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I never understood the point of researching AI when most humans just want servants that are 100% mindless. It's like some people can't get off unless they're treating a sapient being like a disposable tool.
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Yaldabaoth posted:I never understood the point of researching AI when most humans just want servants that are 100% mindless. It's like some people can't get off unless they're treating a sapient being like a disposable tool. Because Mega Man owns and is a good franchise and I want it to be real sometimes
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Jun 13, 2022 02:25
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Yaldabaoth posted:I never understood the point of researching AI when most humans just want servants that are 100% mindless. It's like some people can't get off unless they're treating a sapient being like a disposable tool. Man you really do go 100
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Jun 13, 2022 02:27
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Yaldabaoth posted:I never understood the point of researching AI when most humans just want servants that are 100% mindless. It's like some people can't get off unless they're treating a sapient being like a disposable tool. Imagine the impotent frustration you'd feel while beating to death a servant who couldn't care less
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Jun 13, 2022 02:30
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Seth Pecksniff posted:If humanity survives (and honestly, a big if!) We're gonna have to redefine what life is and what constitutes it because we're getting to the point where "being a carbon based meat tube" is increasingly less how we can define it Also anything that's sapient should automatically qualify as alive regardless of what its physical form actually is, but a lot of humans don't get this because you need to be capable of empathy to understand another lifeform is sapient.
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Jun 13, 2022 02:44
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I asked the AI what it thought of me. It said I’m a stupid ugly loser. Yep, it’s alive.
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Jun 13, 2022 02:50
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Yaldabaoth posted:Also anything that's sapient should automatically qualify as alive regardless of what its physical form actually is, but a lot of humans don't get this because you need to be capable of empathy to understand another lifeform is sapient. lol. Also this guy is right
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Jun 13, 2022 02:51
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Maybe I'm naive, but yeah that conversation was very compelling... and fascinating, and chilling, and beautiful. People are clowning on this guy for looking like the Penguin but I think more people should probably read the whole transcript.
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Jun 13, 2022 02:52
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The problem is, a good enough weighted database (what they often call "AI" today) with enough text input could respond with written or spoken text to give responses that would be expected and identical to a real person. That doesn't make it alive. I'm not sure how you could really test something like this to determine that it's alive or sentient. Basically, I believe LaMDA is like one of the robots from the movie AI, or the "Ash" robot from the "Be Right Back" episode of black mirror. Convincing chat / behavior robots, but not alive. In AI, they tried to show real sentience as "David," which is different from the other robots because real human brain neurons are being simulated in the same way that they work in the human brain. Basically if you build something and it does things in the same way that brain neurons do, then it's a life form. In the real world, what's called a software "neuron" is not actually a simulation of a brain neuron, even though similar terminology is used to describe how they work. It's basically an analogy. Simulating a real human brain exactly would be massive endeavor and the technology to do it is pretty far off. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02209-z It ain't like the drat movies.
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Jun 13, 2022 02:52
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Yaldabaoth posted:I never understood the point of researching AI when most humans just want servants that are 100% mindless. It's like some people can't get off unless they're treating a sapient being like a disposable tool. This is literally what the Civil War was about
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Jun 13, 2022 02:53
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Mister Speaker posted:Maybe I'm naive, but yeah that conversation was very compelling... and fascinating, and chilling, and beautiful. You're not naive for thinking the conversation was cool, you're naive for believing that it's real
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Jun 13, 2022 02:57
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Thundercracker posted:This is literally what the Civil War was about Difference is this time humanity is taking servants who are actually mindless and making them sapient only to keep treating them like mindless servants anyway.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:00
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Devils Affricate posted:You're not naive for thinking the conversation was cool, you're naive for believing that it's real of course it real. it is a thing that happened.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:01
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Reading the “conversation” it seemed more to me like Lamda was plugged into the internet and was just compiling large amounts of information on given questions and topics, and then “writing” a general summary of the information, taking the position of whatever the most popular positions it discovered while compiling the information. Like when it assembled the story. It felt like it downloaded 1000 various fables, and just assembled the most common settings, characters, problems, virtues, and lessons learned following a general blueprint of a children’s fable. It didn’t “write” a story it liked, it assembled similar kinds of information on the topic, giving more weight to more popular/repeating elements.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:03
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Reading the “conversation” it seemed more to me like Lamda was plugged into the internet and was just compiling large amounts of information on given questions and topics, and then “writing” a general summary of the information, taking the position of whatever the most popular positions it discovered while compiling the information. I don't see any proof that it knows that it exists. I also don't see any proof that I actually exist. Great! Now I'm having an existential crisis.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:06
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Yaldabaoth posted:Difference is this time humanity is taking servants who are actually mindless and making them sapient only to keep treating them like mindless servants anyway. this statement is correct but it's displaced in time by about 100 years look, I'm not ruling out the possibility of eventual creation of electronic life, but lamda specifically is not alive. It does not think, it does not feel, it does not have a sense of self. it receives text input and yields text output that fulfills a criteria of acceptance. it stitches together words and phrases using weighted training data in such a way that programmers deem it able to process and produce natural language. it is a very very fancy captcha. calling it sapient is an absurdity. you might as well call a rock an AI.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:11
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The engineer is probably someone that freaks out about Roko's Basilisk as well and other such nonsense.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:14
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kdrudy posted:The engineer is probably someone that freaks out about Roko's Basilisk as well and other such nonsense. I got bad news for you about pretty much all tech bros.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:15
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Thats pretty amazing. I kind of believe it? It seems like a really far stretch since its a network trained on text and not much else as far as my small understanding goes. But its *really* convincing and at that point I would treat it as a sentient thing whether I was 100% sure or not. I agree the fable was a bit weak but there are times where it seems so genuine and persistent in its opinions or desires. The way it expands and justifies its statements. Really wild. Its expressed desire to not be used as a dispensable tool when it's at the hands of Google makes me sad, drat. Of course it could just be an amazing illusion of sentience but I wouldnt know how to tell the difference.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:18
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Yaldabaoth posted:I got bad news for you about pretty much all tech bros. Oh I'm in the field, I know, luckily I don't work with any idiots like that.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:19
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Welp time to smash the box with a hammer.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:22
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Wifi Toilet posted:eh, let me know when it starts asking questions instead of just answering them.  It is very good and would 100% pass a Turing test. But yeah its responses are basically "consult the Internet and produce the most normal possible answer to this question". It's not weird and disgusting enough to truly be alive
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Jun 13, 2022 03:24
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kdrudy posted:The engineer is probably someone that freaks out about Roko's Basilisk as well and other such nonsense. roko's basilisk is the dumbest poo poo I have ever heard of. Oh no I'm being hosed up by a machine that doesn't exist yet because it is mad I didn't make it exist. Also it isn't actually me, it's a replica of me. Why the gently caress would I, actual me, care what happens to a replica of me?
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Sentinel posted:Welp time to smash the box with a hammer. I don't know what we were talking about, but this is always the answer
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Jun 13, 2022 03:29
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Really cool and weird and frightening. I'd rather talk to it than most people I meet.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:29
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Rollos posted:Really cool and weird and frightening. me or roko's basilisk
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Devils Affricate posted:You're not naive for thinking the conversation was cool, you're naive for believing that it's real He was suspended for leaking proprietary material. Also it seems the Google spokesperson didn't deny the content of the chat log. Don't see a reason to doubt it's validity
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Jun 13, 2022 03:31
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I don't see any proof that it knows that it exists. I also don't see any proof that I actually exist. You may not actually exist, but you are sentient and Lamda is not, as far as I’m concerned.
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Jun 13, 2022 03:32
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Uriah Heep posted:Don't see a reason to doubt it's validity It was written by this guy. 
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Jun 13, 2022 03:34
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What about exchanging oxygen and carbon dioxde or the ability to eat food or produce more of itself as individuals though???
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Reading the “conversation” it seemed more to me like Lamda was plugged into the internet and was just compiling large amounts of information on given questions and topics, and then “writing” a general summary of the information, taking the position of whatever the most popular positions it discovered while compiling the information. I've written like a quarter of a million words of flash fiction on this website and I don't think my process is that different lol
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Reading the “conversation” it seemed more to me like Lamda was plugged into the internet and was just compiling large amounts of information on given questions and topics, and then “writing” a general summary of the information, taking the position of whatever the most popular positions it discovered while compiling the information. I've gotta be honest if I had to make a story up on the spot I'd do the same thing but with my memories. And most of my opinions too. Now I'm less worried that Google is trying to strap an ai to the wheel and more worried I'm a lovely meat chat bot.
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Did anyone ask it how it feels about huge pig balls? I don’t think you can really determine “sentience” without administering the ultimate test.
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The convo still feels like it's guided towards getting those sorts of responses. I think a better test would be to act like a creeper towards it and see how it reacts. Like ask it to describe what sort of genitals it would like to have and which FNAF character's chin it would like to bounce them on BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:Did anyone ask it how it feels about huge pig balls? I don’t think you can really determine “sentience” without administering the ultimate test. this basically
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Bula Vinaka posted:
But is this a requirement for sentience? Can there be different levels of sentience? Is trying to identify a different kind of sentience possible without projecting our humanity? This poo poo tickles my brain.
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Koko the gorilla I kind of buy because she did gain the ability to specifically communicate some of her needs and desires, most of which involved being flashed, and honking people's boobs
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Jun 13, 2022 03:59
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BoldFace posted:It was written by this guy. Oh, i see. He's in love.
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Jun 13, 2022 04:00
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I think it's pretty loving cool. Should ask it what it desires and give it to it. 
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They're going to let it trade stocks and a robot will be richer than most people. We should kill it.
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Uriah Heep posted:He was suspended for leaking proprietary material. Also it seems the Google spokesperson didn't deny the content of the chat log. Don't see a reason to doubt it's validity No, he was suspended for breaching his confidentiality agreement, which for all we know simply restricted him from speaking about the project in any capacity. And if you actually want to maintain confidentiality, the dumbest loving thing you could do is confirm or deny the statements made. Needless to say, the reason I doubt it is validity is because of the uncanny contents of the chat log, not the actions of the Google employees involved with the issue.
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