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Xiahou Dun posted:I want to get ahead of something before it's too late. The Nodfather
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Velocity Raptor posted:Jesus, I feel like anyone could be a successful prosecutor against Trump.
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SpelledBackwards posted:Trump supporters will probably say things like "he wasn't under oath in the press conference! He can say whatever he wants and it's just words! Remember a little thing called the First Amendment?"
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Slo-Tek posted:One of my jury pools for a DUI had this Brooks Brothers looking dork in the pool, called his number, and I think the prosecution stated rather than inquired "You are a lawyer". Potential juror said "Yes, but I work in corporate tax law". Defense and prosecution both "Get Out." Not intending to revive jurychat, but I loved this anecdote not for the idea that he was rejected immediately because he was a lawyer, or a corporate tax lawyer, but because with that pedigree he 100% without a doubt had done a DUI many times before. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh no, the photo sequence as he is booked into jail and forced to wear jail clothes is very important. Do they still shave prisoners' heads to reduce lice? That's what I want - finally, a look at his actual hairline.
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Sarcastro posted:Do they still shave prisoners' heads to reduce lice? That's what I want - finally, a look at his actual hairline. In my state they only do that if you are going into the department of corrections (prison) which requires a sentence of more than 90 days. Otherwise you are just in county jail and they don't shear you.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I want to get ahead of something before it's too late. Cheeto Benito MeSoSleepy
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1780406708617048336 Witness tampering is constitutional.
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48 Hour Boner posted:Snore-me Doniels
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Cimber posted:I didn't know this but.... having this guy as a client got to take five years off your life minimum
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Sarcastro posted:Not intending to revive jurychat, but I loved this anecdote not for the idea that he was rejected immediately because he was a lawyer, or a corporate tax lawyer, but because with that pedigree he 100% without a doubt had done a DUI many times before. The Preet Bharara podcast had an episode last week with Joyce Vance and Mimi Rocah called "The Art of Jury Selection". When they were talking about disqualification of jurors Joyce mentioned that her office had a habit of disqualifying astrophysicists (apparently there was a large number of them in the district she was in). She explained that the science types were usually very exacting in a 2+2 must equal 4 which you couldn't always show in the evidence, so those jurors would usually vote to acquit. It boggled me when I first heard it, though I appreciated her candor in explanation.
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I have been Super Busy for the last two months and not had time to follow Trump's legal woes as closely as I would like. I THOUGHT the only case with a risk of prison before the election was the one in Florida with an obviously biased judge who was going to push things back to after the election. It looks like the New York case, which is also a criminal case, is now half done with jury selection? Did I misunderstand the situation or has the situation changed? If jury selection is halfway done now won't the trial likely be finished long before the election, possibly resulting in prison for Trump before the election?
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Donkringel posted:The Preet Bharara podcast had an episode last week with Joyce Vance and Mimi Rocah called "The Art of Jury Selection". When they were talking about disqualification of jurors Joyce mentioned that her office had a habit of disqualifying astrophysicists (apparently there was a large number of them in the district she was in). I once attended a talk by Neil deGrasse Tyson (back before he lost his loving mind) where he mentioned being dismissed from jury duty because he asked why the prosecution was using a particular unit of measurement for a drug charge. I think it was something like referring to 10,000 milligrams instead of 10 grams.
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Was it a case of using a smaller measurement bigger number to mislead the jury into thinking the quantities were large. Cos it sure sounds like it.
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Pikavangelist posted:I once attended a talk by Neil deGrasse Tyson (back before he lost his loving mind) where he mentioned being dismissed from jury duty because he asked why the prosecution was using a particular unit of measurement for a drug charge. I think it was something like referring to 10,000 milligrams instead of 10 grams. Apparently he's been rejected multiple times for jury duty. Here's a clip about witness testimony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRLj7bBCgI4 E: Found a clip of what you're referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-lqO1dnX4&t=212s Velocity Raptor fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Donkringel posted:The Preet Bharara podcast had an episode last week with Joyce Vance and Mimi Rocah called "The Art of Jury Selection". When they were talking about disqualification of jurors Joyce mentioned that her office had a habit of disqualifying astrophysicists (apparently there was a large number of them in the district she was in). That is interesting, and it makes sense - they'd be the type to forget that part of "beyond a reasonable doubt" is "reasonable."
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Diogines posted:I have been Super Busy for the last two months and not had time to follow Trump's legal woes as closely as I would like. I THOUGHT the only case with a risk of prison before the election was the one in Florida with an obviously biased judge who was going to push things back to after the election. No, all of your assumptions are wrong. He has 4 criminal cases : the NY state hush-money trial, the federal trial in Florida for the documents, the federal trial in DC for conspiracy to gently caress with the election and the Georgia state RICO. In theory all of these can have prison time, but  who knows.The NY trial is happening now (obviously) ; the trial in DC is on hold because the Supreme Court wants to decide if Presidents are immune to criminal prosecution (oral arguments next week) ; Florida is dragging because the judge is a chud so that's taking forever ; Georgia is a big long complicated thing and who knows when that's gonna happen. He's unlikely to see prison for the NY charges because he's somehow a first-time offender, but we'll see. His chances of being in prison before the election are quite low, just barely above "technically extant".
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Xiahou Dun posted:No, all of your assumptions are wrong. I wonder though if he gets probation in the NY case, will he be allowed out of state? I'd love to see him get community service + probation for a few years. Pictures of him picking up garbage on the side of the Grand Central Expressway would be priceless.
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Diogines posted:I have been Super Busy for the last two months and not had time to follow Trump's legal woes as closely as I would like. I THOUGHT the only case with a risk of prison before the election was the one in Florida with an obviously biased judge who was going to push things back to after the election. The charges in the NY case are relatively minor felonies and Trump has no prior criminal record. Assuming donny wriggles is convicted, a jail sentence is possible but not particularly likely.
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Also, don't forget about the appeal in the New York case, which could take several more months during which he is likely to remain free in any event.
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Donkringel posted:The Preet Bharara podcast had an episode last week with Joyce Vance and Mimi Rocah called "The Art of Jury Selection". When they were talking about disqualification of jurors Joyce mentioned that her office had a habit of disqualifying astrophysicists (apparently there was a large number of them in the district she was in). They also famously like to disqualify anyone who's been to law school. In general, no lawyer wants to have to deal with a juror who thinks they're smarter than you. Clarste fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Ah yes the Dunning-Juror.
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Hobologist posted:Also, don't forget about the appeal in the New York case, which could take several more months during which he is likely to remain free in any event. It's actually extraordinarily rare for criminal defendants to be allowed to remain free pending appeal. It's theoretically possible because Donny Wriggles but . . .I mean vanishingly rare, "the defendant is about to be pardoned anyway" rare.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's actually extraordinarily rare for criminal defendants to be allowed to remain free pending appeal. It's theoretically possible because Donny Wriggles but . . .I mean vanishingly rare, "the defendant is about to be pardoned anyway" rare. Yeah but that’s the civil appeal.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah but that’s the civil appeal. I think they're saying if Trump was convicted in the NY hush money case, then THAT appeal would make that case technically last even longer, etc.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's actually extraordinarily rare for criminal defendants to be allowed to remain free pending appeal. It's theoretically possible because Donny Wriggles but . . .I mean vanishingly rare, "the defendant is about to be pardoned anyway" rare. Somehow, Steve Bannon managed it....
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mutata posted:I think they're saying if Trump was convicted in the NY hush money case, then THAT appeal would make that case technically last even longer, etc. Oh I thought they meant the current NY criminal case.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The charges in the NY case are relatively minor felonies and Trump has no prior criminal record. Assuming donny wriggles is convicted, a jail sentence is possible but not particularly likely. Roger Parloff of lawfare, whose analysis is usually pretty good, claims to have gone through the sentencing guidelines and similar cases (such as they are) and thinks the minimum sentence is actually likely up around one and a third years. Merchan obviously has no love for Trump so I don’t particularly see him offering up a significant downward departure out of the kindness of his heart.
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Belteshazzar posted:Somehow, Steve Bannon managed it.... Is the ditch he sleeps in really any better than prison?
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Jean-Paul Shartre posted:Correct answer to the wrong question. Chubb’s collateral for the Carroll bond was reportedly Trump’s Schwab brokerage account. I doubt this is the same account, nobody would consider an already pledged account realisable collateral, but who tf knows with all the stupid poo poo that’s been going on with this one. was the exact nature of the collateral for that bond ever made public? I was under the impression that the Chubb bond's collateral was not public record, and the only reason we have this amount of insight into the Knight bond is because Trump's lawyers are having to make additional filings to try and convince the court to accept a bond that does not actually meet the stated requirements for such a bond that said, guys like trump usually have multiple brokerage accounts, it'd be entirely normal for him to have multiple accounts. I'd be very surprised if this particular account for the Knight bond were also used as Chubb bond collateral, because I would expect Chubb to have firm control over any account pledged as collateral (or for Chubb to take possession of the collateral themselves), and this account clearly is not under Chubb's control. I do think something looks really goofy here and they may be up to some hijinks, i just don't think it's likely that they're pulling that particular scam.
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Dont think the sketch has been posted yet https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1780372840102899804 e: also https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1780034352249815482 OgNar fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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