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EvilHawk posted:I didn't think this episode was as strong as the other season openers (well gently caress nothing can beat that first episode) but even when it's not at the top of the game it's still one of the best shows on TV. WRT the private enterprise space travel thing I reckon they will have a lot of commentary on it, the way they frame the trailers are it's now a 3 way race between USA, USSR + this "Helios" company for Mars, and you'd have to have some tensions there and the obvious one is to portray them as like, cowboys who aren't caring about safety or other norms somehow. Starting the season off with a private space company having a fatal malfunction isn't a coincidence either I'd imagine, several characters commented on "private space tourism!" "space is an unrelenting bitch" etc I didn't mind the family side of it in S1, and in S2 I thought it was nice how they had them adopt a Vietnamese refugee, but jeez did it go downhill. As someone mentioned the anchors away bullshit was just pathetic. That scene of him not wanting her to go away is not necessarily a bad one but jfc that ending was pathetic. Also... I just feel they wanted Ed and Karen to be divorced and made a storyline from there. Like they had a challenging marriage in S1, kid died, season ends... then in S2 they start off all fine again, new kid, she's got a new job and a sense of purpose and belonging. And then like. no scenes? of them fighting or him ignoring her, just him admitting he wanted to be in space but wanted to be home for his family, then her saying yeah go up in space again you really want it, then she goes and fucks a child and acts like it's some moral grey area to Ed when she drops it on him. "LIVE IN THE GREY!!!" like what a terrible storyline Jesus Christ why
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No manual fuel shutoff to the ring thruster? No counter thruster to slow rotation in case of emergency?
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EvilHawk posted:-Margo is going to get caught up in some espionage sting. There's no way the CIA aren't aware of her Russian boyfriend. Sadly I think Aleida will end up using some information she gets given through it and gets caught too. EvilHawk posted:
Grand Fromage posted:Seems likely. Hard to believe the head of NASA has spent a decade exchanging secret phone calls with the Soviet Union without being noticed and monitored. Aldrich Ames spent nearly a decade blatantly selling secrets to the soviets, openly meeting with them in the Soviet embassy, and living way above his means, without anyone suspecting him. You are all vastly overestimating the competence of the CIA. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Admiral Bosch posted:No manual fuel shutoff to the ring thruster? No counter thruster to slow rotation in case of emergency? This is a fictional TV show
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Admiral Bosch posted:No manual fuel shutoff to the ring thruster? No counter thruster to slow rotation in case of emergency? though the point is obviously to show that they didn't do a great job and doing poo poo in space is hard
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Jun 11, 2022 08:17
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So season 1 is the moon landing season. Season 2 is the space base season. Season 3 is the Mars season. This show has a 7 season plan. What could the next four be? Just taking some wild guesses Season 4, going beyond our Solar System. Season 5, First Contact. Season 6, Alien Conflicts. In this season, an elderly Ed hits an alien with a cane. season 7, Founding a Star Trek like federation. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Jun 11, 2022 08:22
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The last season will just be the first season of the Expanse.
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Jun 11, 2022 08:30
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There'll be a whoopsie daisy gently caress-up season where they end up backsliding really badly / one of their colonies is cut off for a significant chunk of time.
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Jun 11, 2022 08:45
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S4: Titan S5: Mercury S6: Extrasolar S7:
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Listening to the podcast seems Ron Moore really likes the Danny/Karen plot line. Also he admits that when people criticize a plotline there’s part of him that wants to dig his heels in more. Although I thought Ron was stepping down. Did he change his mind? theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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I didn't see a recap and it's been a while since I saw S2, was Karen's husband who died in the elevator Tracy's ex-husband? Also was kinda hoping Danny would be flung into space so we wouldn't get an awful KarenxDanny plotline.
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Spacebump posted:So season 1 is the moon landing season. Season 2 is the space base season. Season 3 is the Mars season. This show has a 7 season plan. What could the next four be? If we're heading a the Star Trek-ish future, first contact is a long way off in the 2060's and season 3 should be mostly about a take on Khan and the Eugenics wars, maybe that's what the NK stuff is leading to?
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It would be cool if the show did a take on the Arthur C. Clarke style first contact, distant and unfathomable beings who just go "ALL OF THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT FOR EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE because screw you, that's why". This show has its silly bits, but I don't really like the idea of having 30 different alien species running around with slightly different forehead bumps. There's enough sci-fi shows like that already, dammit.  Also, the show seems to have at least a semi-realistic take on space travel so far, and it's just an unfortunate truth that without magical FTL stuff, there's really no point in trying manned missions to other solar systems. Either you're screwed by relativity out of anyone you ever knew and cared about, or it's some kind of ridiculous generation ship deal which would just suck for a whole bunch of other reasons. I would like seeing Ed swing a cane at an alien, not gonna lie 
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Rappaport posted:I would like seeing Ed swing a cane at an alien, not gonna lie I would like to see more of Doggy Cobb.
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Spacebump posted:So season 1 is the moon landing season. Season 2 is the space base season. Season 3 is the Mars season. This show has a 7 season plan. What could the next four be? I'm thinking season 4 will the colonisation of the solar system, asteroid bases, moons of Jupiter etc. leaning heavily into the private spacetravel side of things (assuming the Mars stuff doesn't put a stop to all that). Season 5 then the first attempt at leaving the solar system Season 6 maybe first colony in another solar system (though making that different enough from moon base/mars base might be tricky) Then finishing up with season 7 making first contact with an alien race. That makes it a nice bookend to the series, and avoids having to do any weird inter-species conflict.
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BooDooBoo posted:If we're heading a the Star Trek-ish future, first contact is a long way off in the 2060's and season 3 should be mostly about a take on Khan and the Eugenics wars, maybe that's what the NK stuff is leading to? I’m not sure they mean Star Trek as in aliens (although that would be fine), I think the context was Star Trek as in “optimistic, uplifting view of the future”.
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nexus6 posted:I didn't see a recap and it's been a while since I saw S2, was Karen's husband who died in the elevator Tracy's ex-husband? Yes.
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Thatcher’s dead and the Apple Newton is a success. Truly, this is the greatest of all timelines.
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My guessing: Season 4: With viable fusion the colonization of the solar system can begin. Also fusion rockets make travel times short enough the outer solar system is accessible, so the main astronaut plotline is heading to Enceladus/Titan to look for life (or Europa if the writers forget about Jupiter's radiation belts). They find microbes. Season 5: Conflicts over colonization and the proof that alien life exists. Season 6: ? Season 7: I definitely think ending with first contact is the plan. The question is how sci-fi is the show going to get. Is this just radio first contact, or are they going all the way to FTL sci-fi? I don't know, I'm inclined toward the former. Also affects whatever happens in season 6, are they going to go with Earth gets its poo poo together before first contact or first contact triggers Earth to get its poo poo together?
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If each season is one decade, then a natural place to end would be season 6 as that’s the 2020s. It seems like a clear message of the show is that if we’d made different and better decisions in the past, we’d be living in an amazing sci-if future right now. Also, after that season the entire “things that actually happened in a different context” angle will be impossible.
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The Soviet union was the last chance for humankind
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And then the fire nation attacked.
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Clearly the future lies in the North Korean space program
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BooDooBoo posted:If we're heading a the Star Trek-ish future, first contact is a long way off in the 2060's and season 3 should be mostly about a take on Khan and the Eugenics wars, maybe that's what the NK stuff is leading to? That 1992 space hotel looked exactly like a star trek set lol
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Karen is going to start sleeping with the young brother failson now, isn't she?
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Hoping that there’s a small blurb mentioning the bankruptcy and expropriation of a white-owned South African emerald mine.
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dpkg chopra posted:Hoping that there’s a small blurb mentioning the bankruptcy and expropriation of a white-owned South African emerald mine. "South African dipshit buys failing emerald mine, goes bankrupt. Failson sent to public school"
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Child dies after being pushed down the stairs for mocking suicide, father agrees "it's for the best"
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mcmagic posted:That 1992 space hotel looked exactly like a star trek set lol Strong 2001 influence
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I liked the hotel. Feels sci-fi and futuristic but it's also something we could build right now if we really wanted to. I don't think the diameter looked big enough to make a comfortable 1g without making the people aboard woozy from rotation but I can control myself. Experiments suggest that for most people 3 RPM or lower is tolerable without getting motion sick, which means a minimum 100 meter radius for 1g. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 12, 2022 |
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I was also hoping to see some cool coriolis tricks based on how small that thing was.
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Does no one think they’ll use nukes on the moon? With it being split up between the two superpowers and they pointed out the gun escalation, it seems inevitable to me.
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Not if we get one world government lets gooooo. I really liked the episode, enjoyed the extended time skip catch up, and cherry on top was thatcher obliterated by the IRA. Makes up for how goofy it is to see the space shuttle near the moon (yes I know it's a nuke shuttle not ours, still doesn't feel right). I was pleased to see the early LCD adoption (and seeing it mixed with CRT at NASA) but I agree I'd like to have seen 4.3 rather than 16.9. Also we missed out on the gloriously heavy rear end age of flat CRTS apparently.
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I'm not sure what the point would be. Without an atmosphere there's no overpressure or fire, which are the main destructive parts of a nuke. The radiation burst would be worse I suppose without air to filter it, though lingering radiation wouldn't matter. I guess if something were buried deeply enough and you needed to bust down to it.
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Silly Burrito posted:Does no one think they’ll use nukes on the moon? With it being split up between the two superpowers and they pointed out the gun escalation, it seems inevitable to me. It feels like the signing of that treaty was a serious deescalation, and everyone is talking about Mars now anyway.
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Granted, if the general level of tech is around the mid-2000s era, it makes sense you would still have clunky PDAs and early 16:9 LCD/Plasma screens.
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I think the Mars missions are gonna go horribly wrong. (The spinning out of control metaphor was pretty clear, IMO.) My guess is that the corporate mission gets there first, but they cut so many corners and are so reliant on last minute saves that the mission ends up being disastrous.
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Tbh I doubt that this show is going to be as negative on private spaceflight as many seem to want it to be. Probably the conclusion will be that while they made some missteps, private spaceflight is an integral part of the mix going forward, regardless of whether that would be actually true or not. This isn’t a leftist show, it’s very firmly liberal.
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Comrade Fakename posted:This isn’t a leftist show Let's be honest, what show is? (Yes, I can think of three off the top of my head, but they're not common.)
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