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Lady Radia posted:so see im not sure im following again! im struggling with the inconsistencies here i guess lol. cause your post was all about how good it was at serious stories, and how they clashed with deep and topical themes. The thing is, WH40K essentially started as a joke. People kept joking about "what if Warhammer but in space" back in the day. So GW starting writing and releasing stuff that was GW in space, in a completely tongue in cheek way. It completely took off, and is the juggernaut it is today. There have been eras over the years where GW have treated WH40k as a complete satire, and other eras where they wanted it to be treated as the most serious, grimdark, Shakespeare in space stuff. They're sort of in a golden era with the setting right now, as they really support both ends of the spectrum. They release stuff that is turbo grimdark, and other stuff that is funny and lighthearted. There is so much media, so many game variations, so many books, that you can pick which side of the setting you want, and be completely fulfilled. Everything from the grimdark serious hell of the Horus Heresy 30k setting, all the way up to 40k kids books and Blood Bowl where orcs stomp on dwarves faces playing football. You can keep the serious and the silly separated apart, or mix them and have fun. Either way works, and either way is valid in the setting.
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CottonWolf posted:Goddammit, all this 40K talk has finally tempted me to start reading the Horus Heresy books. The sheer number has always been too intimidating... If this is your first time getting into 40k fiction, the Horus Heresy stuff might be a bit of rough start. There's a definitely great stuff in there, but it's a mix of authors, so there's some serious dogshit mixed in with the good stuff. It's also some of the most gratingly serious stuff written in 40K, to the point where it can become almost a joke how up it's own rear end it can be. Dan Abnett is top tier WH40k fiction, so anything by him is decent. The Eisenhorn books are great place to start, and the related Ravenor/Bequin books he's written that are offshoots of Eisenhorn are shaping up to be perhaps the most important lore stuff in 40k in ages. The Night Lords books by Aaron Dembski-Bowden are also top tier, but they are an example of the super grimdark, serious stuff, so your mileage may vary. If you want something more light-hearted, the Ciaphas Cain books by Alex Stewart are fairly decent. They're nowhere near as good as Abnetts stuff, and the authors bag of literary tricks is seriously limited, but it's fun to read along with a reluctant hero who'd rather be getting drunk and slacking off than being a paragon of the Imperium.
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One of the DLC trailers for Total War: Warhammer 2 showed some the lighthearted nature applied to the Warhammer Fantasy setting, with a parody of Predator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi2eHPKjW9k
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Captain Oblivious posted:Warhammer 40k is not satire and has not been satire since the 80s. It IS trying to say something about authoritarianism and theocracy being bad but that does not make it satire that just means it has a thesis. The satirical tone was, again, left back in the 80s. The modern tone especially if you delve into any of the Horus Heresy material is way more tragedy. Excellent username/post combo.
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Psycho Landlord posted:40k has two kinds of Skaven - Admech are skryre, the guard are everybody else Are the ratlings in the Guard supposed to be unofficially evolved Skaven? As for the above post, I believe STC is still supposed to be hugely important. They Admech can build the hell out of an STC item, but falter, or at least take a hell of a long time, at developing new tech. Like how even Belisarius Cawl couldn't figure out how to make the Immortus Gland when developing the Primarus Space Marines, and could only figure out how to build half of it in the form of the Magnificat. (I hate that word, GW. I know it means "soul" or something in Latin, but I don't need to be picturing magnificent cats when picturing the Primarus) Bloody Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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Colin Mockery posted:I keep wanting to get into the W40K franchise but I don't really enjoy grimdark stuff, space politics, or military fiction... You probably shouldn't get into 40k then. This is like saying you really want become a wine connoisseur, but you'd prefer if you didn't have to drink any wine in the process.
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Fat Samurai posted:Harder. Wine tasting is complete bullshit for snobs. 
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If GW ever does anything with the overall 40k storyline, and the threat of Tyranids (or the theory of something worse chasing the nids) destroying the galaxy, I would love to see every faction teaming up against the nids. Could be some very cool stories/books/games to come out of that. Like, first the Imperium teams up with the Tau, since the Tau are the least bad of the Imperiums enemies. Then the Eldar. Then reluctantly the Orks, cause the Orks would rather be krumpin' gits wit de humies than wiped out completely. Then even the Necrons, cause the Necrons will be damned if the nids get to wipe out all life in the universe before they get a chance to. Then even Chaos allies with everyone, since all the factions finally admit that Chaos is just a manifestation of their own warlike ways, and they're not going away unless everyone decides to put down their guns and play nice. Plus Chaos hates the Tyranids since they can't control or influence them, and Chaos would be awfully sad if there were no mortals left to torment for eternity. Hell, maybe the turning point could be even the Genestealer Cults allying with everyone, since ultimately they might prefer being hybrids rather than just mindless members of a nid swarm drifting through space with no biomess left in the galaxy to consume. And the it all goes to poo poo in the end and the galaxy destroys itself and GW can reboot the setting into Age of Squigmar 41k.
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One tip if reading Ciaphas Cain, don't bother reading the footnotes. 99.9% of them in the book add literally nothing, and it's not worth reading them all to find the 2 or 3 useful bits of info across the series. They gradually increase in volume as well, until the final book where it feels like a quarter of the book is just footnotes. Most of footnotes are so completely pointless that they're something like "Cain drew his laspistol, releasing a brace of shots* at the Orks." - *We can surmise that Cain must have released the safety on his pistol before firing, even though it is not stated here. Like, no was was curious or cared if he released the safety on his pistol. Next you'll have a 4 paragraph explanation of how Cain must've taken his chainsword out of it's scabbard before using it.
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FishMcCool posted:Wrong 1e Rogue Trader. In the real 1e Rogue Trader, you really wanted to be an Inquisitor: *tips Space-Fedora* M'Emperor.
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Sometimes the lore is all jammed up inside you, and you have to take a pill. Then the lore dumps out, and it's full of interesting tidbits, and corn.
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That was one thing I never understood about who the Emperor chose to become Space Marines, the protectors of mankind. Sure, Ultramarines, great choice, noble upholders of the empire of man. But then why did he choose poo poo like Konrad Curze and the world full of murderers, rapists, and murderer-rapists to create the Night Lords?! Like, have some discretion dude.
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FishMcCool posted:And of course, We're you sent by the Officio Assassinorum? No... you're a servo-skull, sent by Munitorum flacks, to collect imperial scrip.
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