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ya op i made it through the obama years but was still certain that the crimes of this guilty land would be purged away with voting
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I was definitely fooled, especially during her election and right afterwards, once she failed to campaign with any kind of passion for Bernie though it became clear she was much more invested in her own career and ambitions then any kind of serious attempt at political change or even bog standard social democratic reforms
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Ytlaya posted:It's true, though the reason why the horny chuds focus more on AOC is kind of obvious. I mean that's entirely what the job of the CPC whip is- to figure out who can vote their conscience and who has to help the establishment pass their poo poo. It's Ilhan Omar's primary job in congress. It brings me no pleasure to report this.
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Antonymous posted:also, did AOC do something wrong? I thought you leftists liked her As a canuck with mittens pinned to his coat year round I'm always surprised by the level of animus directed towards her and the squad and now Bernie apparently I don't really follow your guys' politics too closely fwiw but I'm hoping there's something more to it than being disappointed by your own excitement. Dunno how big the Senate or Congress are or how they work but wouldn't lefties (real or fake) need more than a dozen ppl to influence or go around all the centrists and rightists? Anyways good luck Yankees rip lol
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May 6, 2022 21:53
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Blood Boils posted:As a canuck with mittens pinned to his coat year round I'm always surprised by the level of animus directed towards her and the squad and now Bernie apparently on the one hand, she's only arguably slightly better than the pack of drooling reactionary psychopaths in congress. On the other goons must always stake out the maximalist position and defend it to the death
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May 6, 2022 22:27
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chips go in, cards go down what the hell kind of game you playing here op
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rabble rabble posted:chips go in, cards go down I was referring to doritos
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Blood Boils posted:As a canuck with mittens pinned to his coat year round I'm always surprised by the level of animus directed towards her and the squad and now Bernie apparently She's become tom mulcair lol
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Mameluke posted:She's become tom mulcair lol She kicked Omar out of the party for criticizing Israel? drat, that's hosed up
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:i'll always remember Amber from Chapo on her election This is overly generous IMO. I'm quite sure AOC is very happy with the way things currently are and never needed to be "broken." Even if she was upset that Pelosi yelled at her because she wasn't allowed to make a pointless vote to maintain her image, she accomplished what she set out to - becoming a high profile politician and the envy of her fellow strivers. I think that Amber is a bit too attached to a certain understanding of the US/Western left that is, kind of ironically, a bit idealistic. She's basically an extremely high-paid academic who hung out with some miners in the UK, and I think that she wants to believe that those things matter somehow. I respect the other Chapos for at least realizing that there's no political relevance to what they do and acknowledging that none of those things many American leftists thought mattered post-2016 were ever going to have worked and that there's no real answer to look to.
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May 7, 2022 02:04
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Blood Boils posted:As a canuck with mittens pinned to his coat year round I'm always surprised by the level of animus directed towards her and the squad and now Bernie apparently Enough has happened since the relevant elections that what was once a movement built on the belief that things could get better via our electoral politics is now a discouraged, angry mass of people who no longer believe in the democratic or republican legitimacy of the government.
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Blood Boils posted:As a canuck with mittens pinned to his coat year round I'm always surprised by the level of animus directed towards her and the squad and now Bernie apparently Part of it is things like the capitol police funding vote from a while back, where "The Squad" had enough votes to prevent it from passing, but split their votes such that it barely passed. The situation basically proved that they aren't actually willing to conflict with Democratic leadership, even when they have the power to do so (and that they coordinate specifically to allow some of them to maintain the illusion that they hold certain left-wing views - they had to specifically decide who was "allowed" to vote against the bill while still allowing it to pass). As a result, there's functionally no difference between AOC and any other Democrat. Electing more people similar to her will accomplish nothing. People basically foolishly misread people like "The Squad" as being different from past Democratic politicians. It's not so much "people bring disappointed for expecting too much" as "people being mad/disapponted that they were fooled into thinking the US left was growing in influence." It's embarrassing to realize that someone who interned for Ted Kennedy and created a start-up right out of college fooled you into thinking she was just a normal person.
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R. Guyovich posted:no and i got raked over the coals for being right you're the man for being years ahead of the curb I've always said nice things about your posting to the kids in my class
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A Russian troll farm posted:Good. I look forward to the perfidious "social democrat" (fascist) alexandria cortez beating me to death with her big honkers. I will die with the internationale on my lips. Does she have the internationale tattood to her tits? Is that what you're saying? That's messed up.
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You can tell the squad are frauds. If they weren't then this simple strategy presents itself: 1) leak bikini pics of AOC, let the lib media complain about objectification of women, let that marinate for a cycle. 2) she combines calls for universalist policies with some risque memes. "The woke left needs to realize it's literally ok to be white  and stop using reverse racism to oppose M4A and infrastructure. Black lives matter BECAUSE all lives matter. That's what MLK believed."3) AOC goes on a talk show circuit about the bikini pics, drops her conservative dress on Tucker Carlson to show she's wearing the same bikini, says "honestly? It's like feminists are the real sexists, you know? It's ok for women to own their femininity." She lets a crew member sign her chest on air. 4) the Sqaud scours the Hooters of the Southwest for more cute latinas to stack the courts and run for office with the express goal of taking over the Democrats, returning to the Wagner Act, enshrining into law FDR's economic Bill of Rights Their unwillingness to do this common sense politicking shows a fundamental unseriousness
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Blood Boils posted:Dunno how big the Senate or Congress are or how they work but wouldn't lefties (real or fake) need more than a dozen ppl to influence or go around all the centrists and rightists? No, they need leverage in order to accomplish things, which just requires they have more people than the democrats' margins, which they have.
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If corbyn had been as hot as aoc the British empire would be back in charge by now
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30.5 Days posted:No, they need leverage in order to accomplish things, which just requires they have more people than the democrats' margins, which they have. Worth noting too that this isn't just something that people are yelling at AOC to do, it was literally AOC's own idea that she advocated for right up until the moment the squad actually had the margins to do something.
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Ytlaya posted:This is overly generous IMO. I'm quite sure AOC is very happy with the way things currently are and never needed to be "broken." Even if she was upset that Pelosi yelled at her because she wasn't allowed to make a pointless vote to maintain her image, she accomplished what she set out to - becoming a high profile politician and the envy of her fellow strivers. I'd argue that Amber's point is more useful for materialist analysis than trying to figure out what AOCs motivations are or were. She could be grown in a CIA cloning lab or she could still genuinely believe herself to be a socialist, and it doesn't matter because, at least under current conditions, the political system is designed to break her down
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Did AOC ever actually work at a bar or was that an op. Or, i suppose theres a third option that she did work at a bar but the bar itself was an op.
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StashAugustine posted:I'd argue that Amber's point is more useful for materialist analysis than trying to figure out what AOCs motivations are or were. She could be grown in a CIA cloning lab or she could still genuinely believe herself to be a socialist, and it doesn't matter because, at least under current conditions, the political system is designed to break her down I disagree, because looking at someone’s history and motivations is important to figuring out if they should be trusted. read another way, the political system is designed to let people like her in
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StashAugustine posted:I'd argue that Amber's point is more useful for materialist analysis than trying to figure out what AOCs motivations are or were. She could be grown in a CIA cloning lab or she could still genuinely believe herself to be a socialist, and it doesn't matter because, at least under current conditions, the political system is designed to break her down So wasn't this happened to someone like Sawant?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:So wasn't this happened to someone like Sawant? I think it helps tremendously that she’s not a Democrat and has never tried to be. at the same time there’s only so much you can do as a city councilor so idk if *they* care enough and I suspect it doesn’t matter that much as a congressperson in *their* eyes. the main really stupid thing she did was vote to confirm the police chief because she was black, with the qualification that the community wanted it. this was years ago and the drat trots spilled a lot of ink over it and what I got out of it was she’s sorry and it wouldn’t happen again. but I should emphasize here it’s not her acting alone; pretty much every big decision goes through socialist alternative’s democratic centralist process, which shuts down a lot of bullshit too at the expense of other poo poo. and sometimes people vote wrong, like with this police chief. mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 19:29 on May 7, 2022 |
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Sawant's outfit is pretty cool, imo. what she does, and the interactions i've had with socialist alternative people, generally seems legit? Chatted with their group at trans pride 2019 and they seemed alright. also got heckled by a middle age white guy in a truck which feels like an endorsement somehow
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The thing about Sawant is that everyone she needs to work with is a Dem who are clearly doing the squad thing of whipping just enough right wing votes to stop things from happening. There's no way of knowing if Sawant is actually separate from that system or just the last name on the whip list unless the fundamental makeup of the city council changes. She's done some nice stuff but so has aoc. People are mad at aoc because she doesn't take opportunities to use power when they come along, and Sawant has arguably never had one.
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the deal with AOC was I got fooled by Obama as a young man and as they say "fool me, can't get fooled again"
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projecthalaxy posted:Did AOC ever actually work at a bar or was that an op. Or, i suppose theres a third option that she did work at a bar but the bar itself was an op. She did but she also worked for a CIA cutout and Ted Kennedy
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Ytlaya posted:This is overly generous IMO. I'm quite sure AOC is very happy with the way things currently are and never needed to be "broken." Even if she was upset that Pelosi yelled at her because she wasn't allowed to make a pointless vote to maintain her image, she accomplished what she set out to - becoming a high profile politician and the envy of her fellow strivers. The thing that gets me about Chapo is how very typical they are of this thing I got trouble putting into words, exactly. It's like this instinctual drive to avoid real Marxism, because that looks like Stalin, Mao, and Xi, messy populism that does not really feel the need to uphold urbanized intellectual cultural sensibilities, so they end up being a kinda turbo liberal. Iirc Christman said Stalin was the one guy who had the power of a Great Man of History, and in a bad way, which isn't even accurate as anyone who genuinely knows how the Soviet state machine actually worked can tell you, even with the power Stalin had officially and with his cult of personality. They're too irony poisoned to genuinely love American people, which I think permanently precludes them from the populist mindset a Marxist needs for genuine mass outreach beyond the typical misfits who get drawn to leftism as a way to own the chuds. I can't imagine Christman, maybe Frost, writing Lenin's "National Pride of the great Russians" or "Letter to the American Worker," because they got thoroughly wokelib understandings of American culture, something purely one sided and not dialectical. Maybe they are too close to DSA Democrats in NYC to genuinely break from Cold War consensus. In any case, all that adds up to them being incapable of understanding how to actually reach the people in the Midwestern and Deep Southern rural and suburban areas who got the most revolutionary potential. The job of American Marxists now is to reconnect with the international movement, the one that upholds and looks up to the best parts of American culture and history (would any American leftist org add George Washington as a posthumous member, the way Mao said he would have been a good Communist and welcomed into the CCP?), to build up a populist energy by linking up with the actually existing progressive flow of our history, and Chapo type people are fundamentally incapable of doing that because it requires alienating most of what constitutes the left now in order to sincerely embrace the kinds of people who like eating at Applebee's and going to boat shows, who don't have a problem in principle with "dead white men."
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Egg Moron posted:I've always said nice things about your posting to the kids in my class i hope this is a joke
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Antonymous posted:speaking of, Gonna need to see some feet pics before I can make a decision on her or AOC
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yeah I don’t think she’s literally cia but I do think she’s the exact kind of liberal striver that Warren or Harris are, it’s just that the American machinery has decayed so much that it can’t even deliver its promised future to all of its golden children anymore, so when she interns with kennedy but then winds up bartending anyways her socialism came as a knee jerk “well what the gently caress” reaction if America was still as prosperous now as it was in the 90s she would’ve turned out to just be another klobuchar, as evidenced by her doing so as soon as her life became comfortable but in my defense I never counted on her accomplishing great things, the squad were always just going to be four votes out of 435 and would mostly just serve as social media influencers for young lefties Pirate Jet has issued a correction as of 12:14 on May 8, 2022 |
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Masculine Thrust posted:3) AOC goes on a talk show circuit about the bikini pics, drops her conservative dress on Tucker Carlson to show she's wearing the same bikini, says "honestly? It's like feminists are the real sexists, you know? It's ok for women to own their femininity." She lets a crew member sign her chest on air. wait, so some random boom operator or something signs his name on her boobs? usually celebrities sign their name on their fans' boobs, not vice versa
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Masculine Thrust posted:The thing that gets me about Chapo is how very typical they are of this thing I got trouble putting into words, exactly. It's like this instinctual drive to avoid real Marxism, because that looks like Stalin, Mao, and Xi, messy populism that does not really feel the need to uphold urbanized intellectual cultural sensibilities, so they end up being a kinda turbo liberal. Iirc Christman said Stalin was the one guy who had the power of a Great Man of History, and in a bad way, which isn't even accurate as anyone who genuinely knows how the Soviet state machine actually worked can tell you, even with the power Stalin had officially and with his cult of personality. you're attempting to fancy up a laughable "theory" from brand-building charlatans that ignores basic principles of marxism-leninism to recruit from what history has shown us is the social base of fascism. tipping your hand way too much by saying the suburbs have the most "revolutionary potential" rather than the immiserated gig and service workers who are unionizing at a rapid clip, because your fixation on an imagined hyper-patriotic white working class has blinded you to the material realities of life in the united states. the people you're obviously reading and plagiarizing from while pretending they're your original thoughts are a dead end, get out while you still can
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Masculine Thrust posted:The thing that gets me about Chapo is how very typical they are of this thing I got trouble putting into words, exactly. It's like this instinctual drive to avoid real Marxism, because that looks like Stalin, Mao, and Xi, messy populism that does not really feel the need to uphold urbanized intellectual cultural sensibilities, so they end up being a kinda turbo liberal. Iirc Christman said Stalin was the one guy who had the power of a Great Man of History, and in a bad way, which isn't even accurate as anyone who genuinely knows how the Soviet state machine actually worked can tell you, even with the power Stalin had officially and with his cult of personality. chapo trap house is a podcast OP
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Going through all my literature and replacing "lumpen" with "treatboy" to be more ideologically pure to the marxist-leninist-chapoist movement
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