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It would be kind of funny if the plot is that Byleth started doing time shenanigans to make everyone happy together and went crazy as they slowly realized that actually their presence actively made things worse (Dimitri goes full-boar crazy when he thinks they’re dead, Edelgard’s strategies get worse when she’s lovestruck, Claude’s laid-back vibe gets overtaken by dumb church bullshit) and has vowed to keep going though timelines until they find one where they are not a stick in the machine like some sort of magic Terminator who has apparently stumbled upon Shez as their John Conner
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Jeritza being the third professor instead of Byleth really just solves a lot of issues.
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Jun 10, 2022 23:47
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Jeritza being the third professor instead of Byleth really just solves a lot of issues. He's so entertaining now that I don't have to keep blowing him to bits with Dark Spikes T.
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Jun 10, 2022 23:48
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hosed up we don't get to have him in that role for a full school year.
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Jun 10, 2022 23:49
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I see the chain of events that lead to Scarlet Blaze and Golden Wildfire, but what exactly was the catalyst for Dimitri's stuff? Rufus going full despot and straight up admitting he did all the war crimes obviously didn't happen in Three Houses, or at least the latter didn't. It's not even a cascade effect of the Edelgard stuff because Cornelia is there after all of the non-Fhirdiad fighting has been handled off-screen and she still doesn't know what happened in Enbarr.
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Jun 11, 2022 00:18
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DC Murderverse posted:It would be kind of funny if the plot is that Byleth started doing time shenanigans to make everyone happy together and went crazy as they slowly realized that actually their presence actively made things worse (Dimitri goes full-boar crazy when he thinks they’re dead, Edelgard’s strategies get worse when she’s lovestruck, Claude’s laid-back vibe gets overtaken by dumb church bullshit) and has vowed to keep going though timelines until they find one where they are not a stick in the machine like some sort of magic Terminator who has apparently stumbled upon Shez as their John Conner I would accept that if the ending is Shez's dumbassness pulling Byleth out of it so she and Edelgard can be gay together. 
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Jun 11, 2022 00:19
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Sydin posted:Yeah thief Petra is ridiculous, just absolutely juggles the hell out of whole rooms. On Jeralt, don't necessarily be so sure. Three Houses itself is an example. Man had a tea scene and voiced dialogue in data.
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Jun 11, 2022 00:24
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I like how in Scarlet Blaze we over throw the government in Chapter 3 
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Jun 11, 2022 00:26
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I see the chain of events that lead to Scarlet Blaze and Golden Wildfire, but what exactly was the catalyst for Dimitri's stuff? Rufus going full despot and straight up admitting he did all the war crimes obviously didn't happen in Three Houses, or at least the latter didn't. It's not even a cascade effect of the Edelgard stuff because Cornelia is there after all of the non-Fhirdiad fighting has been handled off-screen and she still doesn't know what happened in Enbarr. Rufus made a play for the throne, assisted by Cornelia. He always had a claim to it as the older brother of the previous king but he publicly made the accusation that the House of Fraldarius was going to use Dimitri as a puppet to suit their own ends once he ascended to the throne, and that Rufus was the true king and would be a better one since he’s already been regent. Basically a coup, which is different from Azure Moon because there Cornelia killed Rufus herself and framed Dimitri. Edit: I found further proof for my “Byleth makes everything worse” theory: Sylvain is no longer a hoe! https://twitter.com/buschtrottel/status/1535296180401348609?s=21&t=iFAF9qiUuazjb3h-5QubgA DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Jun 11, 2022 01:54
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Sylvain is one of the most fun characters to play in this. Make him a thief and abuse his 'my range goes up as I get more hits' to clear entire rooms and accidentally guard break people you didn't even see behind you. He is also absurdly good with fist weapons due to his increased range. Amusingly, lances seem to be the second worst weapons to take advantage of this (the worst being magic, since it doesn't seem to benefit at all).
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Jun 11, 2022 02:02
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I haven't played a Musou game since the PS2 so I did not expect to enjoy this as much as I am enjoying it. I wasn't so sure about it until they let you go to the practice field and actually play around with your people--I feel like they throw a lot of mechanics at you in the first two battles. I feel like my only complaint is that I want to be able to switch characters while I'm looking at the map, I always feel like I'm slowing things down when I send people off in every direction and then I cycle through them to try to find who I'm looking to play. And you get to hear Dorothea sing more in her C support, so that's nice.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:25
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OzFactor posted:I feel like my only complaint is that I want to be able to switch characters while I'm looking at the map, I always feel like I'm slowing things down when I send people off in every direction and then I cycle through them to try to find who I'm looking to play. You can, actually! It's under the zr menu when you're hovered over them.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:42
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The only thing I haven't figured out is how the hell you're supposed to build up Shez's transformation meter. I've run whole missions where I just play Shez and functionally solo the map and still end up only half-way to getting a transformation.
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Sydin posted:The only thing I haven't figured out is how the hell you're supposed to build up Shez's transformation meter. I've run whole missions where I just play Shez and functionally solo the map and still end up only half-way to getting a transformation. Look for blue pots on the map. They give about 75% of rhe bar per pot, and every map has at least 1. Some have 2 and one of them even had 4. Overall it builds super slow though yeah.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:50
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I figure that there's going to be a combination of things that make awakenings easier to trigger as the game goes on, food buffs and skills that increase your meter gain and longer battles in general.
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KittyEmpress posted:Look for blue pots on the map. They give about 75% of rhe bar per pot, and every map has at least 1. Some have 2 and one of them even had 4. Ah there you go, cheers. I'll keep a lookout next time.
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Carlosologist posted:I like how in Scarlet Blaze we over throw the government in Chapter 3 My guess, not having looked at any of the datamining stuff that's out there, is that this time the three different routes are before the midgame and they'll come together for a combined route for the latter half. As such, the first half might be a speed run of many of the events of the war from Tree Houses, the same way the school stuff got condensed down to two battles. Might explain how they'll handle "recruitment", if they're just divvied up for the first half then everyone's available for the second half. I haven't played through all three routes offered in the demo yet, but the impression I've got so far is that they may not be mutually exclusive - that is, aside from Shed joining a different side, they might all be happening simultaneously. Dolash fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Cattail Prophet posted:You can, actually! It's under the zr menu when you're hovered over them. Well now I have no complaints at all!
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Jun 11, 2022 06:31
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My complaint is that mages play like rear end in this game. And there's like 1/3 of the cast are mages.
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Dolash posted:My guess, not having looked at any of the datamining stuff that's out there, is that this time the three different routes are before the midgame and they'll come together for a combined route for the latter half. As such, the first half might be a speed run of many of the events of the war from Tree Houses, the same way the school stuff got condensed down to two battles. The demo ends just before the first clash, so we can't be sure. Dimitri's forces are going to fight some of Edelgard's group from what the dialogue suggests. Zulily Zoetrope posted:I see the chain of events that lead to Scarlet Blaze and Golden Wildfire, but what exactly was the catalyst for Dimitri's stuff? Rufus going full despot and straight up admitting he did all the war crimes obviously didn't happen in Three Houses, or at least the latter didn't. It's not even a cascade effect of the Edelgard stuff because Cornelia is there after all of the non-Fhirdiad fighting has been handled off-screen and she still doesn't know what happened in Enbarr. In Scarlet Blaze before Edelgard's coup, Arundel tells his subordinates to warn Cornelia, so hearing of his failure probably escalated her plans. It's not immediately obvious if you haven't played Dimitri's route first, because he uses Cornelia's real name, which as far as I know is only revealed there. And gender, apparently the Slither playing her is actually male.
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Cloacamazing! posted:The demo ends just before the first clash, so we can't be sure. Dimitri's forces are going to fight some of Edelgard's group from what the dialogue suggests. I found that last detail very interesting!
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Tired Moritz posted:My complaint is that mages play like rear end in this game. And there's like 1/3 of the cast are mages. Mage Hubert seems fine enough with his personal skill giving him a free AoE juggle on command, plus Monica's book that gives him a durable weapon that allows him to use spells reasonably. Priest seems completely unusable for sure, though, I have no idea how to make that class work.
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I also found my only complaint about this game on the Black Eagle route: Bernie and Hubert only get a C support. This is completely unacceptable. Felix and Annette also only go up to B.
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Mage and Priest function at least but they're not good. I was playing a lot of Mercedes and she functioned well enough to S rank most maps, but going back in with a thief Sylvain or ingrid as a Pegasus you can feel the stark difference in power.
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Cloacamazing! posted:I also found my only complaint about this game on the Black Eagle route: Bernie and Hubert only get a C support. This is completely unacceptable. Felix and Annette also only go up to B. is this even the golden route if they cant get married???
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Jun 11, 2022 08:11
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Extremely funny that the BE's already have three preferred mages in Dorothea, Lindhart, and Hubert, and instead of making Monica's preferred class something that actually fills a niche within the BE's like flyer where they're sorely lacking, it's just "lol here's your fourth caster, with a unique tome to boot so you feel even worse about reclassing her!"  Dorothea at least will probably fit nicely into dancer once you unlock it.
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Blaziken386 posted:what the gently caress Having finally managed to unite Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude and Rhea, Byleth realizes that their favorite pair of students shows no sign of getting married. Sighing, they activiate the Divine Pulse once again. "Okay, maybe if I send them off to muck the stables for the entire year?"
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Tired Moritz posted:My complaint is that mages play like rear end in this game. And there's like 1/3 of the cast are mages. Mage is good and can be workable, but it depends on the character's spell list and other abilities. Shez, Lorenz, and Ignatz actually make fine mages I've found because Shez and Lorenz have unique actions that benefit the class and Ignatz has Cutting Gale that summons two wind blades that rotate around him, giving him breathing room, a stun gauge exposer, and additional damage and stun gauge damage (due to the blades hovering around him) for a brief period of time and, on a lesser scale, his unique action which lets him use his regular attack finisher and his C4 to spread a lot of paint around the battlefield with enough mooks. The attack spells also give them additional ways to expose the stun gauge of enemies, and when leveled up, basic spells become cheap as poo poo. Priest is... bordering on unsalvageable. The regular combo string has a very bad habit of pushing everyone out of the C5 which would have been really useful otherwise, and it's not as skilled as the mage in terms of magic attacks.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Jeritza being the third professor instead of Byleth really just solves a lot of issues. It’s kind of funny, I’m trying scarlet blaze first and all I can think of so far (end of the prologue) is basically “this timeline is infinitely better for Edelgard now Byleth is out of the picture” The only thing they’re missing out on , is a year of high school shenanigans. Shez’ comment to Dorothea is pretty funny though, she laments having to fight people she knows and Shez is 100% correct by reminding her the other classes are basically acquaintances they knew for 3 weeks.
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DC Murderverse posted:Rufus made a play for the throne, assisted by Cornelia. He always had a claim to it as the older brother of the previous king but he publicly made the accusation that the House of Fraldarius was going to use Dimitri as a puppet to suit their own ends once he ascended to the throne, and that Rufus was the true king and would be a better one since he’s already been regent. Basically a coup, which is different from Azure Moon because there Cornelia killed Rufus herself and framed Dimitri. Yeah, I get all of that except I'd forgotten exactly how Rufus leaves the picture in Three Houses, thanks for the reminder. What's puzzling me is why things play out that way in this alternate timeline. The other two plots lay out pretty clearly why things are happening that wouldn't have happened with Professor Byleth, but this seems out of the blue. Cloacamazing! posted:In Scarlet Blaze before Edelgard's coup, Arundel tells his subordinates to warn Cornelia, so hearing of his failure probably escalated her plans. It's not immediately obvious if you haven't played Dimitri's route first, because he uses Cornelia's real name, which as far as I know is only revealed there. And gender, apparently the Slither playing her is actually male. Yeah that's what I assumed, having played Scarlet Blaze first, but IIRC he specifically says that Cleobulus shouldn't do anything rash, and when we see Cornelia in Azure Gleam she says she's still waiting to find out what's actually going on. Maybe I'm just misremembering or misreading those lines, I suppose.
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It didn't seem like she'd lost control over the situation in Azure Gleam. I certainly got the impression that Cornelia had made Dimitri's uncle go more paranoid than before, to the point where he decided he had to kill Dimitri right now.
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Sydin posted:Extremely funny that the BE's already have three preferred mages in Dorothea, Lindhart, and Hubert, and instead of making Monica's preferred class something that actually fills a niche within the BE's like flyer where they're sorely lacking, it's just "lol here's your fourth caster, with a unique tome to boot so you feel even worse about reclassing her!" I don't think preferred class means much of anything besides "hey if you don't know what to do with this character send them here". The only preferred flyers in the demo are Claude and Ingrid, and the Golden Deer literally have zero preferred sword users besides Shez. Folt The Bolt posted:Mage is good and can be workable, but it depends on the character's spell list and other abilities. Yeah mages are super good. You have great range variability on your moves and tons of fantastic AoE, and the class skill is a death machine gun that absolutely murders stun meters. Priest is weird. You have to be super duper aware of your ranges on that class in a way that most classes don't need to give a poo poo about, and I think that's why it feels weak and awkward. The damage is certainly there if you can actually land the moves, but it's really easy to constantly gently caress up your own combos if your positioning is wrong. You have to play them really really close, which is hugely counterintuitive. Marianne is a fantastic priest, because her passive gives her tons of aoe crowd control which allows her to mash up into peoples' faces to do priest things safely. The problem is that she's just as good of a mage.
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Metis of the Hallways posted:I found that last detail very interesting! I keep calling those guys the Mysterons, and it's still apparently accurate.
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Jun 11, 2022 12:44
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Shez is so cool, and by cool i mean a complete dork
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Jun 11, 2022 12:50
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Given the tutorial messages the games gives you when you first unlock the trainer it feels like the games wants you to master as many classes as possible, at least for your heaviest hitters. Not sure how much I'll end up doing that but I'll probably get Shez into almost every class by the end.
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Holy poo poo Mage Hubert is unfair in a large crowd of targets, just use an ability spell with a big AoE and/or a heavy attack string, press ZR, and suddenly the entire area is a plume of black smoke and corpses. There's a mission in Chapter 4 where like 6 Captains show up around a target that needs protecting at one point, and I just nuked the entire enemy squad in a few moments.
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Cloacamazing! posted:I also found my only complaint about this game on the Black Eagle route: Bernie and Hubert only get a C support. This is completely unacceptable. Felix and Annette also only go up to B. Blaziken386 posted:what the gently caress This is a loving travesty and needs to be resolved asap. Hubert and Bernie have the best support chain and are super cute together! They're legit one of my favorite ships how could they do that?
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personally i'm more up for supports between characters that didn't have any in three houses. if you want them to A support it already exists
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If you feel sorry for anyone, pity poor Shamir. She joins the Deer but has C support max with literally every single character except Shez.
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Bit of an if but yeah, I'd like to see Jeritza get more supports. He hasn't had too many lines but they're all great. Jeritza/Hubert for the Dracula off when?
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