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habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Caidin posted:

I think about a 3rd of my fights in the first act had some enemy gunner gleefully gun down at least 1 to 3 of his own guys in the opening round so turn about I suppose is fair play.

The reinforcement packs in the Word Bearer fight killed the Word Bearer at point blank range as he went to wreck the shuttles while trying to shoot my remaining party members from halfway across the map. I didn't even realize it happened immediately due to camera wonkiness.

Issaries posted:

The Emperor has been 'dead' for 10 000 years and he is worshipped. For some reason Imperium isn't that fond of cloning and it is mostly banned.
the Original 20 Primarchs and their Space Marine legions are non-cloned bio and/or sorcery engineered descendants of the Emperor.

This isn't quite right, the Imperium uses cloning for lots of stuff. For example, using cloned bodies/brains is the less evil way of making Servitors and there's cloned Imperial Guard forces in the lore (though the Afriel strain turned out real bad probably due to warp fuckery and Kreig hides the fact that they're sending out armies of clones to fulfill their tithe obligations). It's more that the Emperor was one of the most powerful psykers in galactic history/also perpetually immortal/nigh impossible to clone. The Horus Heresy 10k years back really hosed up the Solar System and left Earth a wreck, and Emps was real bad at letting people know all the secret cool stuff he was doing and what all his plans were, and within a few hundred years you've got a full on very aggressive religion stating that he's a God. Cloning also doesn't really work well for making Space Marines, either, so it's at least partly a technical problem. In the lore there is at least one effort to create a clone of the Emperor. By the Drukhari.

Issaries posted:

The Imperium is a vast bureaucracy that works on inertia. Few powerful people nudge it along and change a direction a bit, but there's no single person in charge. There's a lot of competing factions that are semi-independent of each other. Multiple inquisitions, Marine Chapters, Cult of Mechanicus, Terran lords, Imperial Navy, Imperial guards and down to local Governors and Rogue Traders, who are sovereign in their own domains.

Yeah, the Imperium is a balkanized, fascist, incompetent mess of competing interests. They are not the Good Guys in any sense, playing as strictly Dogmatic is playing as a perfect Imperial citizen. And even places in the Imperium that are reasonably decent very likely use moral abominations like Servitors. Still better than Chaos, but I can't think of a lower bar unless it's the Dark Eldar. Even after 10,000 years of decay the Imperium as a whole is still likely stronger than any other group... if it weren't for their own constant infighting and self-defeating brutality.

GoodluckJonathan posted:

Why are people constantly going heretic when it seems *blatantly obvious to everyone* the best case scenario is turning into some sort of monstrosity after a bit of fun?

The slippery slope is enforced by the warp in the world of 40k. Henrix wasn't wrong when he talked about the risks of wearing the heretics' uniforms in the tech priest temple to infiltrate the guards, just having that poo poo on you will eat at your soul. Plus, the Imperium has sects who's initial reaction to Imperial citizens finding out about daemons is to murder the entire planet. Meanwhile, if you're one of those underdeck serfs on a ship where you're abused by the guards, always broke, and have no future other than eventually dying horribly from an enforcer purging you for no reason you can discern, or in a mechanical accident, or in a battle you had no say in fighting... wouldn't you be interested in making your lot slightly less bad? It's a major part of the lore that the Imperium is its own worst enemy because it creates the perfect conditions for Chaos to take root.

GoodluckJonathan posted:

How did Aurora come back to life and turn into a space marine lol ?

I read Aurora talking to you from beyond the grave during the Triumph as classic Warp Fuckery, and there being two people using the name Aurora - with the Chaos Space Marine being the man behind the heretek tech priest.

e: Man, why was I trying to use the Discord command for spoilers on SA? I must not be awake yet. My bad if anyone got spoiled before I fixed them.

e2: I should play Divinity Original Sin 2 again and compare it to this game, because comparing it to BG3 isn't fair given the difference in budgets. But this does feel jankier than I remember D:OS2 being. Still having a lot of fun, but it's not quite the same. I never got through Kingmaker and didn't play Owlcat's other Pathfinder RPG, so I don't have a ton of experience with their games.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Dec 11, 2023

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habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Is there a way to avoid killing the electropriests if you do that big fight first? I went to the right side first and had to fight them because they gave me no chance to talk.

e: argh, hosed up the spoilers again.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 11, 2023

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I'm pretty sure I have a bug on the A N V brigands quest, Rot. I'm told I can find their main base, but when I go to where it's supposed to be it doesn't pop up. Anyone else with this particular bug?

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I know Argenta is a Bride of the Emperor, but I wish I could be her sidepiece. Argenta, I showed you my warrant, please respond.

Her and Cass seem like the most OP companions so far.

Also, lol, there was no bug with the ANV quest, I was just looking in the wrong loving place even though it was highlighted on my map.

e: Also, not sure I should enjoy how much I'm making Hendrix uncomfortable by flirting with him.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Dec 12, 2023

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Further Reading posted:

No orcs at all.

Not true, there's the skull of one on your desk. A biggun, too, definitely a nob if not a full on boss.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I generally don't really love cRPG romances, though there's been a couple that have really added to my enjoyment of a playthrough (gently caress you Anders in DA2, gently caress you very much).

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
You get at least one of each of the four archetypes, and you can choose their second archetype on your own.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Chillgamesh posted:

Trying to avoid spoilers so not reading the thread too closely. Just finished act 1, killed Aurora and watched the Dark Eldar eat a star and went to Furibundus. I hadn't done anything on Rykad Majoris or Philia, did I miss anything important there?

You missed a sidequest on Philia that might end up having effects on your relationship with the Winterscale rogue trader clan later on (I'm early in act 2 and haven't had any effect from it yet)

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I'm glad to see that Jae agrees with me that Argenta is the best.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Just found the crashed black ship that got nurgled. That a neat fight at the end but ugh there was some serious graphical lag. And Iol at the option to hold Hendrix's hand while exploring the wreck.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Combat goes one of two directions. Either I get pretty good initiative rolls with Cass and Argenta and it's a romp, or I get pretty badly hosed up because all my dudes go after all their dudes.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
hmm, how do i get more of the warp stuff i need to make new paths to planets? I think I've scanned every system I could get to, didn't think I was being that profligate but I guess I was!

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

Do escort ships that get destroyed in battle go away permanently? Or do they come back next combat

They'll be back in the next fight, no worries about when they get themselves killed.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

I think it broke. I'm in Act 2, just finished the third planet (did Janus, Dargonus, factory planet). I left after the vision (Heinrix told me we weren't done, but I explored the entire map, got the data vault, did the cursed cogitator thing; only way I could progress was to tell him to gently caress off), and now nothing is happening. No main quest, no coronation. Is there somewhere I have to go? Did the quest triggers break? Wtf do I do.

Re: story progression, you get told by Henrix's Administratum mole on your capitol about upcoming Dark Eldar raids, and then have to focus on stopping those.

Re: Henrix's quest, there's a big, locked door in the middle of the map that can only be accessed by the rotating bridge, and I think you can return there after leaving so you might still be able to do the quest. I almost missed it too, and I had already gone to the door and been told I couldn't access it yet! I think the door unlocks via the cogitator in the secret room you open with the valve wheel.

Has anyone done factory planet first, and if so does that change how badly hosed up the place is? Because that'd be interesting on a second playthrough, and probably easier, but then you wouldn't get your 6 amazing meatshield servitors that can soak up a whole bunch of fire and even do some decent melee damage if they get turns. Three survived the whole way through with me even with the final fight against ||against a high level Heretek, and two Forgefiends||.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Dec 15, 2023

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Infinity Gaia posted:

Hey I ain't saying an Owlcat game ain't broken as hell on release, cuz it absolutely is. I'm just saying BG3 also was.

BG3 also cut an entire section of the game, the High City, because they ran out of time on it. That's why Karlach's story is bittersweet at best, her golden ending involved the big cut section of the game. I think it's a function of the size and scope of these games, as noted by . So long as the creator does something like what Larian has done in the past and makes a later "definitive edition" free to the folks who buy the original release buyers of the game I'm personally ok with that - I'll generally want to do more than one playthrough of something with this many paths anyways.

e: Also, BG3 is Larian's first truly big budget game. Divinity: Original Sin ended up running them 4.5m (euros, I think) and almost bankrupted them, but sold more than 2 million copies, and that success led to D:OS2 having a larger but not gargantuan budget... and that being a huge success gave them the runway needed to actually keep BG3 in development for 5+ years. With all the attendant bells and whistles.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Dec 15, 2023

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Eschatos posted:

I don't really understand how trading works. Can I just take any item I have enough profit factor to afford?

Yes.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Act 3 was pretty fun, but somehow the game forgot Jae was with me for it, so it acted like she was on the ship the whole time looking for me.

Also, the entire screen disappeared so I'm not sure I can actually play the game any further.

e: You can very slowly grind rep for just about every vendor by doing the random battles in the warp, it'll just be slow as hell.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I want Necron and Ork companions, damnit.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Used Marazhai to help me get out of Commoraugh, immediately turned him over to Heinrix upon starting act 4. Feel quite pleased with myself, gently caress that rear end in a top hat and I hope he dies in agony and then suffers for eternity.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
OTOH straight dogmatic choices lead you to off at least 4 potential party members (Jae, Idira, Yrliet, Marazhai would all go for being various levels of xeno or lawbreaking). Really, you should probably :commissar: everyone in your party for doing/being exposed to heretical things.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Nessus posted:

Do you? I don't think I did. I had two rescue chances though so I saved the commoners and the holy fusion reactor. lol at the nobles

If you get knocked out in combat you lose the debuff. You also lose otherwise permanent buffs like the +1 to AP you can get by interrupting the Chaos Space Marine's sermon.

I made the same choices you did.

pentyne posted:

You can lose Idira with no warning in an Act 2 warp encounter if you just go "gently caress it, vent the deck with the daemons on it, don't care" when you get back to the bridge suddenly you are down a party member.

Frankly, she should get blammed there because she actively summoned a daemon. That's the ultimate no-no if you're a psyker trying to not be evil!

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I'm very sad that the only Ork is a skull on your desk.

Haven't run into any Necrons yet as of the start of Act 4.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

thebardyspoon posted:

I suspect it's probably more like they felt Orks have been pretty well represented in a lot of the 40k games so they wanted to focus on some of the other stuff a bit? I've not played them all but of the ones I have played, Orks are in them a lot so this having some of the other xenos factions is pretty cool. I've heard (spoiler for a potential faction) genestealers are in it but I'm not sure if that's just genestealers the unit/monster or like, you go to a place infected by a genestealer cult, the latter would be cool as gently caress imo.

There's at least one small side mission where you run into the ship of a lost colony that got turned into a genestealer cult, and you've gotta kill some genestealers to escape.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Magni posted:

Taking Heinrix with you on that is great. Closest I've seen to him freaking out.

Was disappointed that you didn't exterminatus the site from orbit afterwards, as that's the only way to be sure.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

AnEdgelord posted:

People really overselling how many ties Inquisitor's have to Imperial Assassins


All of what you said is entirely correct, but I read the discussion about assassins to be about normal hitters, not "Eversor on lease from the Officio Assassinorum." Like, the Inquisition having moles in various planetary governments is pretty common.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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Blockhouse posted:

The Ordos what

*google*

TIME COPS???

I didn't know about this until now, but I should have guessed. Of loving course a kitchen sink setting like 40k would end up having Time Cops.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Yeah, there's a plasma gun after/near the sniper ambush in Act 1, before the final boss.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Clerical Terrors posted:

I kept romancing Heinrix on the side while also romancing Jae and Yrliet because it amused me how much he insists he's a good boy Inquisitor and won't let his feelings get the better of him and how he's clearly extremely hot and bothered by my Rogue Trader.

This. I've done the exact same thing. but I let Jae break up with me because she didn't feel like she was good enough for me.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Jack Trades posted:

What's with Plasteel being loving EVERYWHERE and used for nothing at all? Is that an Owlcat trap to make me waste my mining outposts?

You do end up needing a bunch of it for various colony projects, but generally speaking you shouldn't be mining the small (under 4 output) deposits of just about anything. Adamantine is rare enough that you probably will end up putting down extractors on small deposits.

Also, I have a UI peeve - you can't tell which systems are producing what from a mouseover. You can't even tell if you have a mine set up without going to a planet, as far as I can tell.

Nephthys posted:

So if I have Cassia specced into damage at the moment, would it make sense to make her a Master Tactician or is Grand Strategist just better so I can focus on her Navigator stuff?

Master Tactician will give her a self-buff for 0 AP that can increase a single shot's damage by up to about 400%. Grand Strategist is handy on one character, and if Cass is your only officer and you're having her buff an arch-militant or other damage dealer it's worth making her one but having the ability to light off a big fuckin' single shot on a boss is nice.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Dec 20, 2023

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Is it possible to catch (Act 4 spoiler)The genestealer cult patriarch on Dargonus? I used the Persuade option because it was my highest chance of success, and succeeded but at the end still found the chrysalis for it and no sign of the actual thing. Does going the psychic attack route work better?

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

shrike82 posted:

i've hit enough bugs in act 4 that i'm putting the game down till it gets a couple patches

in the mean time, anyone have recommendations on warham 40k books that cover stuff off the beaten track e.g., rogue traders, inquisitors etc.

The Infinite and the Divine have two cranky old Necrons constantly trying to one-up each other over several thousands of years.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I went Abe and Argenta, thinking I was gonna get jumped during the ceremony.

t3isukone posted:

I was frustrated and irritated and ready to team up with Winterscale to kill every last one of the Eldar on Quetza Temar and then BOOM Nocturne of Oblivion showed up again so I had to savescum and actually convince Winterscale to not go murder because I love that guy.

Is he just like, contractually obligated to show up during every frustrating quest to make it less/more frustrating?

I hated Quetza Temar's fuckin' maze.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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Pwnstar posted:

Chapter 2 Start - Carefully placing all my guys in optimal position at the start of a fight

Chapter 2 End - gently caress it, we ball

Yeah, it's fun when you get to the point where you can have some real swagger. Especially to any pointy eared fools who call you a mon-keigh.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Should have executed Pasqal for heresy too.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Yeah, Yrliet has stopped calling me a mon-keigh in the text lines, though her voice acted barks still have a lot of it. She's even started sticking up for me and my fellow apes in act 4 because of how I've treated her. Getting the farseer we rescued in Commoraugh to call me elentach instead of mon-keigh was also nice, even if he had to catch himself. The Eldar are dicks and it rules, and the Dark Eldar are exactly as exterminate on sight as they should be.

Also, apparently if you cause a warp incursion during your escape it results in a full on disjunction in Commoraugh, which, good. gently caress those assholes.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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Warmachine posted:

Yep, I spent zero words on Marazhai and his buddies. Well, except the ones I used to antagonize him. There's apparently an achievement for pissing him off at the governor's camp!

I got that achievement!

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

A Sometimes Food posted:

Does anyone have good 40k art to use for a character portrait. AI poo poo makes searching difficult.


Clerical Terrors posted:

I kept antagonizing him, even during the interrogation I managed to pass the persuasion check to convince him I have a secret to share to him then go "aha made you look". After all that I was surprised he wanted to join up with me at all

After Act 3 I immediately handed him over to Heinrix and the Inquisition. I just wish I could have seen his face when they took him. What the gently caress did he think was going to happen the moment he became anything less than useful to me? Pretty much the only time doing that could be justified. Yrliet doesn't deserve to be tortured to death, and Idira may need to get blammed because of her lack of control and the threat that poses because she's a psyker, but you're not gonna rehabilitate a guy who's an obligate sadistic serial killer. Some Drukhari apparently do eventually make their way to a craftworld and join a Path and stop being total monsters, but I don't see that in the cards for Marazhai.

I'd enjoy having an Exodite world Eldar companion. Just a full on country bumpkin elf who's wowed by travelling the stars even in a non-eldar ship. They bring along their trusty steed - a Tyrannosaurus.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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emSparkly posted:

Am I supposed to know where in the Expanse the Cranach system is? It seems to be central to chapter 2 but I'm kinda feeling around in the dark here.

About as far to the left as you can go in act 2, you'll need to go through the Aldermatt system to get there. I'm really curious what happens if you do that one first, before the other two protectorate worlds. Because it sounds like the chaos insurgency kicks off as you're doing the other quest, so I wonder if things are just kicking off if you go there first as Heinrix suggests.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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GoodluckJonathan posted:

Pasqual and Abby are both S rank CRPG companions.

I know a lot of people like Yrliet but I shanked her so no comment

There just isn't as much convesation to be had with them as in BG3, so I don't think there's a fair comparison between the games. Like, Cassia is an interesting character, and the fact that she'll give her servant back his voice if you say you dislike the practice of making them mutes is a very nice touch but if you're not romancing her you don't really have anything new to say to her throughout the game. She's got some interesting conversations with Argenta and Yrliet when you're bopping about. But in act iv my non-personal quest conversation topics with her are just repeating what I said to her when she first came on the ship.

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habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

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Jack Trades posted:

Lmao, I am currently doing the Pit setpiece and I just accidentally discovered that you can bypass having no equipment part by teleporting gear directly from your ship's cargo. lmao

Yeah, I actually think this is a good bug and shouild be kept. Nothing can keep a rogue trader from getting their gear!

e: poo poo, sorry for the triple post, should have just edited the first one twice.

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