weekly font posted:

And likely written on a phone or a computer with parts made by cheap, abusive, potentially child labor. Who is the monster now? We certainly do live in a society. Ho ho I am very smart.

ruddiger posted:

Because there was so much interesting discourse before their posts and this thread wasn’t wavering into falling from the first page, sure, okay.

Like, you guys can just ignore him and post about how fun the planes are for the 50th time in a row, but I guess the fun movies isn’t as fun to talk about if you have to zero in on the critique instead of posting what you like about the film (planes go brrrrr )

Majkol posted:

.

And to you.
This is you.

ruddiger posted:

The posts about propaganda were immediately dismissed or hand waved, to pretend otherwise is pretty weird.

Majkol posted:

I'm from the Czech republic, my gf of four years is Ukrainian and is literally there right now helping with the humanitarian effort, organizing aid over the border etc. and she, as a person who has better reasons to be pissed, to say the least, about Russia would think you are completely insane. This is cartoon, or as someone upthread has correctly pointed out, sports logic.
This isn't "Conor McGregor is a jackass and I'm going to watch his fight in the hopes he gets knocked out because I don't like him and am going to cheer for Dustin Poirer when he does".
The world doesn't work like that. Did you want to see F-18s gently caress Iraq up good? Cause they did, to the tune of 2 million dead civilians.

Biden could go on tv tomorrow, announce that a strike like that happened, and everyone would forget about the WMD lie and just accept at face value, that the target was legit and the actions taken were righteous and neccessary. poo poo, he probably wouldn't have to announce it because no-one cares, because as someone else has again pointed out, strikes happen all the time. The silent part is - and no-one stateside gives a gently caress anymore how many civilian casualties there were, no-one cares that kids in Pakistan are afraid to look at the skies because of drones. USA is the good guys.

*and just preemptively - the people who are writing things like "learn to separate entertainment/art from reality, like me, an adult you baby" - gently caress you, you don't get to sweep this bulshit under the rug. Not when fascism is on the rise all over the world. One of my best friends is an openly gay man of roma descent and yesterday we had a serious conversation about him maybe coming up with plan to move to another country because it is entirely possible that a few years from now, we will have a government that will not consider him an actual human being. Hungary is almost there already.
This is absolutely a fascist loving movie, how many times does Maverick tell Rooster "Do, don't think!" - we as always go back to Eco, and the aforementioned cult of action.

ruddiger posted:

The posts about propaganda were immediately dismissed or hand waved, to pretend otherwise is pretty weird.

Majkol posted:

Anyway, I am stepping away.
Pictured here, some kids enjoying Top Gun:Maverick.



*I didn't pay money for it. And the whole point was to make a stark comparison, to make you ask yourself why one thing bothers you more than the other. Like war is literally the worst human invention.

weekly font posted:

Criticizing the film is one thing. Saying all americans are hooting hogs who jack off to kids getting white phosphorus dumped on them should go back to twitter and score points there.

lmao you’re so up your own rear end you dont realize I’m directly referencing that. Absolutely incredible self own

weekly font posted:

Criticizing the film is one thing. Saying all americans are hooting hogs who jack off to kids getting white phosphorus dumped on them should go back to twitter and score points there.

Shageletic posted:

Lol

live with fruit posted:

If you want to get into it, there's a discussion to be had about how Maverick is the highest grossing movie in the world this year and the 12th highest of all-time. If the idea is that people who like this movie also like war crimes, things are looking pretty bleak for humanity.

Majkol posted:

Wait, I self-owned because you were acting like the dumbass in the cartoon and pointing out that my criticism is futile? I may be missing something here.

Majkol posted:

Like I'm not engaging with the american public in general. I'm engaging with the posters in this thread who have presumably lived through the Iraq war and all that entails and still love this loving movie.


Wait, I self-owned because you were acting like the dumbass in the cartoon and pointing out that my criticism is futile? I may be missing something here.

Majkol posted:

Freakiest loving country on the planet.
Just as long as you get your burgs and the moving pictures that make you happy and you don't have to see the bodies of kids blown to shreds by your heroic knights in the sky or better yet, epic gamers using drones.

Majkol posted:

I think it's more that they don't care. It's not happening here, better there than here, if that happened then the people *must* have done something to deserve it etc etc etc.

The citizens of most western countries have massive respect and trust in their military which is a massive problem.

weekly font posted:

Sure.

And yeah I literally posted “i am very smart” directly referencing that comic. It’s you. You are the comic man.

Majkol posted:

What? I was not criticizing people for using technology? I was referencing posts where people are praising this film's ( excellent ) cinematography and execution while handwaving the criticisms. You are criticizing me for pointing out things I didn't like about the film. Do you understand the comic you referenced? I AM the person writing on an iphone ( well not really ) in the comic.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I personally don't think the movie would have been as good if it was about rape instead of naval aviation

weekly font posted:

Your dedication to literalism actually gives your arguments a much clearer context now.

Anyway, I cant love war I’ve played Spec Ops: The Line.

Controversial yet brave

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I personally don't think the movie would have been as good if it was about rape instead of naval aviation

RBA Starblade posted:

It'd be pretty tasteless to still call it Top Gun

Majkol posted:

And Megaman's Jockstrap basically confirmed that anyway. His post basically boils down to "Top gun can't make things worse because they are already almost as bad as could be"

ruddiger posted:

Shageletic posted:

hey buddy you don't know poo poo about me, but I'm actually a Somali immigrant whose suffered the effects of imperialism. And you're a loving jackass.

its people on the internet trying to own each other through cultural signifiers. Its pedantic, boring, and devalues the actual harm brought about by America's war machine. Try pulling yourself out of your own rear end in a top hat once in a while.

Shageletic posted:

the unhinged poster said watching Maverick was the same as dropping phosphorous on little children jesus christ.

Majkol posted:

No-one said that.

Shageletic posted:

you did tho. you likened watching Maverick to dropping chemical weapons. It's a hosed thing to do.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

No. Things are not almost as bad as they could be, not by a long shot. The coming decades of climate catastrophe will make that clear.

American Imperialism is created and sustained by a complex web of factors. One of them is our bad system of government. One of them is our fear- and violence-soaked culture. One of them is our news and media model. Each feeds into each other. And yes, Top Gun Maverick is a part of this.[b] But it's such an innocuous and tiny part; a piece of fantasy first and propaganda second whose subject is...a handful of naval Fighter pilots doing a single targeted strike against a remote nuclear facility being built in violation of a treaty? You really think this is part of the spine of American Imperialism?

I guess what I'm asking is, isn't there something more positive you could be doing with this level of emotional energy than virtually yelling at strangers about a movie that contributes nearly nothing to American's eternal export of violence and misery to the rest of the world? I am not trying to shut down discussion, but this isn't discussion. It's a harangue.

Majkol posted:

Where?
Seriously, if I did I apologize, and you are right, that would be hosed up, but I don't think I did.

Majkol posted:

This was extremely well made but I fundamentally hated it.

And holy gently caress the americans in this thread defending this poo poo loving terrify me.
You would be so loving ready to support another american invasion of a sovereign country for whatever fake reason your leaders come up with, it's nuts.
Freakiest loving country on the planet.
Just as long as you get your burgs and the moving pictures that make you happy and you don't have to see the bodies of kids blown to shreds by your heroic knights in the sky or better yet, epic gamers using drones.

Majkol posted:

I literally just replaced military jet pilots with rapists

quote:

Internationally, the film has amassed $8.7 million across its 63 markets so far. The Joseph Kosinski-directed sequel has jet fuel and magic in its veins, rising to Paramount's biggest live-action picture across 37 markets including the United Kingdom, Australia, Brazil, France, Germany, Japan, Korea, and Saudi Arabia. Maintaining its cumulation from the previous weekend, globally, Maverick has grossed, to date, $720 million, without a major release in China or Russia…

The United Kingdom stays Top Gun: Maverick's highest earning international territory at a cumulative $98.5 million, followed up by Japan ($85.8 million), Korea ($64.6 million), Australia ($62.2 million), France ($54.7 million) and Germany ($34.8 million). In its 13th weekend, Maverick is netting over $24 million in Taiwan and over $21 million in Saudi Arabia and Brazil.

weekly font posted:

Also, gas this thread

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

An article on Breitbart

7 Ways ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Proves Hollywood’s Woke Gestapo Wrong





I want more movies full of Gay sex

Majkol posted:

It's wild that it's the new Top Gun movie of all things that brings back the dreaded "it's just a movie, don't think about it too much dude". Like the responses in this thread are mostly "you are yucking my yum dude". Like can't I just express my opinion? Yeah, I am passionate about this. My country is also a huge exporter of arms and I loving hate it and regularly attend protests, as powerless as they are. There has been a massive influx of Syrian refugees in Europe that no-one is talking about. My government is now basically refusing real help to refugees from the Ukraine conflict, much less brown people from the Middle East who now have to sleep on benches in the park around the main train station in Prague and eat from dumpsters while local groups like Food not Bombs are more overworked than ever and loving winter is around the corner.

America is currently officially at war in Syria, Somalia and Yemen. Unofficially, well that's anybody's guess.

Whether or not propaganda works or not ( no-one is actually stating that people are too dumb to distuingish fantasy from reality ), this is propaganda. And it's saying that these people, whose entire job, nay calling ( "I'm a fighter pilot Ice. It's not what I am, but who I am ), is killing other people in very sophisticated ways, are loving cool.

It's interesting you bring up Commando, because just like Commando ( a more interesting movie at the least ) the unreality is pretty important. Because I bet Commando wouldn't be half as enjoyable if it were set in Chile and Arnold personally executed Allende and similarly, you wouldn't think this movie was so good if it were set in Vietnam and Tom Cruise literally played John McCain dropping agent orange, bombing bridges, schools and whatnot. Lots of your fellow compatriots would of course think it's even cooler but lots of people would probably stop themselves and be like, hold on, this is hosed up. The distance that this movie places between real world places, people and consequences is the point. It's a nice safe fantasy, reassuring the viewer that the world is in some ways still the way it ought to be. Yeah, we now have women and black and brown people in the military, but we can still rely on them to bomb the right people when called upon.
In a post-Iraq era, with everything that has come out, with all the consequences, all the dead. Well I guess they didn't die on your soil so that's that. Because at the end of the day, you are literally the most comfortable people on the planet, but you still need these little comfort pieces telling you that it's ok, there are bad people in the world but we have not only the biggest, but also the coolest and now most diverse military in the world, who will save you. And those among you, who see through the evil loving bulshit just shrug and tell the rest of us that is just a movie.

ruddiger posted:

Crosspost from some more people who love Maverick

ruddiger posted:

Planes drop bombs, not gas

Crosspost from some more people who love Maverick