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mystes
May 31, 2006

I feel like I don't have anything that fits here because we always ate out a lot when I was a kid and while we never ate at really fancy restaurants, for as long as i can remember I've always kind of been in the opposite position where my parents have never seemed to mind routinely blowing amounts of money on mediocre food in restaurants that seem stupid to me.

Occasionally we went to legitimately fancy restaurants with some relatives on my father's side including my grandmother but they always seemed to choose the restaurants entirely based on what was fashionable and have no interest in the food, so unsurprisingly, the food and service always sucked and I can't even remember anything specific except a couple cases where they were so bad to be memorable.

mystes fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 3, 2022

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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Billy Ray Blowjob posted:

The Japanese places that flicked food at you

Sorry can you expand on this I have no idea what you're talking about and it sounds like ...something.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Hibachi/teppanyaki places might flip you a shrimp

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

VelociBacon posted:

Sorry can you expand on this I have no idea what you're talking about and it sounds like ...something.

You know, the places with the onion volcanos

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Democratic Pirate posted:

You know, the places with the onion volcanos

I honestly have no idea - I've been to Japan and haven't seen this there either, is this a Japanese-American thing?


e: wait it's like a resort thing where they cook in front of you but one for kids where they goof around and catch an egg on the spatula etc right? I have seen clips!

mystes
May 31, 2006

VelociBacon posted:

I honestly have no idea - I've been to Japan and haven't seen this either, is this a Japanese-American thing?
I think it's just something that the chain Benihana came up with as a gimmick that then got copied

mystes fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jul 4, 2022

Wroughtirony
May 14, 2007



I grew up pretty poor but my parents did a cool thing. On the rare occasions when we went out to eat, I was allowed to order absolutely anything I wanted off the menu as long as I ate it. That introduced me to a lot of foods that I love to this day (pheasant, for example) and kept me from having anxiety about the cost of food. They wanted me to experience new things and be comfortable in fancy settings, and it worked. My partner didn't have that experience and as a result he is not a huge fan of going out to eat. Even at the restaurant I work at where I get a 50% discount, he reflexively orders the cheapest dish on the menu. I'm really grateful to my parents for consciously not passing down financial anxiety about food.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

VelociBacon posted:

I honestly have no idea - I've been to Japan and haven't seen this there either, is this a Japanese-American thing?

e: wait it's like a resort thing where they cook in front of you but one for kids where they goof around and catch an egg on the spatula etc right? I have seen clips!
Are you in Vancouver? I seem to remember you mentioning Vancouver in some other threads. Anyway, when I lived in Vancouver about 15 years ago, my parents came to visit, and like mystes, for my family going out to eat was not a big deal. But one memorable occasion happened at a Japanese restaurant in Vancouver. The chef prepared most of our meal (rice and drinks were delivered by the wait staff) in front of us on a large stainless-steel grill. He had two large knives that he used simultaneously, and this included juggling and other actions that had nothing to do with actually preparing food. It was a performance, and was quite impressive to 25-year-old me, and probably would have been mind-blowing (and led to unsafe trying-this-at-home) if I'd seen it when I was half that age.

Yeah, catch an egg on the flat of the knife, throw something into the air with the left knife, slice it in the air with the right knife, throw both knives into the air and splash oil all over the grill then catch the knives and dice the onions, etc.

AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

It's called teppanyaki.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Wroughtirony posted:

I grew up pretty poor but my parents did a cool thing. On the rare occasions when we went out to eat, I was allowed to order absolutely anything I wanted off the menu as long as I ate it. That introduced me to a lot of foods that I love to this day (pheasant, for example) and kept me from having anxiety about the cost of food. They wanted me to experience new things and be comfortable in fancy settings, and it worked. My partner didn't have that experience and as a result he is not a huge fan of going out to eat. Even at the restaurant I work at where I get a 50% discount, he reflexively orders the cheapest dish on the menu. I'm really grateful to my parents for consciously not passing down financial anxiety about food.

That’s great. You have good parents! (At least in that regard).

gegi
Aug 3, 2004
Butterfly Girl
Kids are such crazy mixed-up little machines and I say this thinking about myself, since I know once when I was fairly young we ordered some food in a style that was not our usual and I didn't like whatever I got very much, and a family friend (from a poorer background) chewed me out with the whole "you ordered it, you have to eat it, you can't have any other food for hte rest of your life until you eat every last bite of this" routine. Which isn't entirely unreasonable (though I will argue that it was not MY choice to get food from that restaurant in the first place!) but helped to root a pretty deep terror of ever trying new foods, ever, into me. Because what if I get it and I don't like it and I get yelled at?

I didn't eat a CHEESEBURGER until I was like fifteen because I was terrified of trying anything new, and "put cheese on the meat" counted as new. I really doubt the grownups intended to saddle me with the level of hangup that I somehow got. Thus I state that kids are weird.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

gegi posted:

Kids are such crazy mixed-up little machines and I say this thinking about myself, since I know once when I was fairly young we ordered some food in a style that was not our usual and I didn't like whatever I got very much, and a family friend (from a poorer background) chewed me out with the whole "you ordered it, you have to eat it, you can't have any other food for hte rest of your life until you eat every last bite of this" routine. Which isn't entirely unreasonable (though I will argue that it was not MY choice to get food from that restaurant in the first place!) but helped to root a pretty deep terror of ever trying new foods, ever, into me. Because what if I get it and I don't like it and I get yelled at?

I didn't eat a CHEESEBURGER until I was like fifteen because I was terrified of trying anything new, and "put cheese on the meat" counted as new. I really doubt the grownups intended to saddle me with the level of hangup that I somehow got. Thus I state that kids are weird.

Nope, it’s the adults who are weird. You reacted perfectly understandably to that situation. My son eats a wide range of stuff, and if something new comes along and he’s not sure about it our rule is that he has to taste it, but he doesn’t have to like it (although he usually does).

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

ExecuDork posted:

Are you in Vancouver? I seem to remember you mentioning Vancouver in some other threads. Anyway, when I lived in Vancouver about 15 years ago, my parents came to visit, and like mystes, for my family going out to eat was not a big deal. But one memorable occasion happened at a Japanese restaurant in Vancouver. The chef prepared most of our meal (rice and drinks were delivered by the wait staff) in front of us on a large stainless-steel grill. He had two large knives that he used simultaneously, and this included juggling and other actions that had nothing to do with actually preparing food. It was a performance, and was quite impressive to 25-year-old me, and probably would have been mind-blowing (and led to unsafe trying-this-at-home) if I'd seen it when I was half that age.

Yeah, catch an egg on the flat of the knife, throw something into the air with the left knife, slice it in the air with the right knife, throw both knives into the air and splash oil all over the grill then catch the knives and dice the onions, etc.

Yeah that's me. I guess in a big city you'll have that somewhere, and certainly it seems insanely skillful. The nicest Japanese places I've been to here are just the kinda standard reserve a week or two ahead, you sit around the chef, fixed course, etc. I think I'd be super anxious for the person if they were trying to perform culinary street magic while preparing the food.

Duck_King
Sep 5, 2003

leader.bmp
Definitely Red Lobster. I grew up extremely poor, and I loved seafood. I was told by my mom that Red Lobster is a very expensive place to eat, and I honestly can't remember eating in a restaurant as a kid that wasn't fast food or a pizza place, so in my mind, all of the dishes were north of $25 (in the 80s), and I would never eat there because none of us would ever be able to afford it. I still had that mentality when I was in my early 20s (was still poor), and took a date there once to impress her.

barclayed
Apr 15, 2022

"I just saved your ass... with MONOPOLY!"
Cheesecake Factory and red lobster. Also, Marie Calenders because I’d always get those ‘free slice of pie’ certificates for like, AR points or some poo poo

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE

Duck_King posted:

Definitely Red Lobster. I grew up extremely poor, and I loved seafood. I was told by my mom that Red Lobster is a very expensive place to eat, and I honestly can't remember eating in a restaurant as a kid that wasn't fast food or a pizza place, so in my mind, all of the dishes were north of $25 (in the 80s), and I would never eat there because none of us would ever be able to afford it. I still had that mentality when I was in my early 20s (was still poor), and took a date there once to impress her.

Same here man. I grew up pretty poor and Red Lobster was for after graduations and stuff like that. As an adult I went a few times and every time I couldn't grapple with the realization that Red Lobster kind of sucks. It's been rather weird.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

I got into some chocolate rum balls at a party when I was 6 or so. I thought that they were so disgusting that they must be very fancy.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Croatoan posted:

Same here man. I grew up pretty poor and Red Lobster was for after graduations and stuff like that. As an adult I went a few times and every time I couldn't grapple with the realization that Red Lobster kind of sucks. It's been rather weird.

I grew up in Massachusetts and I don’t think we had a single Red Lobster in the state. Because, you know, there’s like a billion local places serving actual good, fresh seafood. But we still got their advertisements on TV for some reason and I wanted to eat there so bad. Lobsterfest! Infinite shrimp! gently caress yeah!

We finally went to one on a family road trip when I was in high school and it was very much “wait this is it? :geno:

Speaking of things we have in abundance in Mass, good Mexican food is not among them. Chili’s is the place that comes to mind that I fuckin loved as a kid/teen and thought of as a nice night out, but haven’t set foot in in probably 20 years since broadening my horizons.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jul 7, 2022

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

The Moon Monster posted:

I got into some chocolate rum balls at a party when I was 6 or so. I thought that they were so disgusting that they must be very fancy.
I never tried these as a kid but for some reason I too thought they were fancy. In fact up until 5 seconds ago when I Googled the recipe and realized these are chintzy sorts of things, I still thought they were fancy.

When I was a kid I think I thought filet mignon was fancy because it had a French name.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
I know so little about meats, I'm just taking it on faith that you're correct about that.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
In Edmonton, Alberta Canada we were poor and I was 10 years old but I’d see commercials for ribs and I was always tempted to go to Tony Roma’s at Bourbon St in West Edmonton mall. But we couldn’t afford it. So it was something I had always wanted to try as a kid, that and some other restaurants. I still haven’t tried Tony Roma’s but I’ve had much better ribs in my life thank goodness.

That being said even tho my Dad is a doctor and our life is different his restaurant of choice is always Pizza Hut. Celebration? Big deal? Pizza Hut, back when most were sit down.

Jyrraeth
Aug 1, 2008

I love this dino
SOOOO MUCH

Gatts posted:

In Edmonton, Alberta Canada we were poor and I was 10 years old but I’d see commercials for ribs and I was always tempted to go to Tony Roma’s at Bourbon St in West Edmonton mall. But we couldn’t afford it. So it was something I had always wanted to try as a kid, that and some other restaurants. I still haven’t tried Tony Roma’s but I’ve had much better ribs in my life thank goodness.

That being said even tho my Dad is a doctor and our life is different his restaurant of choice is always Pizza Hut. Celebration? Big deal? Pizza Hut, back when most were sit down.

Ohhhhh I remember Tony Roma's. I remember when it came to my part of Calgary, one of my friends was nuts for it. I was always disappointed because I ... Just don't really like ribs that much.

I remember East Side Mario's was a common destination, but I always knew it wasn't fancy. Loved the hell out of those giant glorpy pastas in my childhood.

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

Docjowles posted:

I grew up in Massachusetts and I don’t think we had a single Red Lobster in the state. Because, you know, there’s like a billion local places serving actual good, fresh seafood. But we still got their advertisements on TV for some reason and I wanted to eat there so bad. Lobsterfest! Infinite shrimp! gently caress yeah!

Haha same. When I said that place looks good my dad just laughed. I think there actually is one on the cape, probably just so they can say they have one on the cape.

This will sound a bit pretentious but growing up in Mass and in an Italian-American family I was surprised to learn in college some people consider seafood unusual or special.

dino. posted:

Anyway. As I got older, I realised that the pasta I made at home somehow tasted better than Olive Garden.

Olive garden once infamously didn't salt their pasta water to get a better warranty on their pots and pans.

Ever wondered what it would be like if Italy had an equivalent to Olive Garden? A chain of restaurants promising an authentic, traditional American experience? Well wonder no longer:

https://www.oldwildwest.it/menu-old-wild-west-eng



Pekinduck fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jul 10, 2022

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Pekinduck posted:

Haha same. When I said that place looks good my dad just laughed. I think there actually is one on the cape, probably just so they can say they have one on the cape.

This will sound a bit pretentious but growing up in Mass and in an Italian-American family I was surprised to learn in college some people consider seafood unusual or special.

Olive garden once infamously didn't salt their pasta water to get a better warranty on their pots and pans.

Ever wondered what it would be like if Italy had an equivalent to Olive Garden? A chain of restaurants promising an authentic, traditional American experience? Well wonder no longer:

https://www.oldwildwest.it/menu-old-wild-west-eng





No way



That's awful.

e:

VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jul 10, 2022

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


Looks pretty authentically American to me

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


The French equivalent may even be that touch worse: https://www.indianacafe.fr/

The Aardvark
Aug 19, 2013


For birthdays and good grades our grandma would take us to Bakers Square when it was still a thing in San Diego. The only other types of takeout we got was McDonald's or pizza but that wasn't often.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

Jyrraeth posted:

I remember East Side Mario's was a common destination, but I always knew it wasn't fancy. Loved the hell out of those giant glorpy pastas in my childhood.

Growing up in Calgary, West Edmonton Mall seemed fancy. Then we visited one time and it's, yeah, just an enormous mall. It's big enough that they ran out of stores to put in it so they started repeating. There are multiples of each of the normal mall-centric clothing stores and other shops. As well as the submarine fleet, the ice rink, and the roller coasters. There are two indoor mini-golf courses, but again, that's not really "fancy" per se.

East Side Mario's was also a common, basic eat-out experience for me. It was acceptable pseudo-Italian food for a reasonable price and scored high on predictability. Then I visited Niagra Falls for a conference, and I ate at what I thought was a cheap place in the complex of casinos and hotels next to the falls, the original tourist trap. I spent $50 for a basic spaghetti bolognese and a single bottle of beer at East Side Mario's. It would have cost half that at the ESM's 10 km away. So it became fancy by proximity to a whole bunch of water.

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

VelociBacon posted:

No way

That's awful.

The "Squaw Steak" is also :chloe: Italy lol

I do remember the first time I went to an actual fancy restaurant: "wtf I cant get the menu open. Oh, its just one sheet. Ok four options here, whats on the other side. Other side blank! They only have four things!? What kind of lazy-rear end restaurant is this?"

mystes
May 31, 2006

VelociBacon posted:

No way



That's awful.

e:
I like how someone was apparently like "I know, Americans might think 'Indians' would be bad so we'll say 'Indian People' because they prefer adding 'people' when talking about ethnic groups" but didn't know that Americans would find "Indian" in general or indeed, the entire premise of having different entrances with labels indicating they were for different racial groups, WTF levels of offensive (never mind the whole wild west theme feeling vaguely dubious to begin with)

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Presumably it’s meant as a novelty for locals rather than an attraction for visiting Americans? It’s not like Italians on holiday are flocking to Olive Garden or Aussies to Outback Steakhouse etc.

But also (and this is my extreme cynicism showing) you may be overestimating how much the average white American would be outraged by, or even think critically about, the separate entrance thing :911:

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

Docjowles posted:

Presumably it’s meant as a novelty for locals rather than an attraction for visiting Americans?

Yeah

mystes posted:

I like how someone was apparently like "I know, Americans might think 'Indians' would be bad so we'll say 'Indian People' because they prefer adding 'people' when talking about ethnic groups" but didn't know that Americans would find "Indian" in general or indeed, the entire premise of having different entrances with labels indicating they were for different racial groups, WTF levels of offensive (never mind the whole wild west theme feeling vaguely dubious to begin with)

To their slight credit I don't think the signs are designating entrances/spaces, they just have boards with random wild west phrases all over the place. American Wild West stuff is also like, a thing in Italy. There might not even be an English translation of this comic AFAIK:

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

My hometown got its first real sit-down Chinese restaurant in [url=https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1984/08/19/130572.html?pageNumber=335]1984[/i], and it was always special to go there.

On another tack, one time my family was visiting with a wealthy friend of my dad's, and we went out to a nice seafood place for dinner. My dad's friend picked up the check. I was sitting near him and saw that it was for over $100 (for about half a dozen people; yeah, that was quite a while ago), and I was deeply impressed that anyone could drop a hundred bucks on a meal like it was nothing.

Feisty-Cadaver
Jun 1, 2000
The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.

Docjowles posted:

or Aussies to Outback Steakhouse etc.

a million years ago when I was in high school the parents of friends of a friend hosted an Australian exchange student for a year and the first place they took her to after she landed waaaaaaaaaas: Outback.

why yes this was in the midwest why do you ask?

Billy Ray Blowjob
Nov 30, 2011

by Pragmatica

VelociBacon posted:

Sorry can you expand on this I have no idea what you're talking about and it sounds like ...something.

VelociBacon posted:

I honestly have no idea - I've been to Japan and haven't seen this there either, is this a Japanese-American thing?


e: wait it's like a resort thing where they cook in front of you but one for kids where they goof around and catch an egg on the spatula etc right? I have seen clips!

Ive scrolled past these replies a few times now and I'm still confused by the over the top hysterical reaction they both are.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Apologies for the hysteria Mr blowjob I'd flick you some food if I could

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Benihana's fried rice is so good. Like in the top 3 ever IMO because of all the butter and garlic they put in there.

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob

therattle posted:

Nope, it’s the adults who are weird. You reacted perfectly understandably to that situation. My son eats a wide range of stuff, and if something new comes along and he’s not sure about it our rule is that he has to taste it, but he doesn’t have to like it (although he usually does).

My mom's rule for new food was "three big bites." You didn't have to finish it, but you had to try it, which seems fair.

Unless you were at someone else's house, in which case you ate whatever was put in front of you, and were happy about it.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

angerbeet posted:

My mom's rule for new food was "three big bites." You didn't have to finish it, but you had to try it, which seems fair.

Unless you were at someone else's house, in which case you ate whatever was put in front of you, and were happy about it.

That seems reasonable although I think I’d know after one or two mouthfuls if I dislike something.

I don’t really agree about making a kid eat something they don’t like, even at someone else’s house. One (mostly) can’t help what one does or doesn’t like and being made to eat something horrible is pretty unpleasant.

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BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Forcing kids to try food is, I think, why I still hate shellfish and most seafood. My parents would enforce "two bites" even if I had tried it a few weeks prior.

With our 2yo we are going "offer a plate with some familiar and some new foods and he chooses what to eat from among that". He can ask for condiments all he likes. Oddly enough he now asks for zaatar for many breakfasts, which he eats by the pinch. Oh, and Aleppo pepper on kiwi lol

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