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projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


If we vote for our fave, AOC, again then she will hit the large button in her office that initiates JDPON

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

do appreciate someone using the being bitter about aoc thread to talk about how no, really, more suburban failchildren will definitely be the social basis for communism

this is a level beyond masturbation, we'll call it masturbation 2

they’re also the poster going around saying “every human should have their own personal automobile” in every thread lol

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

indigi posted:

they’re also the poster going around saying “every human should have their own personal automobile” in every thread lol

How else are you going to build a strong suburban communist movement?

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Nix Panicus posted:

suburban communist movement

lol

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

i could make the excuse of catching on pretty quick but nah she absolutely Got Me

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Masculine Thrust posted:

The thing that gets me about Chapo is how very typical they are of this thing I got trouble putting into words, exactly. It's like this instinctual drive to avoid real Marxism, because that looks like Stalin, Mao, and Xi, messy populism that does not really feel the need to uphold urbanized intellectual cultural sensibilities, so they end up being a kinda turbo liberal. Iirc Christman said Stalin was the one guy who had the power of a Great Man of History, and in a bad way, which isn't even accurate as anyone who genuinely knows how the Soviet state machine actually worked can tell you, even with the power Stalin had officially and with his cult of personality.

They're too irony poisoned to genuinely love American people, which I think permanently precludes them from the populist mindset a Marxist needs for genuine mass outreach beyond the typical misfits who get drawn to leftism as a way to own the chuds. I can't imagine Christman, maybe Frost, writing Lenin's "National Pride of the great Russians" or "Letter to the American Worker," because they got thoroughly wokelib understandings of American culture, something purely one sided and not dialectical.

Maybe they are too close to DSA Democrats in NYC to genuinely break from Cold War consensus.

In any case, all that adds up to them being incapable of understanding how to actually reach the people in the Midwestern and Deep Southern rural and suburban areas who got the most revolutionary potential. The job of American Marxists now is to reconnect with the international movement, the one that upholds and looks up to the best parts of American culture and history (would any American leftist org add George Washington as a posthumous member, the way Mao said he would have been a good Communist and welcomed into the CCP?), to build up a populist energy by linking up with the actually existing progressive flow of our history, and Chapo type people are fundamentally incapable of doing that because it requires alienating most of what constitutes the left now in order to sincerely embrace the kinds of people who like eating at Applebee's and going to boat shows, who don't have a problem in principle with "dead white men."

yea!!!!’

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

R. Guyovich posted:

you're attempting to fancy up a laughable "theory" from brand-building charlatans that ignores basic principles of marxism-leninism to recruit from what history has shown us is the social base of fascism. tipping your hand way too much by saying the suburbs have the most "revolutionary potential" rather than the immiserated gig and service workers who are unionizing at a rapid clip, because your fixation on an imagined hyper-patriotic white working class has blinded you to the material realities of life in the united states. the people you're obviously reading and plagiarizing from while pretending they're your original thoughts are a dead end, get out while you still can

yes!!!!!

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
aoc kissed me once

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Smythe posted:

aoc kissed me once

I'm never washing these eyeballs again

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
me and aoc were listening to chapo and lolling and also we were in the room they were recording in and you can hear us a little in the background and she kissed me just a little peck she has a bf ofc… so don’t tell. it’s secret. she also showed me her boobs but only for a second and I didn’t get a boner because I’ve seen lots of boobs before it’s no big deal really

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
hachi machi….leftistly..

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i didn't really pay that much attention to aoc, but i had a general positive impression about her. then force the vote amply demonstrated to even the dumbest of us (incl. me) what she is.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i didn't really pay that much attention to aoc, but i had a general positive impression about her. then force the vote amply demonstrated to even the dumbest of us (incl. me) what she is.

Well not the DUMBEST, unfortunately

lol remember that account called like the queen in yellow that like has a cat pfp permanently going from Serious Radical Leftist account to blue wave voter account in three weeks due to force the vote

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
no podcaster matters

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
"force the vote" was super funny to me kuz like lots of Serious Politics Understanders were saying that it was stupid and a waste of time and such meanwhile doing "force the vote" in the UN is a well established tactic to call out bad actors. like literally spamming poo poo that u know wont pass but is obviously good and everyone knows it is a move u learn in IR 101

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
it’s stupid and a waste of time that’s why she MUST NOT do it under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

indigi posted:

it’s stupid and a waste of time that’s why she MUST NOT do it under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

Pramila Jayapal said if we did FTV it would kill our chances of having M4A but whoops turns out those chances died anyway.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

is pepsi ok posted:

Pramila Jayapal said if we did FTV it would kill our chances of having M4A but whoops turns out those chances died anyway.

this poo poo is so loving funny to me. like obviously the way to get m4a in the current system is to spam m4a votes nonstop and get everyone so pissed off that their reps are voting no over and over that they dump them. that is like, uh, the democratic process. right????????

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Yep, was fooled, then she voted to give more bombs to the Palestinians. By give them, I mean drop the bombs on their heads.

And then she cried about it.

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

Слава Україні!
There’s an infant formula shortage.

We need AOC more than ever.

:smug:

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!
she got me for way longer than I'd like to admit but I gotta cop to it. in my paltry defense I was high on hope and thought the left was building momentum but the democrats completely devoured it lol

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


indigi posted:

yeah I don’t understand why AOC gets all the horny attention Ilhan is in another league

two big reasons, op

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

Слава Україні!

fabergay egg posted:

two big reasons, op

Yup. Ilhan is technically DFL but you can rely on AOC if you’re straight up into Ds.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i didn't really pay that much attention to aoc, but i had a general positive impression about her. then force the vote amply demonstrated to even the dumbest of us (incl. me) what she is.

Is this all it is tho? Like up here leftists disagree about tactics all the time, and while heavy twitter users interpret that as evidence of cia/secret grits + tories, it seems like a massive over correction to me

I suppose with the big boost that democratic socialism got in 2016 we are due for a contraction, hopefully most people move farther left than reverting to fygm rightism

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Blood Boils posted:

Is this all it is tho? Like up here leftists disagree about tactics all the time, and while heavy twitter users interpret that as evidence of cia/secret grits + tories, it seems like a massive over correction to me

I suppose with the big boost that democratic socialism got in 2016 we are due for a contraction, hopefully most people move farther left than reverting to fygm rightism

the tactical disagreement was leftists saying "do the thing you promised to do" and AOC saying "no".

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

is pepsi ok posted:

the tactical disagreement was leftists saying "do the thing you promised to do" and AOC saying "no".
yeah, it’s a pattern. her positions were never particularly strong in the first place and she has only retreated from them

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

DSA should become demcent imo. Just my 2c. poo poo or get off the pot

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I keep trying to say the word "yes" but all that comes out is "vote"

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Blood Boils posted:

Is this all it is tho? Like up here leftists disagree about tactics all the time, and while heavy twitter users interpret that as evidence of cia/secret grits + tories, it seems like a massive over correction to me

I suppose with the big boost that democratic socialism got in 2016 we are due for a contraction, hopefully most people move farther left than reverting to fygm rightism

aoc said she would do a thing then didn't lol. if anyone massively over corrected, it is aoc

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

No

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
Whats stopping/has stopped Socialist Alternative from taking over the DSA's turf?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

War and Pieces posted:

Whats stopping/has stopped Socialist Alternative from taking over the DSA's turf?

they’re trying, there is a SA caucus in DSA and one maybe two generations of splits (eg reform and revolution caucus).

might want to check out their positions on China.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

mawarannahr posted:

they’re trying, there is a SA caucus in DSA and one maybe two generations of splits (eg reform and revolution caucus).

might want to check out their positions on China.

looks like standard DemSoc garbage to me

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

War and Pieces posted:

looks like standard DemSoc garbage to me

look up “deformed workers state” and their China website china worker dot info

animist
Aug 28, 2018
i was briefly hopeful a few years back

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

mawarannahr posted:

they’re trying, there is a SA caucus in DSA and one maybe two generations of splits (eg reform and revolution caucus).

don't worry the DSA has been prepared for this since the beginning

quote:

Members can be expelled if they are found to be in substantial disagreement with the principles or policies of the organization or if they consistently engage in undemocratic, disruptive behavior or if they are under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organization. Members facing expulsion must receive written notice of charges against them and must be given the opportunity to be heard before the NPC or a subcommittee thereof, appointed for the purpose of considering expulsion.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

is pepsi ok posted:

the tactical disagreement was leftists saying "do the thing you promised to do" and AOC saying "no".

Oh I didn't know she promised to force the vote. Did she give a reason why for the "no"? Fwiw I personally think forcing the vote should have been the play but it does also seem kinda performative and pointless without a chance to pass :shrug: still seems pretty small potatoes given youse guys' political landscape, there must be more to it.

Was it the dress? Cuz even if she didn't really truly mean it, it's a good slogan and it did seem to get a lot of attention, even in Canada


Anyways, to be more in the spirit of the thread:

Gabbard = gently caress
Omar = Marry
AOC = Kill

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


500 good dogs posted:

don't worry the DSA has been prepared for this since the beginning

hahahahaha

that owns. that really owns.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Smythe posted:

me and aoc were listening to chapo and lolling and also we were in the room they were recording in and you can hear us a little in the background and she kissed me just a little peck she has a bf ofc… so don’t tell. it’s secret. she also showed me her boobs but only for a second and I didn’t get a boner because I’ve seen lots of boobs before it’s no big deal really

..gently caress....

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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
Fwiw I personally think forcing the vote should have been the play but it does also seem kinda performative
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yes op. it is performative. they are PERFORMING FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS :milk:

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