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OgNar posted:Mon-Tues are court days. Also- decontaminating Trump's seat and the surrounding blast radius
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Why is the trial taking a vacation today? thousands of years later we still observe this sacred day.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Explains why he was assigned this defendant. Does Trump still have to show up AFAIK no, he’s free to campaign. Edit: oh duh. Joke. I like jokes
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is the answer. American laws are deliberately written such as to only deter the poor. Yep. If the punishment for an offense is a fine, it's only a crime for the poor. For the rich it's the cost of doing business.
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Discendo Vox posted:Can you find any references to the code or regulation? I may be able to track it down. I woke up and read it more closely and the sliding scale is apparently only for striking unions or the company that the strike is against if they don't do their negotiations in a good-faith, timely manner. Presumably to keep either side from using the 'public necessity' of their jobs as leverage in the negotiations. Which is a weird, if rather New Yorkian, exception.
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https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1783239090437063079 Maybe he is just out buying thermal underwear for the courtroom.
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OgNar posted:Maybe he is just out buying thermal underwear for the courtroom. Pillow and court appropriate pyjamas.
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He tried to campaign today but realised he'd have to climb uphill, me boys. No I can't get that loving line out of my head.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:41
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Trump is just practicing self-care.
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The Bible posted:I tried to believe this thread's confidence in the legal system was justified, I really did, but this is all just too much. part of me wants to say that you have made a fairly risky toxx bet. but it has to have been loving hilarious so far, because all i can really do is say WELL mister the bible, I'll have you know that today something ALMOST happened. It is the ALMOSTEST he has ever come to consequences, and furthermore,
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Isn't he already out about $270M from the Trump Org and Carroll bonds posted (which he likely isn't getting back) on top of lawyer fees?
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OgNar posted:https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1783239090437063079 wednesday is always the best day on the course.
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i mean i cant help but feel the existing monetary penalties for trump are kind of abstract, outside of being a howling narcissistic injury (like literally every other light breeze or pushback in his life). like he'll lose more money than ill ever have multiple times a month but it doesn't really impact his ability to live in absolute luxury and surround himself with ego fluffer sycophants on the daily i gotta go with the mental standard of not considering him having had Consequences! until he's wearing a jumpsuit in a cell with an open air toilet
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Tayter Swift posted:Isn't he already out about $270M from the Trump Org and Carroll bonds posted (which he likely isn't getting back) on top of lawyer fees? Staluigi posted:i mean i cant help but feel the existing monetary penalties for trump are kind of abstract, outside of being a howling narcissistic injury (like literally every other light breeze or pushback in his life). like he'll lose more money than ill ever have multiple times a month but it doesn't really impact his ability to live in absolute luxury and surround himself with ego fluffer sycophants on the daily Consequences don't count unless they are very specific consequences, it seems.
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Does Trump continually nodding off in court contribute at all to him being found in contempt, especially with a judge who has already had enough of his (and his lawyers') poo poo in other ways? (Bonus: He was quoted in The Bulwark as saying "I’m catching up on my loving sleep ’cause I’m bored.")
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Kchama posted:Consequences don't count unless they are very specific consequences, it seems. If I was getting fined, I wouldn't be happy about it, but he's paid a lot of fines before, and it doesn't seem to have changed his lifestyle. I think it's fair to assume rich people, especially a former and possibly future president who owns an enormous property portfolio, don't experience financial consequences the way you and I do. I think wanting to see a really lovely, really rich man in jail is understandable because of how novel it would be, to see a really powerful person go to jail? Who's the last? There isn't one. We have never been able to meaningfully prosecute and jail anyone of his stature. We've never even tried. And I think it's fair to say a lot of people don't see us as a country covering ourselves in glory the first time we maybe inch up to the idea that everyone is subject to the law the way my poor rear end was when the cops smelled weed outside my house. It tastes sweet, just the thought of it, and maybe you should ponder a bit more on why that kind of specific consequence seems to matter so much to the little people. selec fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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OgNar posted:https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1783239090437063079 Maybe Donald took a break for Passover too. I kid I kid.
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Hirayuki posted:Does Trump continually nodding off in court contribute at all to him being found in contempt, especially with a judge who has already had enough of his (and his lawyers') poo poo in other ways? (Bonus: He was quoted in The Bulwark as saying "I’m catching up on my loving sleep ’cause I’m bored.")
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Pablo Bluth posted:Any sane person should consider a sleeping Trump the optimum state when your have to be in his company. Sleep just means the poo poo comes out of his rear end instead of his mouth. The net result is the same.
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Apr 25, 2024 00:26
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selec posted:If I was getting fined, I wouldn't be happy about it, but he's paid a lot of fines before, and it doesn't seem to have changed his lifestyle. I think it's fair to assume rich people, especially a former and possibly future president who owns an enormous property portfolio, don't experience financial consequences the way you and I do. The consequences being talked about was the hundreds of millions of judgements, which is certainly a consequence. It's just not him in jail. Also "Who's the last?", uhh Epstein? It's not literally unheard of for rich and powerful to go to jail. In 2020 a Fentanyl-maker exec went to jail and he was a billionaire. Raj Rajaratnam went to jail in 2009, also a billionaire. At least a dozen other richie riches are currently in prison that I could find with just a couple minutes of googling. It is farce to claim that a really lovely, really rich man is immune from jail. Like the only thing keeping Trump particularly safe is that he was able to use the presidency to shield himself from the worst prosecution.
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Hirayuki posted:Does Trump continually nodding off in court contribute at all to him being found in contempt, especially with a judge who has already had enough of his (and his lawyers') poo poo in other ways? (Bonus: He was quoted in The Bulwark as saying "I’m catching up on my loving sleep ’cause I’m bored.") Unlikely. Unless he starts snoring loudly or nods off on the witness stand while people are asking questions, napping isn't particularly disruptive to the courtroom.
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Cimber posted:Mueller She Wrote From a more reliable source, the Washington Post. Gift link: https://wapo.st/4aOOO1s WaPo posted:Those indicted include former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, attorneys Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman and Christina Bobb, top campaign adviser Boris Epshteyn and former campaign aide Mike Roman. They are accused of allegedly aiding an unsuccessful strategy to award the state’s electoral votes to Trump instead of Biden after the 2020 election. Also charged are the Republicans who signed paperwork on Dec. 14, 2020, that falsely purported Trump was the rightful winner, including former state party chair Kelli Ward, state Sens. Jake Hoffman and Anthony Kern, and Tyler Bowyer, a GOP national committeeman and chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, the campaign arm of the pro-Trump conservative group Turning Point USA.
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I honestly think Rudy's gonna croak from the stress of being in such deep poo poo.
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Indictment is here, although Rudy's name is weirdly redacted. This is always funny though: quote:The following individuals are included as unindicted members of the
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BlackIronHeart posted:I honestly think Rudy's gonna croak from the stress of being in such deep poo poo. 
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Tayter Swift posted:Indictment is here, although Rudy's name is weirdly redacted. Are they seriously going after Jimmy? He's just lost his wife after all. Heartless.
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Kchama posted:The consequences being talked about was the hundreds of millions of judgements, which is certainly a consequence. It's just not him in jail. Epstein ran with presidents, but wasn't one. We're talking top dogs here. Cabinet members--an extremely rare bird to ever see the inside of a jail. You're calling out random rich dudes who, for all the evil they did, didn't sit atop the globe-spanning empire. We're taking on a new challenge here, this is nothing we've ever attempted before. This is literally our chance, as we've never had it before, to really drive home that whole nobody is above the law thing, and we're not doing a great job of making that clear to people who have actually experienced not being above the law. He is not being treated the way a person without power would, and it's plainly obvious to me, having had been subject to the criminal justice system as well.
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The Question IRL posted:One thing I'll say about all the "none of this matters. Trump is immune to consequences. " Well, that's why he is immune to consequences. He has the resources and help needed to constantly grind the legal system to a halt, and it seems the legal system is powerless to deal with it. Staluigi posted:part of me wants to say that you have made a fairly risky toxx bet. but it has to have been loving hilarious so far, because all i can really do is say WELL mister the bible, I'll have you know that today something ALMOST happened. It is the ALMOSTEST he has ever come to consequences, and furthermore, The Toxx is over a year old now. I've not tried to hide it or distract from it. I've just not been wrong (about incarceration) in that entire time. Kchama posted:Consequences don't count unless they are very specific consequences, it seems. I specifically stated in the Toxx that he would never face incarceration of any kind, including house arrest. A single day and I'm out of your hair forever. Tayter Swift posted:Isn't he already out about $270M from the Trump Org and Carroll bonds posted (which he likely isn't getting back) on top of lawyer fees? Paid those out, did he? Probe me again if you want, but this isn't white noise. People are discussing what I'm saying and trying to point out areas where the rich aren't immune. I'm contributing to the thread, just not in a way that makes the legal system look fair or balanced. If that's what is required to post here, a mod really should just come out and say it. The Bible fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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selec posted:Epstein ran with presidents, but wasn't one. We're talking top dogs here. Cabinet members--an extremely rare bird to ever see the inside of a jail. You're calling out random rich dudes who, for all the evil they did, didn't sit atop the globe-spanning empire. We're taking on a new challenge here, this is nothing we've ever attempted before. This is literally our chance, as we've never had it before, to really drive home that whole nobody is above the law thing, and we're not doing a great job of making that clear to people who have actually experienced not being above the law. He is not being treated the way a person without power would, and it's plainly obvious to me, having had been subject to the criminal justice system as well. He's being treated carefully, sure, but it's not like he's gotten away scott-free. And his trial isn't even over yet so it's not like we can say he's completely immune. People keep demanding he be thrown in contempt for stuff that doesn't normally get you thrown into contempt, even for poor people. The Bible posted:I specifically stated in the Toxx that he would never face incarceration of any kind, including house arrest. We weren't talking about your toxx.
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Kchama posted:He's being treated carefully, sure, but it's not like he's gotten away scott-free. And his trial isn't even over yet so it's not like we can say he's completely immune. People keep demanding he be thrown in contempt for stuff that doesn't normally get you thrown into contempt, even for poor people. Almost 4 years ago, he attempted to overthrow a presidential election. He created sets of fake electors. He encouraged the Vice President to nullify the vote and hand the election to him. He has described wrestling for control of the car with the Secret Service to attend said insurrection. Something should have loving happened by now, but instead, he is being allowed to try to run for President again. Falling asleep in court is the least of the issues at hand here. quote:We weren't talking about your toxx. Apologies.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Any sane person should consider a sleeping Trump the optimum state when your have to be in his company. Ignore any usual rules of court decorum, let him sleep and prey to god he doesn't wake.... Let sleeping Trumps lie, LIKE A DOG
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The Bible posted:Almost 4 years ago, he attempted to overthrow a presidential election. He created sets of fake electors. He encouraged the Vice President to nullify the vote and hand the election to him. He has described wrestling for control of the car with the Secret Service to attend said insurrection. It's fine, don't worry about it. And well, it is VERY hard to ban people from running for president. Especially since the Supreme Court says that Congress basically has to be the one to do it, and no one else can do so.
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Kchama posted:Consequences don't count unless they are very specific consequences, it seems. He's de facto being shielded from consequences by all his donors and his lawyers. Getting fined millions or billions means nothing if other people will pay it for you while there is 0 net effect on your life as a result of that.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:He's de facto being shielded from consequences by all his donors and his lawyers. It barely matters even if they don't. Trump is rich enough on paper that he could lose a billion dollars and not have it meaningfully impact his lifestyle. Marginal utility is a pain in the rear end. Past a certain level of wealth it seems functionally impossible to ever be truly poor. It is part of why fines against the rich don't repay work. For a lot of them all you are doing is lowering their high score. Annoying, and in the case of a narciccist I bet it stings more than most, but trump will never feel the sting of a billion dollar fine the way your average person feels the sting of a thousand dollar fine.
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Kchama posted:The consequences being talked about was the hundreds of millions of judgements, which is certainly a consequence. It's just not him in jail. The fact that enough rich people go to prison that prison consultant is a thing gives me some comfort. Can't you guys at least find comfort in the fact that Trump is miserable? Lammasu fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Lammasu posted:The fact that enough rich people go to prison that prison consultant is a thing gives me some comfort. Can't you guys at least find comfort in the fact that Trump is miserable? I don't give a poo poo if he's miserable, I just want him to stop making the rest of the country miserable to feed his ego.
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TGG posted:I just want him to get COVID again but it to stick this time. Not hoping for anything but drat you nature, you owe us something at this point. Just send him to party with Bolsonaro.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:Just send him to party with Bolsonaro. *Obi-Wan voice* He's more impacted fecal mass now than man...
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