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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Hillary lost to Donald Trump. That alone makes her radioactive. The only people who want her to run again are republicans and former surrogates and I'm amazed she's still paying the second ones to try to generate buzz. Her political career is done. Not only did she lose to Trump but she let her political enemies completely define her and never did anything to challenge those notions.

I can't believe her name even comes up anymore.

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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




I'd say reset the clock but it'll just happen again tomorrow. Retire it.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

Which Democrat would have a better chance of winning in 2024?

A piece of driftwood. But no seriously just about any other democrat. Her name is INFAMOUS, not famous.

Are you actually seriously going to bat for Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2022 or is this just an elaborate troll? Because I'd just call it off if it's the latter. There isn't a discussion to be had. She lost to Trump. Her political capital doesn't exist. No body but republicans or Clinton surrogates have any desire to see her in politics.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Ah yes, 36% of americans who associate a positive favorability rating of Clinton in 2018 certainly are the herald of her upcoming ascendancy. Let us carefully ignore the 63% who despise her. There is a reason why there isn't a poll in 2022. Because she's irrelevant.

So I'm gonna give a preview of what happens at the first debate. Hillary Clinton decides to run in 2024. She scrapes together something of a campaign, she manages to eek out just enough to come to the debates through begging, borrowing, stealing. It's the big night. Meanwhile every other campaign is desperate for this moment, but are furiously fighting each other behind the scenes to let Clinton answer first, and then speak next. It's a full on inter-party war over this.

Why? Because the first thing that comes out of the first halfway smart candidate (or his team's prep) mouth is something like "You lost to Donald Trump, your arrogance, your inability to lead a campaign, and politics is part of the reason why we're where we are in the first place." Everyone running has been honing, chomping at the bit for a brutal attack and clickbait moment against her.

And that's it. That's it for her campaign. Maybe she manages to stay in the polls just enough to be in the next debate. But she won't be in the third one. And that, is why Clinton shouldn't run. Besides the having bad politics thing.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




I never understood the height argument when it comes to politicians. Is a really short guy going to get votes? Probably not. But anyone above 5'7 isn't exactly short.

If Fetterman loses in Pennsylvania then this argument should be forever retired.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Willa Rogers posted:

The GOP is plowing ahead with its Hispanic-voter outreach:

The reporter, Lexi Lonas, has written for conservative outlets like the Washington Examiner & National Review, but this program is a legit outreach effort started by the GOP.

That worked out so well for them after 2012.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Willa Rogers posted:


Actually, the 2020 vote-split vs. the 2016 vote-split among Hispanic voters shows that something is working as far as being wooed by the right, as does the GOP flipping a House seat this year in a Texas special election.

Oh absolutely. I'm just saying that it was funny how one of the takeaways from 2012 from their own internal postmortem was the GOP has to do minority outreach with a focus on latinos because they're the biggest growing bloc and as black adder pointed out, tend to be socially conservative. But then Trump comes out the gates in 2016 with They're Not Sending Their Best stuff.

And now it's 2022 and it's back to wanting latino outreach again.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Yeah like I wouldn't take the fact that blue dog dems maintaining a controlling stake of the democratic party doesn't mean things aren't getting better. More progressives win every election cycle.

Even just 10 years ago the idea of a self-described socialist being within striking distance of winning his party's primary and going on to Fox News town halls to standing ovations at the end would be absolutely unthinkable.

It's just we're ready to see actual progressive policies put in place, right now.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jul 16, 2022

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





Check the date. 2018. But yeah Alex is not having a good one. His best case scenario is he's out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




volts5000 posted:

Well, poo poo. That's what I get for not reading thoroughly enough.

That's ok. As Bankston, the lawyer who exposed all this said. "Here is a thought nobody has had yet. What happens when law enforcement gets their hands on this phone?"

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Federal Prosecutors have something like a 95% win rate. Those cops are turbo hosed.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





Uhhh ok. So I have a ranger buddy who has contacts in the government who told me this, this morning. And he's not perfectly accurate with this stuff. And I kind of brushed it off as "That would be wild if true."

But uhhh if the washington post is reporting it WELL.....that....could be....I don't think there will be much hesitation to throw him in jail if Trump was trying to sell nuclear state secrets.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




With Trump demanding the documents back we're at the final stage of the narcissist's prayer.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




nine-gear crow posted:

Like, what even IS Rick Scott's brand these days outside of "the guy who steals all your money if you put him in charge of something where there is money that can be stolen"?

Hey now, Rick Scott wouldn't steal a red hot stove.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 22, 2022

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




It's funny to me the special master ploy was basically a waste of money. It bought what, two weeks?

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




I'm honestly in awe of these magic declassification powers. If you dream about sharing nuclear state secrets, are they declassified?

Can you use this magical powers to reclassify?

Can Joe Biden engage in his powers of presidential classification and reclassify the documents?

Could Barack Obama declassify the stuff Hillary mishandled? Mentally? Just snap his fingers Thanos style and it's over?

The sky is the limit on this lunacy.

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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Like I understand the game, but this really a new low in cynical bullshit. Obviously the game is to just lie lie lie deny deny deny deflect deflect deflect and spew as much bullshit as you can, and if enough people go along with it, it becomes reality. Anyone who honestly takes up this message is just too far loving gone. It's a blatantly transparent self-serving lie and it's getting old to watch people pick up transparent zero effort lies and run with them as the truth.

Give me a lie that at least takes more than a half of second of critical thought to knock down. Give me back my Lee Atwater style lies. Those at least were abstract enough to be plausible.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 22, 2022

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