to the Chief, and someone saw you at the Cafe.

Yeah the Framing of Umineko works a lot better, because Battler doesn't need to twist himself into knots justifying why the other thousand people in Rokkenjima are of no import.

A weapong, Keichi you need to get a gun.

Stop wasting time on dumb poo poo and do something intelligent

I'll leave a note so the police can avenge me. But I'll make it incredibly cryptic for no loving reason. Keichi on that Mystery novel brainwaves

Absolutely correct Keichi, nobody would think you writing about fearing for your life from a curse makes you look delusional, hell I write poo poo like that daily and i'm very sane.




You sound like you need to be in an asylum, hell maybe this is a Shutter Island scenario






Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi Ep1



This convo is interesting. Rena doesn't think Satoshi got got. But the whole club realizes that Keichi was talking to the chief. He's also been talking to all the previous spirited away people

I went looking through my old Screenshots and saw one with Rena being the culprit with poison in the entrance. She gave him the Dango with a needle. Perhaps she's the one who poisoned him and the clinic is a misdirection

Or maybe the whole class is just trying to warn him off the chief in their own stupid way

Aww poo poo Keichi is about to get isekai'd
drat we could've went to a cool place instead this shithole
Stop saying Naive.

Keichi, You can simply leave. You can just take a train. Buses exist, you have feet!

Salutations Friend group, It is me your friend Keichi. Do not mind that I'm covered in mud, do not notice my metal bat, or that I keep hiding from my friend group. I am a very normal person who does normal human things. I would not think of killing my friends, I think only of playing board games and receiving knowledge.

Rika was going to stay and watch us change, she's the most acute I think. She wanted to check us for weapons. Now she's telling us not to lose it.


Why are you such a dweeb?


It's like i'm playing a game from George's POV

Ha you want me to participate in fun club activities. Don't make me laugh, while you girls were out clubbing and going to festivals I was out studying the bat.

They did mention him pinned like an insect, Cicada's are insects. Thematically we should be getting close to poo poo popping off if they're bringing them up


No, you're totally normal Keichi.
Ahhh, we grabbed Mr.Satoshi's bat

Oisihi: Maebara did you get any useful info
Keichi: No, but I have really bad vibes and have become jokerpilled

Battler: I'll suspect nobody no matter how much proof you have
Keichi: I'll suspect anybody no matter how little sense it makes


Ryukushi taking money from Big Pickle

Lol Break her fingers in the door, you drew first blood Keichi now you're open season

Her sitting outside in the rain with a broken hand begging forgiveness does not portend good things. Didn't the novel open with someone saying something on forgiveness?

Oh well, gonna need people to start dying soon







Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nyoro posted:

Umineko is actually the greatest thing ever written, I'm actually surprised I got to see the peak of human storytelling in my lifetime

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Umineko 2 should be the Scream 2 of the franchise if you know what I'm saying

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I bet Umi.EP7 Lion would've liked to have unlimited Will points.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi Ep 1 END



the TIPS are leaning heavy into the Multiple personality angle, if we follow this garden path I think it leads us this way. Rena is unstable, she has multiple personality disorder, she's trying to off us, this is the Reina personality. What I think is the real facts is. Reina is a way for Rena to deal with some form of abuse she's suffering, as the TIPS suggest, she's trying to figure out why we're acting insane, and poo poo's gonna pop off. As much as I love de Palma's work I don't think Ryukushi is going to pull a Sister's on us.

The TIPS about the food mart is pure paranoia. Just like the shadow on Keichi's back that was totally there right until he turned around. He's certain that Rena was watching him but he's just making poo poo up. She coulda been there, but Keichi is also the new dude and he's making a scene in the grocer's likely the old ladies are gossiping about it and Rena coulda been shooting Pool with Fast Eddie on the other side of town and still heard.

Back to the game and I'm already done with Keichi's poo poo. Dude's living the cocaine finale of Goodfellas but without the good camera work or coke. Just the paranoia.
His Uniform is covered in Mud. Sand Plague?
Fun Fact; the Soundtrack for this game sucks poo poo so far, So I've been listening to my own poo poo. And Mozart's Lacrimosa just came on. Very fitting if the lad dies.

Ryukushi please get to the loving point, I get it, we get it
Mion: "Stop swinging a bat like a crazy person"
Keichi: "I've not violated any non aggression pacts we've signed nor infringed upon you're rights in the marketplace of ideas, now begone woman"
Keichi is the Libertarian hero I didn't want nor needed.

Mion Confirms that she's the one who stuck a needle into the Dango, I'd thought it might've just been a mistake by Rena who was flustered doing needlework while trying to wrap them, a dumb thing to do but she is an idiot. Mion saves her and also proves how loving insane and out of control Keichi has gotten. One could think the Chief is in on all this nonsense trying and drive the lad crazy, but I don't think so. Dude seems more like he got a real ax to grind and this is incidental.

Don't make girls cry dumbass, easiest tip for a happy life

Keichi you're trying to get Cicada's to tell you what's happening, You are insane, go off yourself so we can move on to EP2

Rena is literally telling you she's your ally, she wants to discuss the killings, she doesn't want you to end up like Satoshi. Keichi you dumb motherfucker open your loving ears for a goddamn second and listen, I mean actually listen. I do not want to be stuck with your stupid rear end for seven more episodes, either start listening or die and give your role to someone who didn't get a frontal lobotomy before hitting the VN scene.

Cutting from Rena holding an Axe to exposition about Rena attacking people with a bat is called killing your tension, poor job Ryukushi. It was mentioned that Mion's relatives were in the Government perhaps they helped kill the investigation in exchange for Rena coming back home, for what purpose I know not.

I think we can get something going with the information Oishi is dropping though. Ryukushi plays a lot with the idea of information that's TRUE but out of context. So let's re-contextualize and synthesize. Rena likes to find displaced things and find a "Home" for them, she's newly back to Hinamizawa, She detests lies, believes in Oyashirosama's curse, and attacked some boys with a bat. Now what if her preponderance for collection and finding homes is because she feels she has none. The Psychiatrcy report says she had her mom attending, and then she left the room. Scenario. Rena's dad promises that he'll never leave her or her mother and then get's divorced, she develops a complex about lies, perhaps she wanted to leave hinamizawa and thinks the divorce is her fault as many children do, this is expressed in her belief that she's crossed Oyashirosama. Then one of her friends makes and insensitive comment or lies to her and she goes apeshit on the group, rather than being gagged the gang feels embarassed once they realize what they did and that's why they don't talk. Rena feeling guilty that she left Hinamizawa and, in her mind broke up her family, decides to go back and live with her dad, whose likely neglectful of her. Dealing with her own poo poo she feels responsible for whatever happened to Satoshi. She determines not to make the same mistake with Keichi but then he starts running the same plays, plus goes loving insane. Likely she's suffered some form of physical abuse in the past, her apologizing while getting her fingers broken and then covering for him the next day is a huge tell. She brings the Axe, perhaps to defend herself, but maybe she did just find something cute. Keichi thinks it's insane to be carrying around an axe, yet she did the same three four days ago without him blinking an eye.

I should've clicked forward before typing all that cause it's getting confirmed and I coulda saved myself some typing

Keichi you dumb gently caress, the bat has nothing to do with anything it's just a common item for a teenager to have, I'm so over your dumb rear end. You only ask the dumbest loving questions. or come to nonsense conclusions that don't make sense to nobody.

Keichi feels he's running a scripted plot, I;m gonna keep that in mind. Trying to figure out the Meta angle of this piece.

Keichi homie, my stupid idiot eyes on this journey, you're now experincing the paranoia that the Photo man felt, just accept your death.

I punched some guy and then they came after me this proves they were always after me - Keichi Maebara summarized
This poo poo is beyond parody

Rena saved you and nursed you back to health? Are you still so Naive keichi kun, she's lured you right into her trap, having a body at the dam might raise suspicion. Now she can poison you in the house, she's already called a doctor to pronounce you dead!!

And now Mion is here to help murder you. Sad you'd fall for such an obvious ploy

I'm guessing Satoko or Rika is the Baseball team manager and that's whom they called.

Breaking this down is easy. The syringe isn't real nor is most of what Mion is saying. Keichi's brain has gone back into full on delusions but is still trying to process what happened to him. It's connecting the "Attacks" that Tomitake suffered with his own delusions and linking it back to the dose he got at the clinic. Mion has probably got a feather or something innocuous but Keichi is to paranoid to realize.

Rena, Keichi doesn't have to play dumb, he is dumb
Mion grabs his chest too, that isn't where you inject things.

Lmao good job hero
Heroically killing your friends for no reason.
Why stop now little homie, go kill Rika and Satoko too
gently caress it kill Oishi and your parents

Lmfao I want to see Oishi try and investigate poo poo based on your note.
You murdered two girls in your room, named them as conspiring with a dead man and a secret cabal of managers working out of a white van. No wonder the mf wants to retire.

I wonder if that syringe is actually real, It shouldn't be. Why would either of those two have it unless they're like diabetic or something.

Keichi is on levels of cope I didn't think were possible

This Mahjong scene is probably important, but I don't understand Mahjong at all.

Let's all just take a second and think how much better Beatrice's reveal was then the ending of this game.

we've got a lot to unpack with the end here so let's get to it.

The Bisected note that got re-hidden seems to be pointing towards a very late reveal that the Chief was in on it all. That is misdirection I believe. Ryukushi calls the five minutes to the phone booth to stick that number in your head, but that was local PD. Oishi would've been in the city, I think like 30 minutes away. And we already know that Mion and Rena called over a doctor and a manager. If we assume the "Manager" is either Satoko or Rika, they manage the baseball team or maybe the gamesclub, or perhaps even their parents are some managerial figure. We know Rika is a Priestess, but we've got very little info of Satoko other than her being Haughty and her brother being missing. But if there's some deeper conspiracy. Mion's family is the Political faction, Rika's the Religious, perhaps Satoko's is the Commercial, she might own most of the shops in town this also might be how Rena and Mion knew Keichi ate at the diner with Oishi. Interestingly Rena's families career doesn't seem to have been mentioned, but Keichi's family would in some way be the Cultural center of the town, with both Keichi and his father capturing what the town is like in it's moments, in painting form or however Keichi is relating this tale to us. At any rate, given the episodes fascination with Needles, I'm ninety percent sure that Keichi was drugged into his Paranoia, and the idea of Mion and Rena injecting him to kill him is a feint by Ryukushi. If he was poisoned then it must've happened either in the Clinic or with the poisoned rice ball Rena delivered. The game of clue they were playing said something to the effect of Rena being the killer, whom poisoned someone in the entrance way, which points to her. But she didn't make the Rice balls it seems, Mion did, and Mion was obviously just loving around and seems to feel pretty torn up about Keichi's insanity. But, the Rena killer could still be playing out with her being unwitting and Mion as well if someone in Mion's family pulled something to try and bump off Keichi once they realized he was talking to the Cops. Actually I suppose Oishi coulda poisoned him when they ate at the restaurant too. Most likely though is that the Doctor whom Keichi seems to have seen at the door was actually there, and he did a quick Cleanup job Mike style. The fact they cut off only the drug part of the message is the most telling. If Satoko or Rika are in on it then maybe they would've done that too, but if Oishii is trying to cover things up it would be easier for him to just take the whole note. The Hospital is the most suspicious. They not only gave him a Jab for a cold, the Nurse went missing, but she seemed to be in a relationshop with Tomitake, except Tomitake is supposed to only be in the town for a few weeks at a time. So either he's actually in the town more, or She's out of the town most of the time. The Hospital is also noticeably new and large compared to it's surroundings and has bus terminals, for a small town to have a Large clinic with bus service even though no busses seem to run through Hinamizawa says that their probably moving large groups of people in and out of their hospital, probably under cover of night. So I'm in the camp the doctor took it, and Oishi might be an actual good guy but he's barking up the wrong trees. I'm also not sure the Syringe on the back of the confession is even real. They say their was much tape on the letter, but the letter also would've been hung up three times, twice by Keichi and once by The Doctor/Manager. So the tape could just be from the lack of tackiness on each re tape. The drug seems to conflate ones memory, reality, and paranoia. Rena was probably not carrying an ax on the way to talking with Keichi, but him having seen it the days before put the image in his mind, same as the people who "attacked" him. Oishi telling Keichi about the Rena Reina thing also probably put the whole idea of split personality in his head that he ended up manifesting with his idea that her and then Mion could be possessed. The idea of clawin out his own throat might've been adopted from hearing about it from the description of tomitake's death and not from a desire to do so as well.

Last thing is to take a look at the characters, given how the novel seems it looks like each episode will be focusing on one of the Heroines, and then maybe some Answer episodes. This novel was clearly pretty Rena focused with an assist from Mion and I expect the others to follow suit.

Rena: Pretty open and shut I think, outsider, probably in love with Keichi, not acting shady at all in this EP and wanted to help. Given what the Text says about her circumstances with her parents I'm sure she's a child of divorce, blames herself for it, probably lives with her dad and is suffering from some form of abuse. She outright says multiple times that Keichi and her are natural ally's and that she's trying to help him, and Keichi's verbal and later physical abuse of her is pretty heinous of him especially given the character she is. As for the Reina thing, and the Oyashirosama curse. I think that's more of her own mental guilt and suffering expressing themselves. I don't think she's infected like Keichi was, or that she's got an actual split personality. On a personal level, a she's loving annoying cardcaptor looking mf

Mion: The closest we have to a secondary Heroine. I think she's just a big fan of the Town and promoting and defending it, and Keichi mistakes this for malice. She seems to also have a thing for Keichi, and most of her actions are just her trying to badly flirt with him or defend the town. Even not bringing up Satoshi which is probably really hard on all of them and the fact that Keichi thinks she should owe him an explanation for everything right away after he transferred is crazy, especially after she rolled out the red carpet to make him feel welcome in town. I do think her family is in to some poo poo. I don't think I've ever seen a show, not written by Sorkin, where politicians are the good guys and bringing it up is pretty implicit that they're going to be in on something. Personally, she's my favorite character and the only one I'd actually hang with in town. Maybe her and Oishii, Oishii definitely knows all the best restaurants.

Rika: A very odd one, her and Satoko fall way off in screen time after the festival. But she unlike Satoko gets one real scene after that where she tells Keichi to keep the Bat of Satoshi. There's a lot of ways to unpack that. Keichi was never in danger from his friends, if she knew that then why tell him to do some OFF cosplay? But, if she did think he was in danger, why would she help him in such an ineffectual way that only ended with her friends getting killed? I think, the comment could be innocuous, perhaps she's is the "Manager" and it's of the baseball team, she see's him practicing and thinks of it as him wanting to get into it, or perhaps she feels that he has earned the right to carry Satoshi's bat. Why she would be the one giving it away is dumb but what are you going to do. Or it's not innocuous and she's trying to get Keichi killed, her parents are also victims but perhaps of her own machinations, or perhaps she was feeling the same level of delusions and thought Keichi was in danger and wanted him to be able to defend themselves. None of these feel good to me, and I can't suss out why she would say it. If this is a Timeloop game, then she's the first choice of mine for the person who realizes it that all Loop games need. Not only does she look just like Bernkastel, and the game opened with a letter from Bern. She's also the shrine maiden which must have some significance, and she says odd things that seem aimed at the reader more than Keichi, her motives and means remain unknown. Personally, I'm intrigued by her, but mostly because of Umineko, she's not done much of anything this route.

Satoko: I know nothing about her. I thought she was poor girl trying to be rich, now I think she's a rich girl acting spoiled. Her family might own some shops? Her brother is missing but Keichi is an idiot so he never even talks with her about it. She's fond of setting traps and setting them as such that she's many steps ahead which means she could be on some next next level poo poo with the conspiracy. But we know nothing about her really. Personally, She's also annoying

Oishii, I did think he was in on it, but I think he might either be on the outside, or only partially in on it, Having helped with the old coverups, but is now trying to get to the truth before he retires. Him destroying evidence in Keichi's home is a misdirection. Him being so conspicious with Keichi probably was more of a signal to the Club that he was watching them hoping to send a message, I don't think he was actually trying to pin his hopes on such a dumb dumb child.

Tomitake and Nurse: They're into something but I'm not sure what. He was likely killed when he tried to flip, hell Oishii probably pounced on him like he did Keichi. Another theory I thought of, if he was carrying around a camera and was dating the Nurse, perhaps he was a fed or PI doing recon on whatever is going on in the town, he went with the Nurse to try and pump information out of her, but she gave him the crazy juice instead. She is probably alive then and just skipped town, that's a theory that everyone Spirited away is actually the perpetrator and the victims were poisoned.

Keichi Maebara: Total idiot. I find it actively tiring to play as him in a way I never did with Battler even in Battler's most incompetent or lecherous moments. Keichi is an rear end in a top hat pretty actively to Rena even though she's got a very obvious and sweet crush on him. Battler was perverted, but that was mostly bluster to cover for his uncomfortability in meeting his family again, he was very okay with making himself out to be the "Bad Guy" as long as it made everyone happy, broke the ice, and cut the tension. Maebara meanwhile seems to find pleasure in humiliating his friends, and is quite angry, quick to judge, and unsympathetic to them. It's probably his Arc in the story to learn how not to be a dick, but right now the dude is a total prick with zero redeeming features. And the fact that the group seems to faun over him almost seems to be bad writing. Rena is in a similar boat to him and has a crush so that makes sense, and Mion seems also smitten and probably wants him to feel at home in her village she prides over. But Satoko and Rika have no such need to stroke Keichi's ego. I hope that when I fire up the next EP it turns out that it takes place the next year with a new lad, or I;m playing as Rena or something other than being stuck with this moron for 200 more hours.

Well, I got the All Cast Review left, which I assume is like the Tea Parties? Guess we'll find out















Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

All Cast Review EP1 Higurashi

That's certainly a bare bones version of the tea parties. I think there is some stuff to be gained. I think Kei is on the money with thinking that it's a curse and people. As Ooishi says, gods are created by people, so someone created this curse for some reason. And they have some goal in mind, they also need Kei gone from the picture. Two, they comment on the nature of VN's being grasping at dead ends until you find the true route, perhaps this is a commentary on the medium the same way Umineko was for Mystery Novels. Keichi and Hinamizawa itself is going to have to keep repeating events over and over until they find their own ending. Two Kei is called out on not having a sprite, perhaps Ryukushi is playing with expectations here. Like Ever17 or something, not sure on that, but on that note every single sprite participated in the after party, except the Nurse. Gonna keep that in my pocket.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP2




Tomita has the same glasses as Tomitake, Am I looking at some sort of prequel situation here.

This whole game situation here, don't know what to make of all of it. Maebara playing monopoly, perhaps the failing economics of the town forced them to join the conspiracy. Odd too that Mion has a part time job, her uncle runs a store. I thought her family was politically connected, although I guess being head of a village isn't actually all that impressive.

kei threatens to kill Mion before she can kill him, this is called foreshadowing. I'm guessing this is her episode.
Ryukushi drops that Mion's uncle runs a ramen shop in the TIP, that would be how she knew that Kei and the Fatman were in cahoots last episode.

And Mion threatened to Turn Rika out if she didn't pay up, okay that's weird. This Episode is way more sexual in really weird ways compared to the last.

Mion's complaining about being sleepy, Kei was sleepy before he came down with Crazy sickness perhaps Mion has caughten it as well.

What the gently caress is this. We have a teacher now, and with a sprite. Where were you last episode.
Ryukushi wants to teach me sympathy, how on the nose
Mion and Kei both think of Melon shaved ice, I knew that they had similar thought patterns.
Whales aren't fish Rena, they're sea birds

Keichi you gotta wear the outfit with confidence. If you aren't confident nothing will look good on you, keep your head high and rock that poo poo all the way home.

Hell yeah time to get some Mickie D's
Smoking or Nonsmoking miss those days

Oh cool cool dad, I love when my father brings me to the restaurant where my fellow students are dressed up as sexy maids. Nothing says Father son Bonding like the realization that your dad wants to beat off to girls young enough to be your sister.

Also Kei, that's Mion don't dumb at me
Lol Gundam reference, bright slap your bitch rear end dad, keichi
I come here for the outfits, yeah buddy tell it to the judge

Hey Keichi maybe don't be a pile of human garbage for five minutes, Mion is working and the second you realize you have the smallest amount of power of her you immediatly try and humiliate her. Go report to the trash pile with Rena

And this is Shion instead. Now that I;m actually playing with voices I probably should've noticed that. It's odd that she seems so, demure, maybe. I'd have thought a sister of Mions would be the "perfect" type and that desire was what drove mion so far into trying to out compete everyone all the time. She does mention being a Younger sister to Mion too which makes some things make sense. You'd ask why Shion wouldn't be in school with the others but given how politcally connected the Sonozaki family is, and with Mion being older they keep her in town to ingratiate herself with the populace, just like how she does helping out at all the stores, hosting events, taking in new comers to town like Rena and Kei. Meanwhile you ship the one not taking the Head title to a better school in an actual city and hope she can make it as a politician or cop or some other powerful position.

Keichi she's obviously real, some people are bad with spoiler tags, and shes also on the cover.
How long has Keichi been in Hinamizawa, I can see why nobody would talk about Satoko's brother but a living sister seems like it would slip out unless there was some bad blood between the two


I'm guessing Satoko's brother then. Rika's parents wouldn't be some funeral. No that doesn't make sense he's technically lost. Then it would probably be one of the other Watanagashi victims. And Mion is actually the one living with her Grandmother in the village, I figured she'd be in the head's household and shion on the outside


I wonder if this is the work of Mr.Tomitake
I do not understand why I need to be reading about a dude trying to get uspskirts of girls working at a Maid Cafe. Unless there's a picture of Shion there that proves she was there and Mion somewhere else. I can't really understand why you'd include the TIP otherwise

Yeah no Chie, Japanese curry is imbued with the Culture of India as bout as much as The Cheesy Gordita Crunch is imbued with the culture of Mexico

Please no, please dear god don't give me one of these loving Curry cooking bullshit rural lame joke filled mother loving godamn I hated Persona 4 so much, the loving camping trip is the least funny arc in any series in any game and the "Joke" about women being bad cooks. Jesus christ save me.

Seems like Rika and Satoko are a year younger than Rena, Keichi, and Mion
It's not that hard to peel a potato little homie
Mion Knows Marksmanship, Radio Operations, and piloting a Helicopter apparently

What if anything else besides this was happening? Imagine that
Mion casually carrying raw meat all day in case she needs to make curry
Keichi, don't be dumb, go run to a convinence store and grab some pre made poo poo. Otherwise you are hosed.

If we take the Club Activities as represenative of what's happening in the wider world. Satoko setting things up for everyone to fail while Rika distracts everyone does not bode well.
Wait, Rena's last name is Ryuuga, isn't that the name of the dude from the article about the Maid Cafe. I really hope her dad isn't that kind of pervert.

Wow that whole plot was awful, never write something that bad again Ryukushi, please and thank you

If Rena has Reina and Mion has Shion I wonder if all the characters have Doubles. Satoshi could be Keichi's so that would only leave Rika and Satoko. Unless there's are just Lambda and Bern

Kiechi mentions the needle again, He never found it, and he wrote a note about not being able to do so, I wonder if it was never actually there. I think that Mion confirmed she put it in there, but that could be some nonsense. And seeing the people attack him and Rena with the Ax, I think when you the paranoia disease you start bringing in other memories and things from your subconcious into your present. So the Needle in the Rice ball would've been him subconciously thinking about the needle from the clinic. Not sure about that one though, it could've been a joke. Nobody would expect you to just swallow a needle.

I actually wonder if that wasn't Mion pretending to be Shion, delivering the Bento. If Shion lives in the city, that's a Twenty minute bike ride to Keichi's house. So she would've had to get a call from Mion, even though they don't talk supposedly. Then made the Bento, rode twenty minutes to his house that she's never been to, then back to the city to work a shift. Naw man. Mion is bad at expressing her feelings so she probably put on some different clothes and dropped off the bento for him pretending to be Shion. The tip off is she thought the Candy was for her that Keichi left for Shion.

I went and checked the Upskirt guys tip and the pen name was Ryuu so it could be Rena's dad. Ew, but it could explain why her mom left him.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I'm incredibly with you on the Too many Character problem. Some scenes would've really benefited from just not having them there, or giving them a single line. The Wedding also really suffered from having to have everyone do their own thing. If there's one thing Ryuukushi could learn, it some brevity.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

MonsterEnvy posted:

Satoko and Rika are three years younger than Rena, Mion, and Keichii. And Mion is the oldest of the three.

drat I wouldn't have guessed that much younger. I'm guessing Keichii is 15 or so then, he's at least written as younger than Battler.



Higurashi EP 2

Him saying he could get outran by any of his classmates is not a good thing to be saying in a murder mystery game.


This is some on the nose Foreshadowing.

poo poo someone swiped Keichi's Key.
Did anyone bump into him? I don't think so. He ran after Rika on the Hill so he could have dropped it.
I just ran through it all in my head thinking of who could've lifted it and why, then the game just tells me Kei left it at the Maid Cafe and just didn't realize for days? Okay then

I can't wait for Mion to, fully justified, murder Keichi for his constant put downs and comparisons to her sister.

Just kick someones Bike, Why? Why are you such an rear end in a top hat all the time Keichi

I hope these bikers beat his rear end. He deserves it
She's going to be super good at kung Fu buddy
Or not? I don't like this level of Loyalty the Hinamizawaian's have for Shion. Adding Elementary schoolers it's less like they're the village leader and more like they're Feudal lords. Actually I suppose they might technically be.

Oh Jesus what is wrong with Oishi's Remake Sprite? His voice too, it's not deep enough

And Shion's outfit is totally different in the Console and Remake sprites. Really weird choices
Why does she know which Division he's in?


Wtf man, Hand's aren't like that
And why does this man know who I am, is this all a setup?
She pinched the keys days ago, set the meeting up with her sister, then paid the Bikers to make a scene. They coulda came after him even if he wasn't an rear end in a top hat and kicked their bike. The Cops showing up was out of the plan, and that's why she's pissed at Oishii, and Oishii is glad there was no Injuries. He was watching Mion before the Watanagashi festival so It would make sense to stake out her sis as well.

The Remake sprites are closest to the OG, but Console actually looks like something a Teen would wear. Remake looks like a secretary


Good job Keichi you're catching on
Why is she doing this though?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3zf9q8mbWs

Calling my shot. Shion is setting him up to be in debt to her, then going to pull a situation later where it's either Her or Her sister to be killed and tries and use this to get him to off Mion

She's not even working now if she's giving orders to the employee's

Keichi bud, I don't care about your difficulties navigating your relation to women as a Teen.
Why do you just assume Shion is Frail because she acts more feminine? C'mon bud
She did stand up to all those bikers unlike your sorry rear end

This ain't subtle my dude, your a rube if your falling for this.
Oh, she drops that Hinamizawa has almost been destroyed before. Besides the Dam incident. I wonder what her angle is. Is she trying to bump off her sister and take the Headship of the Family.
I didn't know Japan had Imminent Domain laws

Is Shion just one of those Girls who want's their sister's Man, Cause she's laying it on thick.

The TIPS about the Bikers is interesting. They claim to come from far away, but don't know the plate numbers of their bikes nor are they able to identify the brand when Oishii brings it up. Is that what Shion used to buy them off?
Or maybe they just stole them lol

Keichi you numbskull you don't invite your pseudogirlfriend with you on a date with your out of town girl.

Shion is manipulating the hell out of him, but I cannot truck with all these women who're throwing themselves at Keichi. Dude has zero redeeming qualities.

Rena what the gently caress. Mion phoned you crying, you tell Keichi, then gently caress off with the spinning to avoid divulging details. I'm guessing she's upset cause Keichi is a dickhead and she thinks Shion is trying to get her claws in him.


Oh it was on purpose, but it wasn't the Nerd making the call



Well I managed to Hack the game files and Find Keichi's Sprite, suits him perfectly.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Hifurashi EP 2



I did some thinking about the setting. Umineko goes into misplacing cause and effect, what if Higurashi is doing the same. Perhaps it's not the fact that people have been getting killed since the Dam incident. Maybe, we're looking at a Wicker Man scenario, and people have been getting sacraficed since ancient times. But the fact that journalist's moved in with the dam project is what actually brought attention to it. Rika would cover it up being the spiritual guide of the Town. Mion would being the progeny of the Head Family, Rena because she doesn't want to be targeted, and Satoko...For some reason.

LMAO at Keichi getting laid out by some nerd.
You are such a bitch Keichi, you lose your loving fight then call your posse to jump the dude. Absolute loving piece of poo poo. You disgust me, I;m not kidding. This is gross. Fight your own battles you filth.


I'm glad you understand what you are.

I feel bad for Mion. From her POV, Keichi is in a relationship with her sister now, lied about it, lied about going to the dessert thing, and then called up all his friends to join him with her at the Cafe. Just unrestrained psychological warfare against her totally unintentionally.

Satoko comes out swinging wanting to defend Mion's Little Sister, She must have some real anguish about losing her brother.


I hate nerds so much

If we break down this Cafe scene and all the Club members roles we get some interesting things. Rena "Marks" the victims but is otherwise non participatory. Satoko poisons them, and Rika feigns innocence while she guides them out of their "Paradise". Also worth noting that the Cafe Ticket says if you leave you leave. With how Hinamizawa's citizens seem to band against the Outside, perhaps anyone who leaves is also marked as an outsider. Not able to "Return" in the truest sense. Rena did though, but she also seems to believe she's cursed or being guided maybe by Oyashiro sama. IS she participating in these killings as a way to "Return" to the village?

Also worth noting all of that was set up by someone, whose A. Pretending to be someone she's not B. Acting like she didn't plan all this C. Seems to be setting all this up either to hurt her sister, or get Keichi for some unspecified reason.
Keichi's Role in all of this is the most confusing to me. Battler had a ton of history with all the Rokkenjimaites. Keichi seemingly has no history with anyone in town. I assume this is the factor that makes him so important to the story, as most of Higurashi seems to be the inverse of Umineko, or rather the inverse of that statment. If we take the game club as being the Town in Microcosm then Keichi himself would be like the Dam, something New from the Outside that could cleanse the town of it's history? I'm unconfident of the last part, how would Keichi do that, other than killing everyone. But the Dam was used to organize the power structure of the Village seemingly, Does Shion see Keichi as her version of the Dam, something she can leverage to take control of the club if not Mion's whole life. I'm really thinking I'm gonna see a Clone Shoot scene here this chapter.

And then Rika get's lost leaving the Cafe, we've got 2 possibilities. She actually got lost and this is somehow symbolic. Or she's planning some poo poo in the Town. It seems Shion was absent for a second there, did they meet at the employee entrance, and then for what purpose.
Okay so she guided them all the way to the Police, It's a toss off but she could be working with Fatman. Now Rika's leaving early, she's up to something this Chapter

Gotta watch Satoko, she's slippery. She made a todo about Rika leaving, then slipped off with her without anyone making a comment. 1. we still no nothing about her, but the way she's talking it's almost like her and Rika are living together. 2. I forgot what my second point was going to be

Shion leaves as soon as Rena starts talking to her. It seems to me that she knows that Keichi thinks that She's Mion, and doesn't want Rena to break that illusion.

It's okay Keichi you disgust me too


Another flat out misdirection once she said something a little too real
And the second I see the Toy Store I realize what she's about to pull. Everyone else in the Games club is playing checkers and Shion out here playing 6D chess

Or wait, are we actually looking at a Sister Swap, cause if so I've got some puzzling to do. We definely wern't interacting with just Mion. It would've been crazy Mion probably didn't set up those bikers for sure.

Oh you want to come into the toy store? Why? Why? What's in the store, WHO IS IN THE STORE? I see through you Shion
I fuckin' knew it. Never doubted myself for a second. Shion sees through Mion, Keichi, and Rena. loving playing 6D Shogi at this point. Oh man Keichi you hosed up bud, you hosed up BAD.
This wacky rear end music while Shion totally tramples on Mions heart, destroys her dreams, and steals everything she ever wanted.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP 2 Spoilers


So I had a thoughts

One what if the evil town thing is a misdirection, and two what if Photographysan is more than he seems.
One of the Bonds has Bond introduce himself as a birdwatcher, but obviously he's a spy, what if Tomitake is a Spy, but not for the Baddies but either working for someone in the Federal government or for Ooishi. Him getting killed last Ep brought the heat from Oishii because he had another murder And a lost asset. He could be with the Nurse to get some inside info on the clinic, then she fakes the Ritual killing/Disappearance on him to cover her own tracks.
We'll have to see how things play out now that Shion, someone whose more willing to divy up details is on the scene.


Protip if you don't want to be suspect don't say poo poo like this.

Satoshi was the Nephew of the person who died last year, if we take the "Sacrifices" as the people who wanted the dead gone, then what exactly was his angle, and why did he think he was going to be targeted like our MC did right before he died.


Strange to think we're two regnal periods past this game.

MC gets the feeling that Shion doesn't like Hinamizawa which seems true to me. Her casual but continual cruelty and seeming exile from the town make it seem like something happened, and I'd bet it's Mion taking her place as family head, that caused her to want to tear the village apart.


Good, gently caress "Detectives"

Takano seeing herself as an observer is not gucci at all.

Tomitake says everything Takano says is Fiction, I'm tucking that away for the META theory
Takano starts talking about Keichi being a good listener and her like telling stories, I'm sticking that in the pocket too.
"Plenty of interesting Fairy tales and Legends about Hinamizawa..." C;mon son, don't let the cat out the bag before I do Takano san.

Keichi you dick, Mion loves you, stop being a dork and treat her well.
The TIPS for this seesion are weird, the third notebook scrap it seems like a journalist was trying to break into the festival, to find something used to kill people in the swamp.

Wait is Oishi actually not the Chief, they said the section head was coming in. He doesn't seem like a plainclothes




Okay Nani the gently caress is this? I'm straight tripped up. The text seems like the same as we saw from the intro with Bernkastel. If she is whom it seems she is, then it seems she's aware poo poo is about to go down because the whole fake switcheroo that Shion pulled on Mion. Why now bring it up though?

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rockman Reserve posted:

Also, jeez, it's interesting looking back at Umineko 1 (spoilers for up to 6) and realizing how often the narrative explicitly lies to you right from the start. Suuuuuure, Kinzo is screaming into the typhoon, right. Where the gently caress is my red text at.

九羽鳥庵 is the Kanji. Early Umineko is brutal when you know.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Running the Patch? I had some trouble with it before mistiming sound effects but nothing like that, never run the game in auto before though.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rockman Reserve posted:

it's pretty hard to identify a body, especially in those days, without a head attached to it. So how do we have a corpse that is identifiable as Shannon with at least half of her face still left show up?

The same way Magic happens.

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jul 15, 2022

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP2



They all head to the festival and Rika immediately goes to talk with the Mayor, very Sus

It seems Mion's Grandma made Rika's Gown for the event, obviously Mion took the needle from her for her maybe joke

I find the idea that Rika is Keichi's brother compelling in an intellectual sense, but I can't see how it would work in practice. And unless there's a time travel thing going on he obviously can't be her dad either, and isn't Satoko the one who should be having brother issues? Rika would be having Daddy issues I guess tho, perhaps Satoko sees Keichi as a replacement for her brother and Rika subs Keichi out for her father.


Well she's gonna end up locked in a basement


I don't know what this could mean, that theirs some sort of replacement thing going on. Cloning facility under the town, there aren't time loops but new series of clones being put out. Shion is not Mions twin but another Mion class Clone that was released into this iteration of the simulation to change some variable.

From another angle The Games club basically fucks over the Takoyaki man being unable to convince people of his business, meanwhile Keichi is able to Sophist his way into making it seem like a successful auteruship to make lovely Takoyaki. So if the stand is the village of hinamizawa then Keichi is the new blood needed to revitalize the community even as it undergoes one of it's oldest rites.
He does nothing to actually improve the Takoyaki, only make it more appealing. Perhaps his role is in PR for the village somehow

Okay now the festival goers are just stalking us and doing what the main cast does, maybe they're under some sort of suggestion to follow the MC's. Really we see almost nothing of them through the game, and the few times they matter they seem to be phantasmal.

I can't wait for EP8 where Keichi accidentally runs off stage and starts seeing the props everywhere.

Keichi I don't think Shion is taking you to see Rika's dance better.
drat Keichi you're worse with Women then I was at your age, just chill out bro. Or actually don't because you probably like Mion more and loving around with her sister is usually not a great way to advance a relationship

And instead you decide to cockblock Tomitake, c'mon man
This Tool shack is probably the command center, Takano is a doctor assigned to watch the subjects but is trying to usurp the project by using the distraction of the festival to break in. She tried the same last time but was forced to abort after Tomitake was killed. Now she's cloned a second Mion called Shion to guide Keichi here.

Don't be a loving nerd Keichi, go see the secret ritual stuff
With Takano explaining the tale about the Demon's becoming part of the village I've got a few thoughts. Saying they're fifty percent of the village obviously leads us towards thinking that the Reina personality of Rena is the Demon and that Shion is something of a demon form of Mion. I Think what what Ryukushi wants is for us to connect the demon blood and the Reina personality together and use that as an explanation for last episode. So my theory with that is that someone or something is activating the demon blood and causing people to go crazy, but we can be 99% certain that the crazy one in EP1 was Keichii who isn't a member of the village and shouldn't have any latent Demon blood. So A. The whole demon blood thing is a misdirection or B. Keichi is somehow related to the village, and that would make some sense. His dad is just some artist I guess he could've heard about the village when it was getting in the news about the dam and kept it in his pocket for when he needed to move somewhere rural for a project, but he could also be a descendant of the village without Keichi knowing. It doesn't seem like him and his parents even talk that often given how little they're in the actual story.
The Spirited away being to eat the humans sounds like BS to me though, they can't even bother putting Octopus in the takoyaki and they're making elaborate rituals to eat people, I think not.

Keichi has a real bad habit of get swept up into things too quickly


! He's real!

You're really gonna just take everything Takano says straight huh, not even push back a little. Just because the village might have done poo poo like that doesn't mean they still do.
The method of grilling someone in Rome I've never heard of, the thing it resembles is the Brazen Bull which is a torture method supposedly used in the Grecian colonies of Sicily where someone would be locked inside a bronze statue of a bull with a fire lit underneath, and the victim would be roasted alive. It seems like one of those stories that's more about showing how lovely the previous rulers were then something that actually happened. The idea of it comes back with the persecution of early Christians in Rome too. I don't think Rome is really famous for it's executions excepting that one big one. They tended to favor garroting or crucifixion. I've also never heard of the Roman's gutting people like that. The only Romans I think of when I hear intestines is Cato the Younger who cut open his stomach and pulled out his intestines to make sure he'd die before being pardoned by Caesar. And Mark Anthony who stabbed himself in the guts after losing Actium.
The whole Witch hunt thing started in the Early Modern Era not in the "Dark Ages" Keichi needs to pick up a book

I love Keichi's realization that Japan might also have had it's own dark ages, like homie Japan was hundreds of years of internecine conflict. Yeah poo poo got bad for a minutes
Like there's such a mish mash though. They cook and eat people, but they also throw them in the swamp, and they also gang up on outsiders they need to get their mythology straight.

Oh no, Shions got the crazy. She's hearing poo poo just like my boy Keichi did.
And Tomitake also said he'd heard the banging earlier in the scene. I think they both got it. If that's right maybe our victims this time are Shion and Tomitake.
Don't fall for her bullshit Keichi, she isn't kidding she's Insane now.

Satoko ended up being missing, that's ominous. And Keichi my dude you don't have to lie to Rika about seeing her dance, just say you got lost trying to find everybody. C'mon son
You're the worst liar I've ever seen Keichi. Here I'll fix your poo poo. You tell them you lost them in the crowd. Went up on the hill to try and get a view to get your bearings, and ran into Shion up there but she left. Bam you covered all your bases and lied minimally.

They end up burning the body in a drum, supposedly as a message. I'd think it was Tomitake's body, but if they have dental records of them in Hinamizawa then it must be someone else. Maybe Shion, the Nurse seems possible, but she wouldn't have dental records in town cause I think she's relatively new to town. They're Wisdom teeth too so it's probably not one of the younger kids. so Shion, Mion or Rena seem like the most likely victims.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nephthys posted:

I will preface this by saying that I have also only read up to episode 6 other than some random unimportant scenes and don't know any of the solutions to the mysteries.

5) While I doubt Krauss is as stupid as Lambdadelta made him when she's the Game Master, I do think he is definitely much less intelligent than basically every other adult on the island. But the whole scene is pretty suspect considering the Kinzo revelation and how in cahoots he and his wife actually are.

6) I think that Kyrie and Rudolf were helping the murderers in the first episode. There is a term that comes up a lot about 'Kinzo's Roulette' being what decides who is killed. My personal theory is that what this really refers to is that the murders are decided by which of the family members the murderers can persuade to ally with them and carry out the murders. Based on the circumstances the murderers then enact one of several plans to carry out the murders before betraying the ones that allied with them. So Rudolf said that to sell the idea that he'd be killed having been recruited to help the murderer previously. If I'm right, the only ones actually killed are Krauss, Gohda and Rosa with Shannon, Kyrie and Rudolf then carrying out the remaining murders.

8) Maria seems to have a learning disability or at least she is a sort of idiot savant. When she is interested in something she is remarkably sharp and knowledgeable. When she isn't she barely pays attention. IIRC she can also read Latin which is insane for a kid her age.

9) IIRC again, only certain people approach and verify the identities and condition of the corpses. I think Eva actually points out that the injuries could have been faked since no-one could really see them clearly except Nanjo.

Krauss has a vision, when people accuse him of unintelligence they're mistaken. Rather he's thinking so far in the future, to the thousand of intra and extrasolar theme parks the Ushiromiya family will found under his guidance. His family getting murdered by a witch is mere child's play compared to the dream he is working to manifest

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Ep6 is the one where it switches back

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Reading a mystery novel in poor translation seems like an exercise in frustration.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rockman Reserve posted:


Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, EVA, Delanor, All Of The Goats - I touched on Ronove above, he's just Magic Genji. Gaap and Virgilia are both massive blank spots in my head.

Virgilla you should probably rewatch her introduction into the gameboard, there's very little mystery in who she "Really" is. Or use purelogic. Whom serves the same purpose of guidance, that she does in the story.


Rockman Reserve posted:


But it doesn't matter, witches aren't real, none of these characters are real, their significance is entirely contextual.
You won't get anywhere with that thinking


Rockman Reserve posted:

Kyrie - Rudolf's coworker-turned-wife, mother to Angie (I think???) She's from the Sumadera family, which we seem to know very little about other than it's sketchy as hell, and she's a sister (possibly actual twin, iirc?) to the evil lady that is keeping tabs on/hunting Angie in the world of the future. As far as I can tell, she - like most of the other adults - is probably also motivated by the Ushiromiya family money, but also seems to actually care for Rudolf and her family (?)

From what I remember of EP4, her sister is explicitly younger, but Kyrie loving off and forcing her to become the head of the family is what makes her so salty

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

It's Beatrice

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nyoro posted:

episode 5 is the best episode by far

For real

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

It took you eight?!

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Sure you guys have heard but Ryukushi is writing the newest Silent Hill

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I saw somewhere that dude just needs to get paid cause the WTC ain't bringing in the dosh

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nyoro posted:

Yeah when you examine Umineko back and try to just boil it down as simply as you can,


(-)WHOLE UMINEKO SERIES spoilers ahead DO NOT CLICK(-)


It's actually pretty cute. Sayo sends a love letter to Battler. Battler is a little late, but he sends one back. the end!


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Summarizing the whole game in one box.

Full umineko spoilers

Reminder, George destroyed the letters before battler saw them


Also lmao at Rockman he's gonna be so mad when he realizes

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nyoro posted:

Did he, though? The manga doesn't really lend evidence for that theory I think?

You can see George pull out all the letters and give Sayo the empty envelope and there's no real opportunity for him to do any sort of trickery from what we saw

He also freely admits, much later, that he was jealous of Battler and Sayo's relationship when they were younger and seems to, at least, regret being a weird incel then so I don't think George would actually do something like that or had he, he'd probably admit that to her too


I mean, I still don't like him, but that's the vibe I got



I think Battler is just incompetent.

Uminekos alternative message: don't fall in love with a himbo

I've never read the manga, but the placement of where he talks about the letters seems suspicious otherwise because why would they even mention it if it wasn't important. More importantly we're taught to view motive in Umineko instead of just what we see on screen by Umineko. George is incredibly jealous of Battler and feels stifled by his own inability to talk to girls, by destroying the letters he's effectively denying Battler his own advantage over George and dragging him down to his level, while also in his mind opening up his own opportunity for a relationship with Sayo.

Secondly, While Battleman had a lot of poo poo going on with the death of his mom , his Dad's remarriage to his mom, and moving to his moms household. He's at his core a pretty caring dude, I don't see him not writing back no matter how busy he was with life. Beatrice still judges him for this Sin despite understanding logically that it shouldn't be that big a deal. But consider that Kinzo and Battler are drawn up and compared constantly in the novel. Kinzo himself was also put into a situation outside his own control by his family so the same thing happening to Battler as an echo makes sense to me. And having Beato not actually have anyone to rightfully blame just like Kinzo can't blame anyone for Beatrice Castleagoni's death or Ange can't blame Eva for her own treatment. Everyone is projecting blame onto one person when in reality their tragedy is a culmination of the suffering of many people, and the real crime is their inability to forgive and move on.

Tldr. gently caress George

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nyoro posted:

I JUST WANT HER TO BE HAPPY

Don't we all

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I think the solutions rather obvious

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Higurashi EP II Spoilers Ahead

Well let's recap cause it's been a minute

Reminders that I've played Umineko and been spoiled on one plot point from the game, the parasite disease thing that makes people crazy

Characters first.
Rena - At first I'd assumed that her going wild at her out of town school was some sort of side effect of the latent levels of crazy disease in the town like in Pathologic. But thinking about it now I think it might actually just be that some of the more "Crazy" aspects are just Keichi projecting under the influence of the disease and her actual "Freak out" was just a symptom of her family being torn apart. The only reason she isn't acting out back in Hinamizawa is that she got a surrogate family group in the Game club

Mion - Seemingly the heir of the Sonozaki family, to the chagrin of her twin sister she's the leader of the game club and a sort of town representative of the village to the outsiders. She also seems to know a bit more than she lets on and is pretty distrustful of Adult outsiders like the nurse and the Photoman. They also mentioned that her family is one of three power players in town. I assume hers is the economic one with it functioning much like a yakuza family mixed with a town chief. Rika would be the religious family, then I wondered about Satoko but I'm unsure

Satoko - I know little about her. Her bro died last year and both her need to create traps and her attachment to Keichi seem to be a reaction to that. She doesn't want to become a victim so she learnt to defend herself even if she's smol. And Keichi just reminds her of her bro, something that comes up heavily in EP1. It also seemed implied that her family is gone and she lives with Rika, presumably at the Temple complex?

Rika - I think she knows more than she let's on. Her parents were some of the victims of the supposed curse. Seems the most in touch with the religious customs of the village.

The Chief - Detective that wants to solve the case. Odd dude, it seems he wants to get to the bottom of it before he retires, but it's heavily implied that the Cops helped cover up the poo poo that went down at the dam. Maybe a guilty conscience

Photoman - Supposed bird watcher. Seems to actually be investigating. Possibly journalist possibly some sort of cop or military. Dating the Nurse, maybe pumping for information perhaps is an accomplice of hers.

The Nurse - Seems to be the one who blasted crazy drugs into Keichi first EP. Clinic is mentioned as being huge for the town and having a bus port despite the Town barely being on maps. Went missing last EP.

Shion - Massive troll, lives in the adjacent city, seems to want either Mion's life or her position at least. Need to find a tell to tell them apart.

I can only vaguely remember it but I had some sort of working theory over the Meta aspect that was something like that old Nickelodeon show. Basically the Dam actually burst and all the characters had to flee. They come back later and start telling ghost stories and playing games. The Game scenes are just them actually playing the games, and then as the night goes on the creepy stories start. Each person gets one and each keeps trying to one up the last one while also incorporating the old details of the town. So Keichi if he's the first EP tells a story that incorporates a lot of his anxiety about moving to town and making friends in a strange town. Then Mion is next and incorporates a twin Sister that may or may not exist and prey's on the anxiety about the town legends she knows Keichi has.

Anyways let's get back to it.

We're being questioned, I think Photoman and Nurse caught a case of being dead and us shrine invaders are the suspects
Who is this Kumagi and why does he get a sprite
Nurse was found dead and so was Photoman. Nurse had her corpse burnt, that's a faked death. Tomitake was a suicide, presumbly like Keichi's in EP1
Lmao Shion Gaslighting Keichi that Oyashiro is gonna get them both. That's gotta be her plan, rile up Keichi until he's insane enough to try and kill Shion before he goes. Then switch places with Mion. Bam, she got revenge on her sister and her sister's boyfriend in one swipe.

The scrapbook notes finally give me confirmation of the familial triumvirate that's running the village. It seems I was right about Rika and Mion's roles, but the last family is the mayoral one and seems to be named Kimiyoshi. I thought maybe that was Satoko's family, but I think she has a differing last name.
Mion's Mom is named Oryou and is basically a dictator I guess.

Late Night Phone Call TIP
Kimiyoshi's son answers the phone. It seems the mayor is missing and Shion is pretending to be Mion, she doesn't put on her Grandma and deflects. Is Shion trying to tear apart the whole village not just the Sonozaki's?

We get back in class and get some knowledge dropped about Satoko's bro. He got disappeared supposedly but he also seems to have taken out all his cash and hopped a train. Did he get the crazy virus, but then get paranoid enough to actually leave and in turn leave Satoko with abandonment issues?

We confront Rika about the Bad poo poo we did the other day. She's covered in weeds so she was out somewhere. I;m guessing Shion told her what happened, but is probably framing Mion. Or maybe the Mion that showed up is Shion. Idk rn

I don't know if it's intentional or if my brand of thinking is overly analytical but I really have no idea who is Shion or Mion in any given scene.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rockman Reserve posted:

Continued Umineko 6 reread thoughts, currently up to where Zepar and Furfur run the second twilight while Battler is catatonic and stuck in his logic error:

-I finished reading Higurashi while I was doing Umineko the first time through so this is a bit muddied in my head - does Umineko fall into first-person often, or is it really just when Battler is trapped in the guest room? It stuck out a lot this time around but I can't remember if it should.
-When Erika first corners him in the room, before she reveals that she loving killed everyone, Battler's first response is to have Kyrie come and save him....but the text refers to her as "his mother's piece"....?!?!
-Kumasawa being Virgilia who used to be Beatrice raises some weird questions in my mind about what the gently caress was going on in Kuwadorian - but it seemed like whoever lived or was being held there died or left in '68?
About the conclusion:
-Even knowing how Battler resolves the logic error, I have no idea what I'm supposed to take away from it. No matter how I try to frame it with the tricks of the narrative, it seems to get cut off with red truth. In particular, the truths of "Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. It has already been said in red that all people can only use their own names. Therefore, the names Erika, Battler, and Kanon can only be used by those people." and "Battler and Kanon are different people." It's....gotta be the difference between "people" and "humans" that seems to pop up. But even so, I don't know how that squares with the "three bodies" comment. I'm hoping that by rereading it already knowing the conclusion I can reach some truth, especially with my (slightly) better (hopefully) understanding of "love" in the game. But still, ugh.
-Even if it is some grand trick about 'people', the whole sequence seems really weird since Battler reached the truth of the witch's game at the end of Episode 5. If he really knows everything and the solution hinges on some understanding of the cast involved that's not immediately apparent, it seems like he never should have been cornered by the logic error in the first place. Except Episode 6 really leans on stuff like retroactive moves and declarations to emphasize that the game board doesn't operate like objective reality - so does that mean that the revelation at the end that frees him from the guest room is something he just used in this particular game, that can't be applied (or can't be applied in the same way) to the previous games? Is it something new that he's either discovered or created/written himself that retroactively works within the framework of the other games? It just seems like the way it's presented, "Battler finally understands everything" is not actually a binary yes/no question.

Consider if that it might not be that Battler can't escape using that method, but Won't

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rockman Reserve posted:

somebody stop me my mouse cursor keeps edging over towards Episode 7

https://youtu.be/gjEmwvsIhuE

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

My kids, and my kid's kids, and their children too will still be able to log onto somethingawful.com and check the Umineko thread for Rockmans latest update to almost starting EP.7

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