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mobby_6kl posted:I glanced through the posts here, did...everyone miss that Syed's conviction was overturned and he's being released? The person bumping a months old thread didn't, no.
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Eh. Whatever. He served twenty and probably isn't gonna murder again. That poo poo mattered alot more a hundred years ago when Serial aired and we weren't starring down World War III and the next super plague.
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Thundercracker posted:Eh. Whatever. He served twenty and probably isn't gonna murder again. That poo poo mattered alot more a hundred years ago when Serial aired and we weren't starring down World War III and the next super plague. Uh, we have never not been doing that.
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I personally think he's guilty or, at the very least, knows something vital to the case and refuses to speak about it for some reason. And Sarah Koenig is either infatuated with Adnan or views herself as his white savior, either way it didn't let her be objective on a LOT of facts in the case. But this is still absolutely the right move; Adnan was definitely a victim of the state wanting to close a case quickly through whatever methods were available.
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the truest crime here is your posting op
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A Fancy Hat posted:I personally think he's guilty or, at the very least, knows something vital to the case and refuses to speak about it for some reason. And Sarah Koenig is either infatuated with Adnan or views herself as his white savior, either way it didn't let her be objective on a LOT of facts in the case. I don't buy the infatuation (although it's not great journalism to discuss with a suspect that you to believe them), but there's no story if it's not a miscarriage of justice. I wonder what the production history of Serial was like - did they go in sure they'd uncover injustice and then had to try and make a story out of it?
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A Fancy Hat posted:I personally think he's guilty or, at the very least, knows something vital to the case and refuses to speak about it for some reason. And Sarah Koenig is either infatuated with Adnan or views herself as his white savior, either way it didn't let her be objective on a LOT of facts in the case. Yeah, plus it’s a mighty big hand wave to gloss over how the victim’s family refused to participate in the podcast and they went forward with it anyway as an entertainment product. In stories about Adnan’s release the victim’s family is obviously enraged that her murder was turned into a career maker for Koenig and is associated with Best Buy pay phones and Mail Chimp.
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Sep 20, 2022 14:33
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Adnan accidentally killed her in a consensual choking encounter but was embarrassed to tell the true story.
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Strange Poon posted:I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it? People love to be contrarians, any time anyone’s conviction is overturned a bunch of online morons go “he actually did it though”, and the more famous a case is, the more people do it.
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Listening to it now, and lol that multiple people being talked to were like "well the justice system found him guilty so he must have done it".
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Listening to the new episode that was just released about him being released... https://twitter.com/wemetintheair/status/1571963358601162754
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The new episode is up, BTW. Looks like the prosecution behavior was even worse than we knew and there is another suspect who is in jail now for a sexual assault he did after the trial (who is probably about to get doxxed by reddit detectives any minute now)
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Strange Poon posted:I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it? most people are familiar with the details of the case from Serial, a podcast which did very little to cast doubt on the evidence he got convicted on, and presented the whole thing like a little parlor mystery where there was only one possible character who coulda done it.
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The police stopped looking after catching the killer? Not a good look, detectives!
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i remember being all in on the adnan innocence train til they got to the episode where they interviewed his friend who i think had allegedly helped him move the corpse or something? and the few episodes before that ol' sarah was going on and on about how this fella was the missing link that would help explain everything, but he's being evasive! and then they got in touch with him, did an interview, he sounded completely credible offered reasonable explanations for things and concluded that adnan did it. oh. on top of that the fact that he was never able to recall the details of where he was the day she went missing never sat right. i think on the show they say something like "but if you're just going about your life, normal boring day, and you were asked about it two weeks later you probably wouldn't be able to!" i'm one of the most forgetful idiot knuckleheads ever, and i could totally sit down for 5 minutes and figure it out
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Nuts and Gum posted:It’s overpriced but the generic stuff is actually tastier.  Ban this poster for spewing this mom propaganda bullshit.
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Strange Poon posted:I had zero interest in Serial and never listened to it but watched the HBO documentary. Why are so many people convinced here so convinced he did it? I listened to the podcast and watched the HBO documentary. The HBO doc is a collaboration with Rabia Chaudry, the attorney and family friend who is convinced of his innocence. So many parts of the story are really sad because ACAB and the justice system is a racist mess, but the fatal flaw is that they use that to overshadow the actual murder. A girl was murdered and her family hates us for even talking about it. Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah, plus it’s a mighty big hand wave to gloss over how the victim’s family refused to participate in the podcast and they went forward with it anyway as an entertainment product. In stories about Adnan’s release the victim’s family is obviously enraged that her murder was turned into a career maker for Koenig and is associated with Best Buy pay phones and Mail Chimp. They had moved back to South Korea! Their statement said it was horribly painful for them to talk about and that a 6 hour podcast about the murder of their daughter with a bunch of gotchas and what if's doesn't change what they saw in the hundreds of hours they spent in courtrooms. Put another way, by the family of Ron Goldman (the other guy OJ Simpson murdered) when the FX show came out a few years ago: "I don't know what the probative value is of the show—it's everywhere all over again and people are all, ‘Oh, the acting is riveting and this is such a great plot line,' and I'm thinking these are murders. It's very confusing to us because this is not entertainment…This show just kind of ripped the Band-Aid right back off, poured gallons of salt in it,"
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Yes, it is good that we are getting a re-trial here, because the original proceedings were awful & a clear miscarriage of justice. Yes, Adnan Syed in all likelihood *did* do the murder. https://theintercept.com/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/ ** Jay Wilds did not come to the conclusion that Syed did the murder, he seems to be quite certain of it. He was upset that Syed revealed the body-in-the-trunk in to him front of his grandmother's house, blackmailing him into helping him bury it. Once Wilds got reassurances from the police that they weren't interested in his petty weed dealing he went ahead and threw Syed under a bus. If someone was pretty clearly grooming me to take the rap for a murder they'd committed I'd get irked also! It looks like there's some energy in getting someone already stuck in prison to take the blame for the murder, which is usually the easiest way out in a situation like this. Syed is something of a public figure now and unlikely to straight up murder anybody. As far as the whole discussion goes, the thing that really bugs me is this notion that a murder committed as a teenager-- "in a fit of rage, c'mon!" -- shouldn't ruin a young man's entire life. I kinda think that it should. Like, where the hell are we getting this notion like "Who amongst us *hasn't* strangled their high school girlfriend in a fit of rage?" Dude got an unfair trial, he gets a new trial. That was the only miscarriage of justice I'm aware of. The actual murder was unforgivable, right... right? I'm not really aware of any mitigating circumstances to justify the killing, no matter who did it -- she wasn't, like, traffiking minors or anything as far as I know. **Sorry to link to anything vaguely related to Glenn Greenwald, the Intercept just happened to scoop this one a few years back.
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i assume none of us knew her personally, so we can only really speculate as to how much hae min lee deserved to be murdered
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mmmm posted:
Yeah it’s super easy to get out of a situation like this, just find a guy who is in prison for a similar crime and has his dna all over the victim. It’s what these “wrongfully convicted” guys always do!
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Why is it called Serial if he only killed one person, that's like the lamest serial killer of all time.
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She knew he was going to get out.
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Serial season one was a very addictive and maddening listen, I felt icky afterward to have craved entertainment from someone's murder. Sarah Koenig is an awful person, and murder entertainment is made by awful people for other awful people.
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doctorfrog posted:Serial season one was a very addictive and maddening listen, I felt icky afterward to have craved entertainment from someone's murder. Sarah Koenig is an awful person, and murder entertainment is made by awful people for other awful people. A particularly bad one was the HBO series on the Golden State Killer, where a large amount of the content was Patton Oswalt discussing how he met his wife. They then recapped every detail from a crime scene in a creepy voyeuristic way and you got the vibe if the show creators could make the murders interactive in VR they would.
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the best cereal is crispix i bet i could eat a whole box of crispix (in bowl w/ whole milk obvs)
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kntfkr posted:the best cereal is crispix Crispix is P good. Shredded Wheat is awesome too.
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Really, the season they did (or I guess they just produced but considered an independent entity) on the Trojan Horse Affair in the UK was equally frustrating. They weren't able to get interviews with some of the most key people, and they unfolded the story in a way that was more designed to keep up the hook than to elucidate the issue. There was a tremendously clear thesis for that series, about how racism in the UK can cause people to accept outrageous lies about Muslims, but the way the story was told kept on adding "but then again..." moments that diluted their point.
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Serial was good, but then they milked it for too long, and now it is just mushy crap!
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:most people are familiar with the details of the case from Serial, a podcast which did very little to cast doubt on the evidence he got convicted on, and presented the whole thing like a little parlor mystery where there was only one possible character who coulda done it. canyoneer posted:I listened to the podcast and watched the HBO documentary. The HBO doc is a collaboration with Rabia Chaudry, the attorney and family friend who is convinced of his innocence. Ahh okay, I think I understand now, thank you.
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i mean, them overturning the case doesn't mean he's innocent. in this case, it was found that the prosecution withheld evidence that COULD have helped the defense, which doesn't necessarily mean they withheld something that completely exonerated him. its a technicality and certainly doesn't make the prosecutors look good, but they have a month to decide if they want to try him again. even then, if they don't try him it doesn't mean innocence, only that prosecutors don't have enough to prove he did it without reasonable doubt. that said, i never did listen to serial or know much about the case despite partaking in some true crime media. i will say a much better podcast would be in the dark. specifically because they tend to cover cases of true crime where the police and prosecutors gently caress up everything they can. the curtis flowers seasons was especially infuriating, and evidence that they gathered for the show was used to finally exonerate him with prejudice after being tried 6 times. its excellent journalism and really fuels the ol' ACAB engines.
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Just listen to last podcast on the left, it's garbage but at least it's entertaining. I tried a Canadian true crime podcast before but had to quit it cause the lady running it was smooching cops too much
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Thranguy posted:Someone had to have done it and there are no other plausible suspects. There are two other suspects that they didn't really look into. Remember kids, cops don't want to solve crimes they just want to close cases. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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kntfkr posted:the best cereal is crispix this is very true
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ninjoatse.cx posted:TAL just can’t hold my interest anymore. I don’t know if I outgrew it or if it just became worse. IMO it's been ungood for a real long time. I mean, I dunno what it's like now because I stopped listening like seven years ago, but it was at its best when it was a mostly light, charming collection of fiction and nonfiction related to how idiosyncratic Americans can be. When I left the show, it had transitioned to poo poo like Ira solemnly intoning: "15 men, all veterans, abandoned by their families and country alike, all dying of cancer, formed a community in an abandoned mall. What happened next was all too predictable; the mall flooded, driving the veterans out, out into world that had exiled them, where it was quickly discovered they were all convicted pedophiles. Then the mall burned down because the flood water was so polluted that it could do that; Wet-Blaze the locals called the phenomenon, until they also died of cancer caused by carcinogens in the mall smoke. Now no one calls it anything. No one but their orphaned children, and the lone surviving pedophile veteran who has sworn to take care of them all. But that's just where the story begins; for the next three weeks we will be following it through to the bitter end. I'm Ira Glass and this is... White Yuppie Bummer Hour." Like, the older episodes could get heavy too, but they'd sandwich that poo poo between a story about a man who is getting into the highly competitive tortoise lookalike circuit, and a David Sedaris story about a small clown named Borfo. E: Also season 1 of Serial was ok. mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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It was the first podcast ever to exist so it is important in that sense.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:It was the first podcast ever to exist so it is important in that sense. it came from the first website, so this makes sense
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Did adnan do it? He had a clear and compelling motive, was the last person to see the victim alive, had a witness who alleged he helped him bury the body, had no other people with anything close to a convincing motive except for some nomadic serial killer they never caught and aren't sure even exists and doesn't fit the MO but some girl in the library vaguely recalls seeing him and the dude who was a witness was black and sold weed a couple times so who knows? BIG FLUFFY DOG fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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what I remember about Serial was in season 2 they interviewed some black ops guy for like 3 minutes about cool black ops poo poo then just dropped it i used to like this podcast called This Is Actually Happening because it was stories about wild poo poo people went through, like escaping a cult, or surviving pirates attacking a cargo ship you're working on. But now it is just stories of people telling about profound and horrible abuse and tragedy.
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Casefile was nice, dry, and factual true crime, but I haven't listened to it in a couple of years. Is it still good?
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Wilkins Micawber posted:Serial Mom? For some reason I watched that VHS like a dozen times as a child. Probably hosed me up. One of Johmn Waters' best WHITE SHOES AFTER LABOR DAY
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