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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Not if we get one world government lets gooooo.

I really liked the episode, enjoyed the extended time skip catch up, and cherry on top was thatcher obliterated by the IRA. Makes up for how goofy it is to see the space shuttle near the moon (yes I know it's a nuke shuttle not ours, still doesn't feel right).

I was pleased to see the early LCD adoption (and seeing it mixed with CRT at NASA) but I agree I'd like to have seen 4.3 rather than 16.9. Also we missed out on the gloriously heavy rear end age of flat CRTS apparently.

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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

On the one hand I really like the idea of an actual egalitarian group beating squabbling nation states… bbbut it does feel more techbro than techcoop.

So hopefully it shits the bed like the hotel instead of jacking off private enterprise as the saviors of human spaceflight.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

They havent said anything but I assume Wayne probably left sally after she got herself irradiated. He’s an anxious dude at a certain point he probably just bowed out.

I also expect we will see a lot less of her character going forward this season now that the crews are on their way, unless a new subplot for her crops up.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

looking at the promo art I do think there's gonna be a multi staged issue that fucks each of the missions and requires three way cooperation leading to some kind of breakthru... i think a lot of other shows would go very negative for drama (and I bet the middle of this season is gonna be messy as poo poo) but it's proved to be pretty optimistic so I'm hoping for the best (not getting this from star trek these days for fuckin sure)

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

TIP posted:

The Helios ship goes back and rescues everyone but is unable to get any fuel or supplies and they have to take a long and hungry trip back to earth without touching Mars.

Then the North Koreans land their little probe and to the shock of the world someone climbs out of it and plants a North Korean flag and falls over dead.

Yeah it's gonna turn out they laika'ed some poor rear end in a top hat and NK is def the only ones getting to the surface (with no plan for extraction)

Spacebump posted:

Is the smooshed astronaut embedded into one of the shuttles or is there a human pancake floating around?

I think there is plenty of... adhesive, so what's left will be sticking to the ship(s) at least until they burn.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Riptor posted:

Re: tech, someone upthread was laughing about iPods being available in 1994 but that's only 7 years earlier than they actually came out. To us, 1994->2001 feels like ages apart but if there was the funding and will to get things done just a bit sooner, starting in the late 1960s, a 7 year jump on things like iPods seems extremely reasonable

And with regard to CRTs, flatscreens make a ton of sense as to something they'd put tons of effort and funding into developing- not only does the form factor make sense on spaceships but the difference in mass and the lack of a potentially hazardous vacuum tube are all enormous pluses

The real what about ipods is Steve that wouldn’t be at Apple at that time. I mean I guess in this timeline maybe he didn’t get ousted but he would still be Steve and I feel like getting his dick stepped on is what made the return work out the way it did.

The real answer is the show is on Apple + and they aren’t gonna show no generic MP3 player.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

The rescue mission just keeps expanding, including bringing back that poor SOB.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Rental Sting posted:

We knew that as soon as they flew a space shuttle to the moon.

Yeah even if it was a nuclear shuttle that was still goofy.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

weed edibles

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

To be honest, it depends on if anyone want to gently caress her over. In which case, the FBI DOJ whomever will just make poo poo up whether or not there was wrongdoing.

I don't expect the show to go that route obviously, but it's possible the "even gorby cant restrain the KGB" could lead into a similar situation on the american side (slightly less torture, presumably).

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

They did explain how he got access, he got the safe mode password from the impressions nerd.

Whatever you think of the plot line, his deadeyed stare while watching peoples private poo poo is a lot more realistic if than if he was huffing and puffing and acting his rear end off

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Also I'm going to be a pedant and point out that it wouldn't be the CIA knocking on Margo's door, it'd be the FBI.

Hey, maybe James Urbaniak gets to come back for another episode or two!

Yeah the cia wouldn’t knock.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

blue squares posted:

because they wouldnt be able to find the door

the CIA is beyond incompetent

Cold War cia was really good at loving people up domestically.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Look if that’s as far as they go when they reach 2050 and are exploring the stars I’ll owe you a coke.

DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jul 16, 2022

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

ShowTime posted:

When the episode started and we learned that the ship was damaged and not leaving I had this thought of: what if the Helios crew just said: nah. Nope, we aren't letting you leave with us. Do something about it. It would a petty, terrible thing but it just made me wonder. Same thing for the earlier season rescue of the Russian crew, which they kind of did. Also, how the hell are they planning on getting up to the Helios? It didn't land. 2x at a time over like, 8 trips?

Also, the food and water shortages. You can't just move the food and water with you? Instead, everyone is going on half rations?

They are feeding and watering 2 more people which is a big strain. And yeah, they can go up and down as many times as they like since i think Helios craft runs on methane they can mine in mars.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I mean, also her divorce ya know

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Gonna rule when next season features Bill Clinton riding into office on the moral outrage of Republicans disgracing the Oval Office.

This is supposed to be a bright future not the dark one.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

It seems very unlikely.

As if Ed would pass up the chance to be the first person to be stranded on Mars :colbert:

IDK he didn't love being the first person stranded on the moon.

Something else is happening with Danny tho, cuz the guy who came out is gonna take a swing at being the first permanent human resident on Mars. gently caress outta here with your earth laws.

Wafflecopper posted:

so they find Danny his usual self, but emaciated

Or suspiciously well fed, and missing a neighbor.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

two for two goddamn man haha

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I’ve been fence sitting on the Danny plot cuz the show has done a lot with some of the previous questionable plots but man, this was a stinker.

They can redeem it, I guess. I’m hopeful? I was not feeling this one at all though.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

tokin opposition posted:

this season? lol some of us are forgetting ed the space kidnapper and mrs karen robinson

Ed the kidnapper makes sense in context. Mrs Karen Robinson is not great but it drove plot. It just turns out the plot it was driving was not entertaining at all to watch and has culminated in this unpleasant mess.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Nihonniboku posted:

Yeah, it was another pretty boring episode. What's going on? Are the rumors that the showrunner left true? This was my favorite show, but it seems like as they move further and further away from actual history, they don't know what to do.

IDK about the show runner but I had heard during S2 RDM was not going to be as involved going forward since he had some other show starting.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I liked this ep a hell of a lot more than the last yeah. Only big eye rolls was dev walking in the room and instantly having the solution, and Danny starting to reveal the affair just before the explosion goes off.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Yeah I don't need that, the problem was how cliche it was. My GF literally said "and now the bomb goes off" and then it did.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Tv show

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

They laika’d a guy hhahaha gently caress yes.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I have almost no complaints about the last episode. It was great how ellen and hub went through the list of bad scandal ideas and rejected them (transcripts and redaction, blanking tapes, clintoning) and then going with the actual feelgood solution Ellen doing an Ellen in 1994/95.

Space travel being geopolitically important enough to risk shooting a guy to the moon in case you can salvage him and go (see, WE were first!). It's not really all that silly in context, especially against all the other poo poo going on this season.

The ONE thing that stuck out and made me groan was the off handed comment that DEV single handedly loving solved Fusion power.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Show was always on the rails we just didn’t like the stations it was passing thru

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Dev's speech about how people succeed despite adversity was meant to be inspirational (I think) but honestly all I could hear was a rich dude saying,"I'm willing to let people die to get what I want."

I trust the writing enough to not think that was the case. Ellen’s speech yes, his not so much.

But then again he’s mister “I came up with the solution to global warming” so I’ll give it 50/50 on intent

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Yup, his life isn’t the one on the line. And if colonists get cold feet he’d be happy to engage overrides to make up their minds.

Minor quibble, wish the show put more work into the news broadcasts to get them past generic cutscenes quality. Most they have is that eagle news or whatever guy and even that doesn’t make sense as he criticizes a sitting GOP president.

Show a sitcom set on Mars, or kids buying Helios toys, or school kids calling Ed. Something with more energy. Maybe Weird Al singing about a Mars baby, he did Galavant so why not.

At least failson #2 didn’t show up, although guessing he’ll help attack NASA HQ as Margo is confronted.

I liked the news broadcasts though I do wish there were more of them (although dem rush limbaugh I'm fine if they gently caress off with that guy), but they really really should have used the landfills full of 4x3 LCD screens still extant if they were just gonna have letter boxed on all the unconvincing 16x9 sets.

I'm guessing they are gonna Oklahoma city NASA in the next ep unless the prez does something more than come out. The lingering jobs bill that she can't get the votes on could depressurize that but since she just did a wheelie over the guy that wants to defund nasa I'm guessing it'll be a couple hundred people dying instead to make them untouchably.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

They woulda aborted if it wasn’t written and filmed a year ago. It’s fine everything is fine. Was hoping the stranger ina strange land would be the baby on earth after the time skip and not a)the Korean, b)jimmy, c)Sergei and d) Margo. But whatever not getting what i thought isn’t a deal breaker like it can be for some.

Loved the episode. Does look like the pattern will be cool start, frustrating middle, pay off end. Called okc-jse, called Margo / Sergei ships passing in the night. Called the Korean! I mean it was all there so it’s not like they were rear end pulls. Did not call Karen, or Molly. Def thought They were setting up Margo defecting and then subverting with her being exploded but I guess it just was a very convienient cover.



Anyway, was super happy with the finale. Can’t wait for a 4

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

QuoProQuid posted:

this show just casually loving over lyndon johnson for no reason is kind of funny, ngl

e: also, friendship ended with danny. lee jung-gil is my new best friend.

I mean, cape Canaveral isn’t cape Kennedy anymore so

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Cojawfee posted:

It's still the Kennedy Space Center though.

I’m sure the lbj big dick yell at senators while taking a dump bathroom stall still has its plague

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Til they run out of money in the second season anyway.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I liked Karens arc in S3 as well, but if folk are looking for a reason to stop they might as well just stop. Looking for excuses to stop watching a show you should be enjoying is no way to spend your leisure time.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Just watched, initial thoughts:

-one of the biggest appeals of the show was as it’s an alternate timeline no one should be safe so the audience feels the tension. We don’t know if Buzz & Neil survived the moon landing, or if Molly will find water, or if Tracy & Gordo’s duct tape suits will work. But they’ve lost that so didn’t feel like Kelly or Ed were in danger.


I mean, a bunch other people did die. Should they ALL die?

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Also she may have been injured in the explosion internally and have been running on adrenaline. The sense to me was even blind Molly was gonna do everything she could to help and did just that, from injury to smoke inhalation to a rafter falling on her head. It's a big part of her character.

They even make a point to show she has the place memorized JSE by step. Whether you interoperate it that way or think "Oh she walked into a hole in the floor lol", the intent behind the scene was clearly heroic.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Data Graham posted:

Lotta unimpressed takes on this episode, but I really enjoyed it. Mainly it's a vibe for me at this point; I really love the big long protracted musical cues over the montages, like the somber piano one covering the final ~10m or so, from the bombing to the Mars justice bit. And I will admit to laughing out loud with delight at seeing the Kelly maneuver take place. But then I'm a sucker for audiovisual spectacles like the moon landing scene in First Man.

And the aftermath of the bombing, if anyone is at all unclear about the fact that it's meant to parallel the OKC bombing more than anything else, it might be because you weren't around to see the visuals of the building on the news night after night. It was a dead-on point-for-point reference.

Also a small note about the Karen "is she dead" scene — another giveaway is blood in the corner of the mouth. You don't walk away from that on film lol.

The spin in first man made me so uncomfortable I loved it it was like being spunup to 8 gs in a tin menards shed.

Only extremely dum dums think karen survived getting crushed to death and then getting dead eyes

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

bawfuls posted:

except Trek mostly has better writing and coherent politics

HAHAHAHAHA.

Maybe in the 20th century. Enterprise had that stupid rear end temporal cold war AND space 9/11. Watch picard or discovery or Into Darkness and say that poo poo.


Jerusalem posted:

It feels like the show SHOULD be on a trajectory to realize that the thing holding everybody back/causing problems is capitalism, ESPECIALLY if they want to eventually end up as Star Trek... but I feel like that isn't going to happen :smith:

Since the USSR is still a going concern, and the advances from the space program in this version, Capitalism in FAM is not at the same point as ours.

My thought is rather than by revolution over the capitalists, FAM will go the route of eventual One World Government, and expansion of social services etc until things are functionally socialist, but without the actual ideology or realities of capitalism kicking and screaming. So very libby but not like rah rah capitalism.

I'm sort of surprised they haven't highlighted the UN more, since that is usually the vehicle for these sorts of soft unifications as the closest thing to an actual functioning international institution. More than anything that's happened this season, the idea that cold war era soviet space program people are working out of NASA is the least convincing to me. The stuff last season with the very tense relationship to make the space dock work felt more legitimate, but on the other hand we are in a 90s where gorby has been liberalizing the USSR for a decade ands ince we get very little from the soviet POV maybe that's the explanation. I don't know.

DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 16, 2022

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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Yeah in reality outside of public ownership, that would just mean greater profits margins, not lower product prices. And even in the case that it stops inflation dead (I highly doubt it), those guys getting laid off would still be all pissed off, justified or not, just cuz the industry they are in disappears. They make a point that they are trying to pass a jobs and social safety net bill that would alleviate this pressure, and she's deadlocked with the people who want raid NASA's budget.

Certainly cheap free clean energy SHOULD be boone to all, but it's a plot hole in the way that all the loving awful poo poo that happens to us on a day to day basis now is a plot hole. It some of the more accurate points of the season, if a little cute because of the conspiracy theory stuff and having young rich evans come along for the ride.

DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Aug 16, 2022

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