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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I just realized we're rapidly approaching "X washed up politician as himself" territory Patrick Leahey as himself, with guest star Christian Bale as Batman!
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Edward Mass posted:Again, since George H.W. Bush is never chosen by Reagan to be his VP, the Bush dynasty never happens. JEB! transcends your pitiful excuses.
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Is it more likely or less likely that Bernie Sanders gets elected as Mayor in the 80s, and Congress in the 90s in a world where the USSR still exists and countries like Mexico elects a Marxist President? I imagine as the show goes on, there's gonna be more original characters as politicians.
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Get the guy who played not-Bernie in Succession to play another not-Bernie, except this time he is on NKVD's payroll 
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Edward Mass posted:Again, since George H.W. Bush is never chosen by Reagan to be his VP, the Bush dynasty never happens. They mentioned a Bush last season.
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Just make it Carter. He would have been 72 taking office in 1996.
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It's going to be Jimmy Stevens as the far-right candidate 'of the people' to parallel Trump and be an active force against all of the goals of the space program.
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I guess it all depends on how much White House manoeuvring we'll see this season, now that Jodie Balfour is no longer a regular. Would be strange to abandon that plot completely though.
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Like the realization of the Sea Dragon or NERVA Shuttle before, I hope they take the abandoned plans to send Joey Fatone to Mir and expand it to a full N*sync concert in space. As a season opener.
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Senor Tron posted:A lot depends on if Ellen ran and won in 1996. oh whoops i totally forgot season 3 was in her first term and not second
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thedangergroove posted:Like the realization of the Sea Dragon or NERVA Shuttle before, I hope they take the abandoned plans to send Joey Fatone to Mir and expand it to a full N*sync concert in space. As a season opener. It was Lance Bass, not Joey Fatone.
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I doubt this universe is that much different that Lance doesn't still have that heart condition that prevents him from going to space.
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If a 134-year-old HGH-laden Ed can go to space, so can Lance Bass, godammit.
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I hope they have an emo character. It's really the most memorable thing about the early '00s
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I’ve been thinking about starting this series and I was wondering if it’s ever explained where everyone gets the money to run these massive space programs. Like I would imagine the defense budget is nothing compared to the supply chain budget for the lunar and Martian colonies.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’ve been thinking about starting this series and I was wondering if it’s ever explained where everyone gets the money to run these massive space programs. Like I would imagine the defense budget is nothing compared to the supply chain budget for the lunar and Martian colonies. The whole premise (which is accurate honestly), is that if the USSR and the USA didn't waste untold amounts on defense, we'd be able to actually do things. Considering how insane the defense budget is, that's true.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’ve been thinking about starting this series and I was wondering if it’s ever explained where everyone gets the money to run these massive space programs. Like I would imagine the defense budget is nothing compared to the supply chain budget for the lunar and Martian colonies. They make a gently caress load of money from the patents and poo poo they mine. So yeah they explain it. Essentially it seems like anything we use today nasa holds the patent for and makes money from it
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First, the Cold War, later, mining helium-3 on the moon.
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I'm glad the trailer shows some new, younger characters, considering Ed Baldwin has to be in the 70s by now.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’ve been thinking about starting this series and I was wondering if it’s ever explained where everyone gets the money to run these massive space programs. Like I would imagine the defense budget is nothing compared to the supply chain budget for the lunar and Martian colonies. 
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I'm still roflcoptering over the fact that they are afraid to put China in as a potential villain that they made North Korea into a major space power.Mr. Apollo posted:I’ve been thinking about starting this series and I was wondering if it’s ever explained where everyone gets the money to run these massive space programs. Like I would imagine the defense budget is nothing compared to the supply chain budget for the lunar and Martian colonies. For the US, the whole idea was that the US needed to beat the USSR in the space race. In our world, Russia beat the US at every step of the way. Russia got the first satellite, first animal, first man, first manned orbit, first woman, first space walk, first probe on the moon. I think maybe the US got the first rendezvous and docking. Then the US got the first man around the moon, and then the first man on the moon, and that was pretty much as far as people were willing to go at the time. The US finally "won" and the general public lost interest in space stuff and the US canceled the last few planned moon missions. People had more plans for living on the moon and even going to Mars, but the American public was bored, there was a war on, and Russia had basically given up on a moon mission and stuck to low Earth orbit. So space was done. In this universe, it's kind of a spoiler, but it's the first scene of the show, and I can't explain the rest of this without saying it, Russia lands a person on the moon first. So this means that the US has to keep going in order to finally get a "win" in the space race. So the entirety of this show is the US trying to get a win in the space race but either losing or tying with Russia. Russia keeps going because they need to prove that they can maintain parity with the US.
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They mention things like the US pulling resources from Vietnam to focus on the competition in space. By the time of the 80s & 90s they have relatively cheap launch costs due to economies of scale, then nuclear powered launch vehicles, NASA is apparently running a profit, and fusion power is a thing meaning geopolitics would be very different than in our timeline. Spoilering the below since it's speculation based on the trailer. I'm doubling down on the big ending for the season being an independent Mars, probably with Ed and whatever Soviet equivalent they have for him as the elder statesmen founders.
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Can't wait for the season premiere when Ed turns to camera and explains that our harmonious brothers in the People's Republic of China are not involved in the space race because they are dedicated to building True Communism and Paradise on Earth. The scene is delivered in perfect Mandarin and never referenced again.
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I'm not like a Sinologist but it seems to me if the show is about superpowers racing to space the conspicuous absence of China as a player would be more insulting than having them in the game, even as a Yellow Peril Boogieman. Hell, I had a great time watching The Battle at Lake Changjin where MacArthur gets introduced like a loving Metal Gear Solid villain and US Airmen cackle gleefully and twirl their moustaches while strafing wounded Chinese soldiers; I can totally imagine a Chinese audience watching this for yucks to see what the dumb Yankees thought an alternate history Evil Space China would be like. Having loving North Korea essentially taking their place narratively (absolutely idiotic in an alternate timeline with an extant USSR for reasons I've said already in this thread) is just insulting. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 13, 2023 |
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Owlbear Camus posted:I'm not like a Sinologist but it seems to me if the show is about superpowers racing to space the conspicuous absence of China as a player would be more insulting than having them in the game, even as a Yellow Peril Boogieman. China is currently developing a super secret and advanced society under the sea, like an underwater Wakanda and this will be revealed in season 5 and provide an air of superiority over all these idiots trying to figure stuff out in space.
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MarcusSA posted:It’s entirely possible that China didn’t develop the same way as it has in our timeline Which makes lifting the Western conceptual geography of the DPRK whole cloth from our timeline all the more baffling a choice but I've said my piece on that.
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MarcusSA posted:It’s entirely possible that China didn’t develop the same way as it has in our timeline There was a very interesting Jordan Harbinger podcast where he interviewed one of the higher ups at Marvel who explained how much of the movie business is changing scripts and everything to placate China to look better so that they can get access to that giant market. So it stands to reason that Apple would do something that only shows China in a positive light or at least definitely not in a negative one.
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Apple isn’t placating China for the Apple TV+ market; they’re doing it for the iPhone market (and supply chain).
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Vegetable posted:Apple isn’t placating China for the Apple TV+ market; they’re doing it for the iPhone market (and supply chain). Distinction without a difference
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