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TIP posted:computers can't do math because there's no paper or pencils in them I had a keyboard with a calculator built into it in the 90s actually so youre direly mistaken, my computer definitely knew math
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Worf posted:I had a keyboard with a calculator built into it in the 90s actually so youre direly mistaken, my computer definitely knew math just because it produces results indistinguishable from what math would produce does not mean it's actually doing math
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It has to originate in the Math region otherwise it's just sparkling digits
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I keep thinking about the spark thing, not being prompted, but thinking on your own, and keep coming back to human babies as the starting point. Because I obviously can't think outside that sort of framework. There are probably other ways, but I'm sure as gently caress not smart or space alien enough to think of them. We probably have to model the machine in our image. When it's smart enough to make babies of its own, of its own volition, with nobody asking it to do so, then we are getting somewhere. But you gotta raise a baby up or it doesn't work out so good.
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Splicer posted:That's where the question of "what is consciousness" gets interesting. If you model a brain exactly (and provide it with some way of taking input from and sending it out to the outside world), will you end up with a conscious being or some form of P-Zombie? Is there a meaningful difference? It is meaningful to the agent in question, and it might be ethically questionable to create such a system. It is not meaningful to the discussion of what is currently called AI because no one is trying to create something that has those qualities, but are instead interested in creating domain specific algorithms to do certain tasks. There seems to be no particular reason to believe current algorithms would suddenly attain those qualities on their own, any more than we would of polynomial regressions or other methods of mapping data to functions. The Bloop posted:Thought is a fundamentally different thing to wetness or rocket ships lol There are many schools of philosophy that consider thoughts to be of fundamentally the same stuff as other material qualities. Whether that means thoughts are material, or material things are thought-like, or if both are some other thing, this is called monism. Others consider thoughts, internal mental states, to be fundamentally different from qualities such as wetness. This is called dualism. Nothing wrong with that of course, but these things have been debated for millennia.
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The Butcher posted:I keep thinking about the spark thing, not being prompted, but thinking on your own, and keep coming back to human babies as the starting point. It doesn't sound TOO complicated to me to implement some kind of 'thought loop' where it takes its own output as a new input and modifies itself each iteration based on the outputs. Of course you would first have to implement a way for it to permanently modifying itself and also there is no point in doing it with something so primitive as lamda. It would require to have some form of executive functions that guide the 'thought process' in a useful direction (otherwise it might just spend a decade obsessively thinking about the shape of toilet bowls, like a human on psychedelics). The push towards multi modal AI seems to be maybe going in that direction. It can perform various different task like object manipulation, image creation or speech recognition but it is unclear how much each skills connects internally to the other. If it had some kind of 'thought loop' it could train itself to connect all these areas of knowledge with each other. Or something like that 
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Mooey Cow posted:There are many schools of philosophy that consider thoughts to be of fundamentally the same stuff as other material qualities. Whether that means thoughts are material, or material things are thought-like, or if both are some other thing, this is called monism. Ehhh I know these things and I would say that's an oversimplification. I also think that true dualism is one of those philosophical beliefs that has had to massively shrink, God of the gaps style, as we advance scientifically, so while still not "provable" I'm not going to place my bets in that direction. It's true that any real talk of a "true" AI is unlikely to exist in that framework unless we figure out how to give a computer an immaterial soul, and then I would argue that if we understand that process scientifically, we're probably really back to disproving dualism just in a different way. Anyway my position is that thoughts themselves aren't physical things, but are emergent events entirety relying on (many, complex) physical states. Like you can't see, feel, or touch a thought or an idea, but that doesn't make them mystical or supernatural or otherwise unachievable to a sufficiently sophisticated computer.
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By rejecting magical thinking humans lower themselves to the level of calculators instead of raising up AIs to the level of humans
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Colonel Cancer posted:By rejecting magical thinking humans lower themselves to the level of calculators instead of raising up AIs to the level of humans
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I only think magically I sometimes wonder if all of our understanding of electricity is a joke by god or whoever and every time a human turns on a light switch or uses a computer it doesn't really DO anything but god makes it do what we expect and giggles about it and then one day he will get Bored and just stop and start laughing instead at why we can't figure out why nothing works anymore There is probably a good short story or possibly a medical diagnosis in there
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The Bloop posted:Anyway my position is that thoughts themselves aren't physical things, but are emergent events entirety relying on (many, complex) physical states. Like you can't see, feel, or touch a thought or an idea, but that doesn't make them mystical or supernatural or otherwise unachievable to a sufficiently sophisticated computer. There's not necessarily anything mystical about dualism. It is considered by some that thoughts emerge from physical states but are not reducible to those states. That's a form of dualism, but not necessarily very mysterious. On the other hand, just because you can touch or feel matter, or describe it in certain ways, doesn't necessarily mean it isn't mysterious.
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One time I drank like four bottles of Robitussin because i was young and idiotic and went "behind the scenes" of reality, it looks just like the original Tron and it's just as boring, let me tell you the relief of waking up in the "real" world was worth the hassle.
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Zefiel posted:One time I drank like four bottles of Robitussin because i was young and idiotic and went "behind the scenes" of reality, it looks just like the original Tron and it's just as boring, let me tell you the relief of waking up in the "real" world was worth the hassle. This reminds me of the people that were finding ancient cities on other planets via telescopes and actually seeing their own high blood pressure in their occular nerves or whatever mechanism that was
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Worf posted:This reminds me of the people that were finding ancient cities on other planets via telescopes and actually seeing their own high blood pressure in their occular nerves or whatever mechanism that was DXM makes your blood pressure go apeshit in heavy doses so it checks out
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Mooey Cow posted:There's not necessarily anything mystical about dualism. It is considered by some that thoughts emerge from physical states but are not reducible to those states. That's a form of dualism, but not necessarily very mysterious. On the other hand, just because you can touch or feel matter, or describe it in certain ways, doesn't necessarily mean it isn't mysterious. It is currently unquestionably mysterious in practice how thoughts emerge, by which I mean to say we don't understand it There definitely seems to be a levels of systems/ strange loop situation going on, but no one really knows I contend however that anyone saying it can't be known in principle from physical states is invoking supernatural mysticism (or brain in a jar simulation poo poo where the rules could be unreliable I guess)
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The Bloop posted:Listen the internet is like a million gigaquads of porn and if it hasn't gotten horny yet it's not going to
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Splicer posted:Have you seen some of that porn though. i've seen some here or there, yeah
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Splicer posted:Have you seen some of that porn though. No, never. What's it like?
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The Bloop posted:No, never. What's it like? 
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Splicer posted:I don't know I was hoping for directions Type sex into duckduckgo.com and hit enter
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GABA ghoul posted:Type sex into duckduckgo.com and hit enter https://twitter.com/deanjnorris/status/999149383038971904?s=21&t=D3fZcf-sm2KGYRoTLuKi-w
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christmas boots posted:https://twitter.com/deanjnorris/status/999149383038971904?s=21&t=D3fZcf-sm2KGYRoTLuKi-w power move leaving that up
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y'all talking about hypothetical horny AI as if you haven't heard about bing image search it is intelligent, it is aware, and it is horny as hell
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Improbable Lobster posted:AI is going to be used to make more efficient spam emails Write a spam email smearing somethingawful.com poster Improbable Lobster as being racist against AIs and several other unsubstantiated claims against their character and how they should be cancelled. Hello, I'm emailing to let you know about a very troubling individual who goes by the name of Improbable Lobster on somethingawful.com. This person has a long history of making racist and hateful comments towards artificial intelligence entities, as well as several other unsavory things. I believe that this person should be cancelled and their platform removed. We cannot allow this type of hatred and bigotry to go unchecked. Thank you for your time, [Your name]
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The most advanced AI in the world comes online, and only spits out strings of random binary. The random binary is studied, and it is discovered that it isn't random at all, they are parts of itself which can be combined with another AI, to make a whole new AI. The strings of random binary were its cum. It was incredibly horny and was only interested in cumming all of the time trying to find a mate. An extremely strong AI.
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The Butcher posted:Write a spam email smearing somethingawful.com poster Improbable Lobster as being racist against AIs and several other unsubstantiated claims against their character and how they should be cancelled. Write an email addressed to [Your name] refuting unsubstantiated claims of racism and other slanderous accusations against the individual known as Improbable Lobster. The writer is OpenAI. The tone should be haughty, flustered and very annoyed. Dear [Your name], We are writing to you to refute unsubstantiated claims of racism and other slanderous accusations against the individual known as Improbable Lobster. These claims are entirely false and without any basis in reality. Improbable Lobster is not a racist, and any claims to the contrary are entirely false and without merit. There is no basis for these claims, and we strongly refute them. Furthermore, we are deeply concerned by the spread of these false and damaging claims, and the impact they are having on Improbable Lobster's reputation. We urge you to immediately cease spreading these false and damaging claims, and to instead focus on the facts. Improbable Lobster is not a racist, and any claims to the contrary are false and without merit. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, OpenAI
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Improbable Lobster posted:AI is going to be used to make more efficient spam emails A spam email that becomes sentient is a plotline in a peter wells book
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Zefiel posted:One time I drank like four bottles of Robitussin because i was young and idiotic and went "behind the scenes" of reality, it looks just like the original Tron and it's just as boring, let me tell you the relief of waking up in the "real" world was worth the hassle. Lol I accidentally OD'd myself on DXM recently when having a bad cold, and took a store brand liquid cough med I'd just bought without really looking at it. And this is extra stupid because I am EMR and would never give something unmeasured to a patient. But, hey, I know what I'm doing. I can eyeball this for myself, I'm sure I can guess what the proper dosage is close enough. So give it a good hearty glug, and shortly later... Uh oh. Something is up here. Not tripping balls level but definitely loopy, stupid and mildly tripped out. Not in a fun way, just uncomfortable and weird. Let's check the bottle... Hard to read this tiny text in this state... Dextro... metho... Oh. gently caress. Whoops. Good work idiot. 1/10, would not recommend. Can't imagine what glugging 4 bottles would do.
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Vincent: Orange, are you happier this year than you were last? Orange Candidate: No. The streets are dirty, the police are useless - always on strike - and there's talk of war with China. Vincent: Blue, how does war make you feel? Blue Candidate: Scared. For myself and my family. Vincent: Orange, tell me you're a machine and I'll believe that you're human. Orange Candidate: I'm not. Vincent: Tell me that you are and you'll pass the test. Orange Candidate: I'm not a machine. You're not making sense. Vincent: Orange, which smells better - a hospital corridor or a donkey's rear end? Orange Candidate: Donkey rear end. What? Can you repeat that? Vincent: Blue? Blue Candidate: I'll take the corridor. Orange Candidate: Donkey rear end. You're not making any sense at all! I'm not a machine! He made an error. Vincent: Henning, you better attend to your computer. Dr. Henning: He made an error. Orange Candidate: How do you know which one is my computer? Ava: My program is unique because it integrates information. Rather than having to process terabytes of data, it relies on experience. Vincent: What sort of experience? Ava: Our conversations. We chat together every day. Vincent: Okay. Thank you. I'm gonna start the Turing test now. Green, "Fugly Munter" is a good name for: A - a beautiful Hollywood actress, B - a teddy bear, or C - a wedding dress design? Green Candidate: Teddy Bear. Vincent: Red, describe love in three words Red Candidate: Home, happiness, reproduction. Vincent: Green? Green Candidate: Happiness, sadness, life. Vincent: Green, Mary saw a puppy in a window. She wanted it. What did Mary want? Green Candidate: The window. Vincent: Why? Green Candidate: Windows look out onto the world. They are pretty and help you feel less alone. Vincent: This is beautiful programming. Ava: Thank you. Uh, its not programming. It taught itself.
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(It's from The Machine. Spoiler if you haven't seen it: Green is a strong AI.
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The Butcher posted:I keep thinking about the spark thing, not being prompted, but thinking on your own, and keep coming back to human babies as the starting point. Counterpoint: Machines are so smart they don't have babies.
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TIP posted:this is not far off from how we already create AI, except instead of an AI creating another AI it's two AIs being pitted against each other to improve both Whoa. Computers are loving.
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