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Casey Finnigan posted:What is this thing with people talking like New Vegas is supposed to be politically impactful or philosophically relevant or something? People liked it cause it had better quests, locations, companions, and dlc than fallout 3 not because it had incisive political commentary Kris Kristoffersons old man reminiscing about how the world used to be was by itself better than anything in 3 or 4 IMHO.
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^ the FNV voice actors really knocked it out on the park. Inspector Gesicht posted:*spits drink* Also to clarify, I'm not saying Caesar had it correct. That legion did heinous stuff. Their towns were safer, better fed, and had more access to clean water though.
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DarkLich posted:Also to clarify, I'm not saying Caesar had it correct. That legion did heinous stuff. Their towns were safer, better fed, and had more access to clean water though. *spits second drink*
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Fallout 4 failed to make proper use of the setting. They play up the city`s importance to the american revolution but they sort of fail to do anything with it. They really needed a british expy to side with or against. The institute does not fit they are as native to the region as anyone. BoS are invaders but they are not a overbearing goverment that people finally drive out. The railroad is obviously an expy of the underground railroad that would`nt exist for many decades after the revolution. They just dont fit in. If Fallout 5 is set in a former confederate state they should but surely will not have the balls to make the existence and resistance to slavery a major part of the setting and story.
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all it cost ceasar's conquest was enslavement to a regime that believes might makes right in all cases. whats a little enslavement between friends?
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Baudolino posted:Fallout 4 failed to make proper use of the setting. They play up the city`s importance to the american revolution but they sort of fail to do anything with it. They really needed a british expy to side with or against. The institute does not fit they are as native to the region as anyone. BoS are invaders but they are not a overbearing goverment that people finally drive out. The railroad is obviously an expy of the underground railroad that would`nt exist for many decades after the revolution. They just dont fit in. I am sure Bostonians will appreciate how much you associate them with the revolution instead of having funny accents and driving like poo poo
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hawowanlawow posted:I am sure Bostonians will appreciate how much you associate them with the revolution instead of having funny accents and driving like poo poo I like how one of the first quests in Fenway Park is how it needs another layer of green paint
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Inspector Gesicht posted:*spits drink* you have to understand. The gang of rapist slavers uses the term dialectic. CLAM DOWN posted:man i wanna fire up starfield again but it's just so loving boring. ugh. gently caress you todd. Yeah I am gonna reinstall when the mods start rolling in. Baudolino posted:Fallout 4 failed to make proper use of the setting. They play up the city`s importance to the american revolution but they sort of fail to do anything with it. They really needed a british expy to side with or against. The institute does not fit they are as native to the region as anyone. BoS are invaders but they are not a overbearing goverment that people finally drive out. The railroad is obviously an expy of the underground railroad that would`nt exist for many decades after the revolution. They just dont fit in. Or you could say that the end of the world results in boston temporally crumpling into itself. You have self defense militias fresh off their latest defeat trying to reach safety, violent abolitionists that are fighting a shadow war, an invading army coming to restore law and order AND an imperialist faction that destabilizes any attempt by locals to create a government. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Baudolino posted:Fallout 4 failed to make proper use of the setting. They play up the city`s importance to the american revolution but they sort of fail to do anything with it. They really needed a british expy to side with or against. The institute does not fit they are as native to the region as anyone. BoS are invaders but they are not a overbearing goverment that people finally drive out. The railroad is obviously an expy of the underground railroad that would`nt exist for many decades after the revolution. They just dont fit in. I figured FO4 was doing well enough with the setting, the revolutionary stuff was bits of flavouring in a few locations, otherwise the factions were there to do their own thing (to provide some plot and a sandbox for the player).
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In true imitation of the roman empire that inspire them, Caesar's Legion create a wasteland and call it peace. But you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to 'em. But there's also the Khans, the Boomers, and the Brotherhood of Steel, all of whom are relatively minor factions, all self interested and morally dubious in their own ways, and courting or neutralizing them in the run up to the show down is a more interesting main quest than anything Bethesda has done in the last twenty years. The factions in New Vegas are as robust as the Factions in Morrowind, and that's high praise.
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Apr 23, 2024 19:11
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There's nothing as cool or thematically resonant in any Bethesda game as the Kings.
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Apr 23, 2024 19:15
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Philippe posted:There's nothing as cool or thematically resonant in any Bethesda game as the Kings. as long as i dont have to hear about the tunnel snakes ever again
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DarkLich posted:^ the FNV voice actors really knocked it out on the park. That's in spite of the Legion, not because of it. The Legion itself doesn't have any civil institutions or a real government, they're not building farms or doling out bread. It's just incidental that they wipe out the other threats to stability on their conquering and enslaving sprees.
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It's been a while since I played NV, but weren't women explicitly property in legion territory
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yes. All the good stuff that supposedly happens in legion territory is told, never shown. Meanwhile the NCR has established places like goodsprings or the town the legion burns.
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Apr 23, 2024 19:25
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As a winner of Caesars lottery,
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the legion is so comprehensively stupid and evil that I never considered them anything other than regular ol video game bad guys Even if you like them they're entirely held together by a dying man's force of personality. They're just wack on every level Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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moist turtleneck posted:As a winner of Caesars lottery, Truly my greatest hope is to see him in the Fallout show
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SMELL THAT AIR! COULDN'T YOU JUST DRINK IT UP LIKE BOOZE
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Tankbuster posted:you have to understand. The gang of rapist slavers uses the term dialectic. Well ok. I suppose those are some good points. But the story ended when it was starting to become interesting. What does it mean to build a new commonwealth, for any of the factions? That we dont get to see. Still a fun game though, better than F3 and NV.
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Casey Finnigan posted:the legion is so comprehensively stupid and evil that I never considered them anything other than regular ol video game bad guys It's literally in the text https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_5PmTC3RANzShTPfjQsviqSry8BK2VC1?si=ulHa_JBUPY6gTYsY Caesar looks at the camera and says 'I am turbo hitler. I love fascism and the only thing I care about is making sure there is more fascism in the world'. And still people manage to go 'well there are some upsides to the legion'.
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Alchenar posted:It's literally in the text https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_5PmTC3RANzShTPfjQsviqSry8BK2VC1?si=ulHa_JBUPY6gTYsY "that one merchant's pretty cool with people being crucified so caesar must be intended to be morally grey"
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Baudolino posted:That we dont get to see. And we never will, Bethesda seems 100% opposed to the idea of any post post apocalypse. People need to live in ruins with skeletons in their bathtubs for all eternity
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Azhais posted:And we never will, Bethesda seems 100% opposed to the idea of any post post apocalypse. People need to live in ruins with skeletons in their bathtubs for all eternity I will argue to death that they should just be leaning into the immediate-post-apocalypse stuff, since their studio's strength is world building (like, the physical world you explore, not the lore or characters) but something like project zomboid where the entire point is You Die Sooner Rather Than Later is antithetical to their seeming ethos of One Playthrough Should Experience Everything
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Azhais posted:People need to live in ruins with skeletons in their bathtubs for all eternity
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i just hope the developers who pushed for more of the survival element stuff can put out a JESswyer type mod. if they can't do all the revisions to get it implemented, maybe a modder can at least take the idea and run with it
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Alchenar posted:It's literally in the text https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_5PmTC3RANzShTPfjQsviqSry8BK2VC1?si=ulHa_JBUPY6gTYsY He’s basically Jordan Peterson, intellectualising submitting to a harsh far-right creed as a way to add meaning and structure to your life. I guess it’s not surprising some people fall for it.
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Talkie Toaster posted:He’s basically Jordan Peterson, intellectualising submitting to a harsh far-right creed as a way to add meaning and structure to your life. I guess it’s not surprising some people fall for it. That's a harsh thing to say about Caesar.
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Talkie Toaster posted:He’s basically Jordan Peterson, intellectualising submitting to a harsh far-right creed as a way to add meaning and structure to your life. I guess it’s not surprising some people fall for it. Challenging the reader to think “well maybe the wasteland does need an authoritarian, if only for a little while” is like, the bare minimum of effective writing in this setting and I don’t think it’s ridiculous that people end up going over the pros and cons of it. Sucks that some folks end up with the wrong conclusion, but I don’t think it’s fair for anyone to suggest the game encourages that by posing the question or that it’s not worth thinking about.
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Alchenar posted:It's literally in the text https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_5PmTC3RANzShTPfjQsviqSry8BK2VC1?si=ulHa_JBUPY6gTYsY I don't know if they intended it as such, but this pretty well parallels how people make excuses for and even embrace authoritarianism (and even outright fascism) IRL. At the end of the day those systems get support because they massively, MASSIVELY privilege a certain slice of society, and if you're part of the in-group and are either willing to overlook what's happening to your neighbors or straight up hate them, yeah, it appeals to people. There's a strain of scholarly thought that looks at Hitler's Germany through the lens of basically being a gigantic social welfare program directed narrowly at the people they defined as "true Germans." Hitler's Beneficiaries by Götz Aly is the go-to book about it. So, yeah, a caravan driver thinking it's great that they're not getting robbed on the roads is pretty on-point for all of that, and if it appeals to the PC then it pretty specifically says something about the PC and the player behind the keyboard. Namely, that you're the sort of person OK with women being chattel if it gives you personal security and the chance to make a butt ton of money. edit: basically, people will lick the poo poo out of a boot if it's stepping on the neck of someone they don't care for while they steal the victim's wallet.
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Caeser's brutal rule was a response to a brutal and chaotic land. And it's an effective response, being the most brutal and horrifying force is an answer. The problem comes from people assuming that because it worked that it was both the best method and entirely justified. Arizona's pacified, but you bet your rear end someone shits their pants if they end up walking down the same street as their regional governor for fear of losing their head. Anyway how about those space cowboys or snake people?
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Tiny Timbs posted:I still think basic food/water survival stuff would be really stupid in Starfield but there is surely some kind of friction that would provide an interesting challenge to the player beyond shooting and getting shot. Presumably that was the whole point of the outpost system: build outposts to have enough fuel to travel out further so you can build outposts to have enough fuel to travel out further so... That still would have sucked, though, because there's poo poo-all to actually explore and there's no thematic reason that you're the one who has to build all this stuff when there's already outposts on every single planet you visit.
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I've come to the conclusion that Starfield is bad because there is no Space Caesar.
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Punished Ape posted:I've come to the conclusion that Starfield is bad because there is no Space Caesar. But it does have the Space Great Khans
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The Legion is great at identifying their fans as people you shouldn’t ever interact with.
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Punished Ape posted:I've come to the conclusion that Starfield is bad
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Ironslave posted:Anyway how about those space cowboys or snake people? I'm sorry, even in its own thread Starfield is irrelevant Roadie posted:Presumably that was the whole point of the outpost system: build outposts to have enough fuel to travel out further so you can build outposts to have enough fuel to travel out further so... That's the rub, either exploration is pointless because there's nothing out there or exploration is pointless because everything you can explore has already been settled. Somehow, Starfield accomplishes both. A better team might have made interesting content to be discovered by engaging the mechanics, furthering/expanding the story by pushing into the unknown, knowing that a large percentage of players never would. This team didn't. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Has there been anything said about the supposed DLC? I don't know if I can bring myself to boot this game up again I really lost any interest. loving depressing, considering all the hours and re-starts I had in literally every other Bethsoft game I've been into.
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