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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Gun Control: apologies, i'm on desktop and didn't notice the corpse
 
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socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Mulva posted:

I do love how you have to go to 2013. No, the point is 2008, when the Democrats had a super-majority and couldn't be stopped from doing anything they wanted for a few months. That was prime time to pass their most important, most pressing issues. Nobody could stop them, they were at the height of all possible power in this government.

Why didn't they? Because they didn't want to. Not like gun violence wasn't an issue then, not like we didn't have mass shootings, not like there wasn't talk by people about doing things. They just....didn't. They don't care. This latest shooting doesn't make them care any more. Nobody you can vote for cares. And the demographic breakdown of the country and gerrymandering means you are always going to have so many Republicans that you are fighting a massive uphill battle. The best possible chance to do something was 14 years ago, and they didn't. And now you are left hoping that the stars align and enough of the right type of Democrats win against the odds and have the will to do something.

Which might be quite literally impossible. It's certainly improbable. This is the one fight in all of American politics that I think is closest to unwinnable, and even if not nobody has shown any signs that they can win it. Too much is stacked against change, and nobody is rising to the occasion.

Did you actually pay attention to the bills passed and the difficulties involved in the 58ish working days of the 2008 majority? Treating it as simple as "technically there were 60 dems for a few weeks therefore if they didn't pass every bill ever Every single democrat is evil and doesn't want good things" doesn't really help anyone and completely misunderstands basic politics.

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Aug 30, 2003

Harold Fjord posted:

It's not really the argument, but the mistakes made arguing against it are pretty distracting.

What's not the argument that Gun Control will get in the way of the leftist revolution? There have been several people in the thread arguing exactly that.

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