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Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

What is the Rhetoric of Ultimatum called when the proposed solution will also make things worse?

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Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Jaxyon posted:

The "disarming the populace so they can't fight the government oppression" conversation is a pointless derail because of many reasons

1) Plenty of countries have strict gun control but aren't specifically any more oppressive than current US
2) Nobody is talking about disarming the population, just some gun regulation
3) The fascists in the US are the ones most virulently against even the most minor gun control.

4) the populace is functionally disarmed already and any inclination otherwise is wishful thinking

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Bishyaler posted:

One theme that tends to follow these discussions is the doublethink that the populace has so many arms that terrible violence is inevitable, but simultaneously so poorly armed that any thought of self-defense against right wing militias or a tyrannical government would be a fools errand.

It’s a round-about way to argue that the state should hold a monopoly on violence, which probably isn’t a great thing to argue considering the US government’s track record and that the GOP will enjoy a permanent majority very soon.

There are so many arms that terrible violence is inevitable between members of the populace, but that same armed populace has no chance against the might of the state.

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012


Middle management at best, but definitely more than most of the cannon fodder they're trying.

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Communist Thoughts posted:

It's really very simple to everyone who isn't an American.
Ban Americans from owning guns

Problem solved bing bong!

You could probably limit that to white men.

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Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Communist Thoughts posted:

You Americans and seeing everything through race.

No children, the sickness is within all of you

Absolutely, and yet I'm still willing to bet if you disarmed and pacified the white male population most of these problems would go away.

Yes, the problem is not exclusive to white people or to men... but as the source of most of our specific problems I feel like the country would be better off if we were defanged.

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