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Polly Pickpocket posted:First para - the police went after Adnan and found out Jay borrowed his car and phone that day. He's stated that he was scared the police would arrest him for dealing. I don't know about anyone's motivations after that, all I'm saying is the circumstances are dodgy AF. I don't think that you have a plausible theory of the crime. I don't see a likely reason why Jay would falsely implicate himself and Adnan in the murder of Adnan's ex-girlfriend. Alternate Theory 1: I don't believe that e.g. Jay killed Adnan's ex-girlfriend and was trying to pin it on Adnan. Where is the motive for Jay to kill Adnan's ex-girlfriend? Alternate Theory 2: If you believe that there is absolutely no truth to Jay's testimony--it was 100% made up by the cops and Jay was forced under coercion by the police to implicate himself and Adnan in the murder of Adnan's ex-girlfriend, then you also have to believe things like: 1) the below sequence of police interviews in the case files was a false flag operation silence_kit posted:- Police pull Adnan's cell phone call logs, and find a call to/from Jenn. 2) Jenn's personal lawyer advised her to potentially implicate herself in the crime, to lie, and to go along with the police conspiracy to frame Adnan 3) Jay did not actually lead the cops to Adnan's ex-girlfriend's car. Multiple people in the Baltimore police department earlier found her car, conspired to hide the car, only to have Jay reveal it at an opportune time to support the case I'm sorry, but I don't find that believable at all. You've really got to be ideologically committed to Adnan's innocence to believe stuff like that. If you do believe stuff like that, then why didn't the police just plant Adnan's DNA all over the crime scene? If you believe in stuff like that, there is no amount of evidence that could convince you that Adnan committed the crime. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:I'm starting to understand why true crime "community" is universally maligned as weird freaks, thanks thread!
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I think you should be a little more honest about why you do not like my posts. I suspect that the real reason why you don't like them is because they aren't unambiguously anti-cop.
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no you've resurrected the worst part of Serial, bored white people coming up with labyrinthine theories and using it to argue about politics!
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I absolutely think he did it, because the podcast and Sarah Koenig's unrequited love are a lot funnier that way and I'd prefer it to be like that.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:no you've resurrected the worst part of Serial, bored white people coming up with labyrinthine theories and using it to argue about politics! I think their objection (not yours, but theirs) is that my posts have the WRONG politics, not that they involve politics. My speculation about why Adnan was released is indeed speculation, but it can easily be disproven if more information about the investigation gets released. I am very skeptical though that we will hear anything more about the investigation when the press about Adnan being released dies down however.
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silence_kit posted:I think their objection (not yours, but theirs) is that my posts have the WRONG politics, not that they involve politics. I haven't mentioned a single thing about politics in this thread. You're posting multi-page screeds with elaborate point-by-point breakdowns on your personal theory about this murder, based on what even you admit is an incomplete amount of information. That's gross and weird. This woman's murder was a tragedy, it isn't some argument you can actually win. Hence... Colonel Cancer posted:I'm starting to understand why true crime "community" is universally maligned as weird freaks, thanks thread!
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Me in this thread: People still remember things from 2015 somehow? Completely wild I feel bad for the dead teen's family.
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LanceHunter posted:You're posting multi-page screeds with elaborate point-by-point breakdowns on your personal theory about this murder, based on what even you admit is an incomplete amount of information. That's gross and weird. This woman's murder was a tragedy, it isn't some argument you can actually win. Hence... Caring about a thing enough to articulate specifics? What a sick loser!
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LanceHunter posted:I haven't mentioned a single thing about politics in this thread. You're posting multi-page screeds with elaborate point-by-point breakdowns on your personal theory about this murder, based on what even you admit is an incomplete amount of information. That's gross and weird. This woman's murder was a tragedy, it isn't some argument you can actually win. Hence... You made a post about how it is politically incorrect to create narratives surrounding Adnan about how he was an honors student and his mom thinks that he is a great guy, so how could he be capable of committing the crime? It’s not my own personal theory about the murder. It’s the theory of the prosecution of the original case. If you REALLY believe that Hae Min Lee’s murder was a tragedy, then I think you should be a little disgusted in the way Adnan was released. Hae Min Lee’s family is objecting to it, as they should be. The new prosecutor is basically just stopping short at saying that he was innocent but is offering extremely flimsy justifications for it. They didn’t find his DNA on a pair of shoes and instead found 4 other people’s DNA? What? Was it other suspects’ DNA? “No comment.” I question whether they are really investigating alternate suspects. They should have just honestly said: “Adnan has done enough time for his crime, given that he was only a juvenile” and released him. I would have been ok with that. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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what in the sam hell is going on in here is there any news or is it people just theorizing stuff
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The news says you did it.
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some guy cracked the only case he's heard of from a neighborhood that sees a murder or two a year and is now triggering us all with facts and logic, I'd say that's newsworthy
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Who killed her? Was it the recent ex-boyfriend who told people he was going to kill her? The one who's friend saw the body and helped bury it and told multiple people about it and how he was scared of Adnan before the police talked to him and knew where the car was before the police? Or was it someone else? 
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Jose Valasquez posted:Who killed her? Alec Baldwin probably.
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Something something information that will lead to the arrest of Hilary Clinton something.
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what exactly were people expecting the discussion to be about
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Dude almost assuredly did it, but spent over 20 years in the american prison system and the prosecution commited some pretty clear Brady violations. Release seems like the right and ethical decision. Edit: Though I agree that framing it as due to emergent exculpatory evidence reeks of rear end protecting.
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Caesar Saladin posted:I absolutely think he did it, because the podcast and Sarah Koenig's unrequited love are a lot funnier that way and I'd prefer it to be like that. She's embarrassingly horny for Adnan during the podcast; and her producer(intern?) is like, "gross"
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Crespolini posted:what exactly were people expecting the discussion to be about I don't know, but it's loving tedious and stupid that people who don't like true crime podcasts feel the need to let us all know that, in a thread about a famous true crime podcast
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fishing with the fam posted:Edit: Though I agree that framing it as due to emergent exculpatory evidence reeks of rear end protecting. Yeah, Adnan's 'exoneration' is very likely a publicity stunt. edit: It could have been a ploy to look good for a jury. The State's Attorney for Baltimore is currently indicted for federal fraud and perjury charges. Initially, her trial was scheduled for Sept. 16, and got postponed to March 23rd 2023. The motion to vacate Adnan's sentence was filed right before the jury selection was scheduled to take place for the now-delayed September 16th trial. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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Devils advocate: If they don't have enough evidence to keep him, even though he probably did it, isn't it worth throwing out this alternate DNA theory to give him some chance at rehabilitation and a normal life?
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Idk, do a pod abt it
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Annabel Pee posted:Devils advocate: If they don't have enough evidence to keep him, even though he probably did it, isn't it worth throwing out this alternate DNA theory to give him some chance at rehabilitation and a normal life? After the trial you don't need extra evidence to maintain a verdict. Plus he's never going to have a normal life because he's a murderer.
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I don't know, but it's loving tedious and stupid that people who don't like true crime podcasts feel the need to let us all know that, in a thread about a famous true crime podcast sorta my point kinda
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moths posted:After the trial you don't need extra evidence to maintain a verdict. please, he's going to have his own hit podcast within a year
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Crespolini posted:sorta my point kinda I was agreeing with you
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he's definitely learned some new and exciting techniques from his 20 years in prison to murder his next girlfriend, I can't wait to see what he does next
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To the people saying 20 years is enough if he did it…no?? He took someone’s whole rear end life!
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i mean she could have gotten hit by a car later that day and lingered on in pain for a few months. we cant ever know for sure, seems messed up to take 20+ years from a person just because they took a few weeks from someone else.
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remigious posted:To the people saying 20 years is enough if he did it…no?? He took someone’s whole rear end life! On top of that the murder very much was first degree murder. It was premediated and deliberate. On the other hand, Adnan was only a 17 year old kid when he killed his ex-girlfriend. I tend to agree that we should not treat the actions of minors with the same level of culpability as an adult. They don't have the same level of judgment as adults. Serving 20 years in prison for the crime I don't think is unfair.
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remigious posted:To the people saying 20 years is enough if he did it…no?? He took someone’s whole rear end life! Him spending his entire life in jail isn't gonna bring Hae back. If he has been rehabilitated and is unlikely to be a danger to society he should be released. Considering he hasn't admitted to doing it there isn't a lot of evidence he's rehabilitated though.
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She could have gone on to kill five people so Adnan just answered a trolley problem, which is to get an exonerating podcast
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love adnan or hate him, you have to admit that thanks to the butterfly effect 9/11 would have gone very differently had he not did what he did. maybe better, maybe worse.
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20 years isn't unreasonable, from a quick search in the UK someone under 18 could be out in 12 years for murder. Maybe a bit more for premediated but not by much: https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/
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Average jail time for first-degree murder in Maryland is 17 years according to this website: https://bflawmd.com/average-maximum-jail-time-common-crimes/
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Powerful Katrinka posted:I was agreeing with you oh yeah? well i was agreeing with you, tough guy
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We should make him promise not to do it again. If he does, we'll let him know we're very cross with him and he's not allowed McDonald's.
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Crespolini posted:oh yeah? well i was agreeing with you, tough guy Them's agreein' words, mister. You wanna take this outside, it's a really nice day and we could get coffee
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