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Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Tiggum posted:

Once again, Australia Post has decided it's too much effort to bother delivering parcels and is keeping them at the post office for me to go and pick up (which completely defeats the point of having them delivered in the first place) and, this time, they also seem to have decided that leaving a card, lying about having "attempted delivery", was too much effort as well so I only found out when I checked the tracking information because they seemed to be taking longer than expected.

They're getting really poo poo. I watched the postman from my balcony in full view of me mark a package as attempted delivery without him even walking up. Got a notification on my phone that it was attempted before he'd even taken 2 steps away from me so I chased him down and he had the gall to tell me he tried and no one answered. Mother gently caress dude we've both been in each others plain sight the whole time.

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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Never hold resentment for the minimum wage peon, keep it for the manager who made sure that peon is way waaaaay overwhelmed by tasks and deadlines.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

Tiggum posted:

Once again, Australia Post has decided it's too much effort to bother delivering parcels and is keeping them at the post office for me to go and pick up (which completely defeats the point of having them delivered in the first place) and, this time, they also seem to have decided that leaving a card, lying about having "attempted delivery", was too much effort as well so I only found out when I checked the tracking information because they seemed to be taking longer than expected.

The exact same thing happened to me last week and I fully expect it to me again today. gently caress Australia Post.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I had some small hope that the new Venom movie would be better than the first one, it's not.
Am I supposed to hope the bad guy wins.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I live in the United Kingdom

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Are you even capable of disappointment anymore? The recent two decades were especially harsh.
Don't freeze.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
It is a continual process of setting my expectations to rock bottom and then finding out they have found a new floor

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Tiggum posted:

What do you mean? What situations are you referring to where it would make sense for characters to explicitly look at stars but they don't?

You'd think someone on a starship would look out a window at least occasionally. Or, you now, access the exterior sensor feed if you want to get all sciency about it.
I've read a few compilations of sci fi short stories recently and authors seem allergic to describing anything that's, like, good or pleasant or vaguely inspiring? Like, yeah yeah, we're in a grimdark edgy dystopia and have shed the foolish optimism of our forebears bla bla.
That said, describing nice things is way, way harder than sadmurder deathpain. Like Tolkien conveys washed-out delirious exhaustion pretty well, but his jolly Tom Bombadil songs are kind of agonising

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

picturing lord of the rings but it stops every few pages so a hobbit can look at a leaf or consider octagons or think about basque separatism. it runs to sixteen thousand pages

i get the sense that generally writers wouldn't include extraenous, off-theme material in things that they are writing unless they're quite famous and can successfully defeat their editors in a knife fight

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

picturing lord of the rings but it stops every few pages so a hobbit can look at a leaf
-also known as Lord of the Rings-

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

or consider octagons or think about basque separatism. it runs to sixteen thousand pages
-not sure about the octagons, but I guess Tolkien would've been very interested in Euskara as a language isolate?
I certainly see what you mean, but still, I feel the Grim would hit a little harder if there was some Not-Grim to give it some contrast.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Tree Bucket posted:

I've read a few compilations of sci fi short stories recently and authors seem allergic to describing anything that's, like, good or pleasant or vaguely inspiring?
I suppose short stories are less likely than novels to include anything not directly relevant to the plot (because they're short) but it still sounds like you're generalising from a small and unrepresentative sample. In my experience, sci-fi is more likely than any other genre to include stories that are basically just "a nice thing happens" because you can tack "in space" or "to a robot" or something like that onto the end of that sentence to (theoretically) make it novel enough to be worth reading about.

Phthisis
Apr 16, 2007

"Maybe some dolphins have sex for pleasure."

Tree Bucket posted:

You'd think someone on a starship would look out a window at least occasionally. Or, you now, access the exterior sensor feed if you want to get all sciency about it.
I've read a few compilations of sci fi short stories recently and authors seem allergic to describing anything that's, like, good or pleasant or vaguely inspiring? Like, yeah yeah, we're in a grimdark edgy dystopia and have shed the foolish optimism of our forebears bla bla.
That said, describing nice things is way, way harder than sadmurder deathpain. Like Tolkien conveys washed-out delirious exhaustion pretty well, but his jolly Tom Bombadil songs are kind of agonising

This is actually pretty closely related to something I was thinking a lot about recently. It seems like true utopian sci-fi is incredibly rare. I really enjoy futuristic space settings that *do* have that sense of wonder, but that type of sci-fi is generally few and far between.

I do think that the grimdark poo poo being popular does play into it, but I think there's much deeper issues going on. It seems to me that most storytelling relies on some sort of central conflict to drive the story, which really butts heads with utopian settings. It's very difficult to have meaningful conflict in an advanced society where things are generally great, and integrating those sorts of "pleasant" experiences into a story that does rely on conflict to drive the story runs the risk of having it feel somewhat tonally off.


I think there's a few ways you can kind of get around that, but they tend to be somewhat iffy:

– One is to simply make the conflict not really interact with the sciency/space aspect of the story. The big issue here is that it becomes difficult to explain/justify why you're using a space setting in the first place, other than "because it's cool", which doesn't lead to a well-designed story imo. I think classic Star Trek is one of the best examples of this being pulled off well. The stories themselves are frequently allegorical to modern-day issues, but by putting them in alien allegories, it allows exploration of these issues without being so loaded in present-day culture. And there isn't really any aspect of the story structure that creates tension with Star Trek existing within a fairly utopian society.

– I think one of the big alternatives to "conflict" driving a story is stories of personal growth. I think this is one of the easier/more promising ways to have utopian sci-fi, but it also runs into the issue of "what justifies the space setting".

– Something I see a lot in utopian fiction that I personally think is terrible is where the story is intentionally conflict-free to show how great things are. You get things like "oh, in 200 years we achieve space socialism and everything is perfect, wow isn't socialism great?"



On this note, my "pyf disappointment" is that I watched Strange New Worlds recently after being a fan of TOS and TNG and not much past that, and felt that SNW was not very good and resembled classic Star Trek only in a superficial way.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Phthisis posted:

On this note, my "pyf disappointment" is that I watched Strange New Worlds recently after being a fan of TOS and TNG and not much past that, and felt that SNW was not very good and resembled classic Star Trek only in a superficial way.

You need to watch Discovery and Picard first to really appreciate Strange New Worlds.

In the same way you need to lose your fingers to frostbite to really appreciate a sunny afternoon.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I recommend avoiding any modern Trek but Lower Decks, the only Trek that isn't trying too hard.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


By popular demand posted:

I recommend avoiding any modern Trek but Lower Decks, the only Trek that isn't trying too hard.
Strange New Worlds is way better than Lower Decks. Lower Decks isn't awful, but it's not good. It's about on par with season 6+ of Futurama, but with a ton of direct references to other Star Trek shows crammed into every scene. Lower Decks was very disappointing.

The Star Trek kids show (that I can't remember the name of) might be all right, but I didn't watch it. :shrug:

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Now I'm forced to check out Strange and I'm holding you responsible.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

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By popular demand posted:

Now I'm forced to check out Strange and I'm holding you responsible.

Things that can lead to severe disappointment right here

Phthisis
Apr 16, 2007

"Maybe some dolphins have sex for pleasure."

Tiggum posted:

Strange New Worlds is way better than Lower Decks. Lower Decks isn't awful, but it's not good. It's about on par with season 6+ of Futurama, but with a ton of direct references to other Star Trek shows crammed into every scene. Lower Decks was very disappointing.

I don't think Strange New Worlds is better than Lower Decks, but I do agree with this assessment of Lower Decks. I think it's the best recent show, but it's "ok" at best. It leans way too heavily on Star Trek references. I'm a huge TOS fan—I have no problems laughing at the silliness in the existing shows. I don't need a show dedicated to "remember that dumb thing in Star Trek?". I can just watch the shows themselves!

I also wouldn't exactly call Lower Decks a disappointment, but I definitely don't think it comes anywhere near the expectations I would have had if I trusted the opinions of random Star Trek nerds online :v:

I haven't had a chance to check out Picard yet (it's not exactly a priority, based on what I've heard), but I couldn't make it more than a couple episodes into Discovery. I'm perfectly happy just watching TOS and TNG every once in a while.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I'm not disappointed that I watched the first season of Picard but I refuse to watch further than that.
Disappointed that they didn't retire the character after saving the universe, he had the best point to die on!

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Picard is so disappointing I'm disappointed it came up in the disappointment thread. Patrick Stewart came out with this big announcement that he'd gone back and watched TNG thoroughly in order to really understand why that character connected with audiences and then... made Picard.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I'm actually enjoying Strange New Worlds so far so I guess the disappointment is that I can't say 'I told you so'
Still disappointed by every other recent Trek thing.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Recently I got into the comic series Southern Bastards, and it's really good you should check it out.
but after I finished issue #20 I couldn't find any talk about the continuation of the series.
looking deeper I discovered the artist was outed as a sex pest, today's disappointment is with Jason Latour:
https://www.comicsbeat.com/jason-latour-misconduct-allegations/

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Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Man I loved n64 collectathons so i was really hoping Yooka-Laylee would be good and it just kind of... wasn't

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