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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Right now someone is probably making the case that student loan payments suck money out of the economy and would help with inflation

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The view of SCOTUS of the time was, essentially, “if we can just get everyone to agree that slaves are not people everything will work itself out”

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Stay a while, and listen (to my stump speech)

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Sounds like we finally hit the Peak Oil we’ve been worrying about for the last couple of decades

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Trump will never allow DeSantis/Trump to happen. He’d refuse the offer and whine about unfairness/cheating before accepting a second-fiddle post

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

CommieGIR posted:

I dunno. Trump might actually think DeSantis would be a good lackey, but that's where the issue would be: I doubt DeSantis would accept a VP only spot, and I doubt Trump would accept it either.

That’s what I meant- I don’t know if DeSantis would accept VP, but I am absolutely sure that Trump will not accept VP under any circumstances.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Finally all those good guys with guns will have a chance to prove they can stop crime

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
New York is preparing its legislative response to the new ruling.

quote:

Specifically, prior court precedent allows the restriction of guns in certain “sensitive places.” Hochul said she and lawmakers are discussing a measure that would clearly lay out a list of sensitive places where guns aren’t allowed. While the language is yet to be negotiated, Hochul said she wants to see the subway system on the list while also mentioning areas like schools and restaurants.

But Thomas’ written opinion already seemed to limit what the state can and can’t do with such restrictions. Specifically, he made clear New York City couldn’t just name an entire borough like Manhattan as a “sensitive place.”

“(T)here is no historical basis for New York to effectively declare the island of Manhattan a ‘sensitive place’ simply because it is crowded and protected generally by the New York City Police Department,” Thomas wrote.

Other measures Hochul said are under consideration include:

Changing the permitting process to require specific training in order to obtain a concealed-carry permit.

Allowing businesses and private property owners to “protect themselves” by prohibiting concealed weapons on their grounds.

https://gothamist.com/news/new-york-lawmakers-drafting-new-gun-control-laws-in-response-to-supreme-court

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1540348734533296128

fugitive slave laws are back on the menu boys.

anyone that isn't for court expansion or getting rid of it entirely at this point can get hosed

A few blue states have already passed laws declaring they will not cooperate with out-of-state requests in these areas. Should be some fun court (and non-court) battles in the future

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Ornery and Hornery posted:

My concern is that a lot of the blue states are also plentiful with reds, and many of the blues in those states aren't particularly useful anyway.

Like what blue state do you move to, that has the highest likelihood of preserving those rights?

New York and California, mostly. A blue person moving to a state also makes it (marginally) more blue so it's partly a self-fulfilling prophecy. No state is 100% blue but those two and some others have consistently elected pro-abortion governments for a very long time

If there's federal movement on a full national ban then all bets are off but if you want to do something for your family today those are your options

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Also it is absolutely not true that tribal lands are outside scotus jurisdiction, they rule on native issues all the time and could easily close any real loophole that was found

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He also said that he had no idea what his court nominees' views on abortion were and wouldn't make it a litmus test before coming out the next day and saying he will only appoint strong pro-life judges.

This reversal appears to have been one of those instances where the last thing someone said to him stuck, except in this case it was a longtime pro-life activist who had wormed into the campaign

quote:

Dannenfelser attended a meeting where, after being introduced by Jerry Falwell Jr. and Franklin Graham and flanked by Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson, Trump — on his third wife and third sexual-assault allegation — professed his Christian faith. Dannenfelser claimed to be “impressed.” The campaign asked her to head up its pro-life coalition, essentially asking to use her extensive election infrastructure.

She said she would, for a promise. She sent a pledge, via Conway, for Trump’s signature committing him to “nominating pro-life justices to the Supreme Court.” This was not a request her group had made before. “No president wanted to talk about a pro-life judge,” Dannenfelser tells me. “They were willing to say a ‘constitutionalist judge’ or a ‘strict-constructionist judge,’ and we decided in the end, with Trump, we’re just going to say what we mean.”

She waited for a response, expecting objections to the wording; in typical negotiations of this kind, politicians behaved as if she were trying to trap them, which, of course, she was. As it turned out, Trump did want the letter edited. He wanted it to begin, according to Dannenfelser, with “a description of how terrible Hillary is on life.”

https://www.thecut.com/article/marjorie-dannenfelser-abortion-roe-v-wade.html

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Is there anything about Roe in the "Spicy Lingerie Warehouse" newsletter?

"If you'd like to increase the chance of your life being upended with no recourse thanks to a bunch of fascist Christian autocrats, we have just the thing!"

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
If a federal abortion ban were enacted, a president could instruct the DOJ not to enforce it or pardon anyone already prosecuted under it. State laws would still be out of reach

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

StratGoatCom posted:

You can bet they're gonna try felony disenfranchisement shenanigans with miscarriages.

If you can do that you may as well just jail them for murder

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Also, if I recall correctly, the president can't issue class based pardons.

Didn't Carter pardon the class of Vietnam draft dodgers?

The McCauliffe thing was specific to Virginia law IIRC

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
If you must participate in the GOP primary vote for whoever would most likely lose the general thanks

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

This is the logic the Hillary campaign bought into when they decided to help Trump win the GOP nomination. It did not end well.

Staying out entirely is better, I agree, but that was in reply to someone who was speaking hypothetically about doing it

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Kraftwerk posted:

So how does abortion work in a blue state? If you needed one in California, CO, NY etc what is the process? How hosed are you?

Same as it was on Thursday. This decision does not directly alter federal abortion policy, it just allows individual states to go hog wild internally. How much state policy can affect other states' policy is one of the fun new discoveries we're going to make over the next few years so there's no definitive answer to that yet.

haveblue fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jun 25, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

MadJackal posted:

We need to include in basic sex ed the spontaneous abortion rate for pregnancies.

Spoiler, it's around 1 in 5.

Also sounds like getting born is a bad idea and we should do something about it

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Flying-PCP posted:

The SCOTUS decision was only 'called shot' if you believe a conservative staffer leaked the draft. I know that's not the main point of the post, but also this isn't twitter and I think it's good for us to all strive for factual accuracy here.

The “called shot” is referring to the concurrence that casts doubt on various other decisions

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, the problem isn't that now the coach is allowed to pray, it's that the coach is allowed to integrate prayer into the football program and make repeating his prayers a condition of having good standing on the team. Not as official policy, but as soft social pressure, backed up by his concrete authority as an employee of a government-run school. This is exactly the sort of thing the First Amendment is supposed to prevent.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, exactly. It removes the main avenue of recourse for squishy, implicit situations where the immediate chain of superiors won't step in for whatever reason

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
How much of that statement comes from the past few weeks of his wife being revealed as a highly influential seditionist?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
In Ireland about a decade ago, a woman died while doctors dithered over whether saving her from an unviable pregnancy was legal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

The backlash led to the country legalizing abortion. Ideally we can get (back) there without unnecessary deaths but there is precedent for the hard way

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
They had the same internal argument about Manchin and Sinema that we did, and came to the same conclusion that there's no way to do anything about them before the next election

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I'm not that far from the NYC court district and that makes me want to go down there and hand out jury nullification pamphlets

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

America Inc. posted:

Is it fair to say that the Republicans are conservatives that want to go back to 1950, and the Democrats are conservatives that want to go back to 1990?

No. Republicans want to go back much further than that

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I remember pre-2016 discussions along the lines of "what would the secret service do if one candidate physically attacked another?" and I guess it's comforting to know the SS has no problem corralling or restraining a president for their own good

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Ghislaine Maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison, which is likely to represent most if not all of the remainder of her life (one way or another :tinfoil:)

https://apnews.com/article/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-sentencing-aeac127f9cc3811d975ce8e10d171260

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The Splat Heard 'Round The World

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Eric Adams has a broken clock moment

quote:

“I think the district attorney, he has the wrong person that he’s investigating,” Mr. Adams said, during an unrelated media availability in Harlem. “To falsely report a crime is a crime. If that video wasn’t there, then this person would have been charged with punching the former mayor.”

Mr. Adams said he was talking to the police commissioner, Keechant Sewell, about whether Mr. Giuliani’s actions themselves constituted a crime.

“When you look at the video, the guy basically walked by and patted him on the back,” Mr. Adams said. “It was clear that he was not punched in the head. It was clear that it didn’t feel like a bullet. It was clear that he wasn’t about to fall to the ground.”

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Learned helplessness would be constantly asserting that there's nothing we can do and we've already lost permanently and forever. Good thing nothing like that ever gets posted in here

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Will likely require military bases to perform abortions in compliance with Hyde

The Hyde amendment prevents government money from being spent directly on abortions so what does this mean exactly? Ask the medics nicely to do it for free? No elective abortions, only rape/incest/health emergencies?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Flying-PCP posted:

So the question is, is the decision written in a way that fucks over all government agencies, as people were fearing?

It makes it harder for them to do their jobs, and significantly harder to address the climate crisis, but it isn't an instant dissolution of every administrative agency like was feared

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Crows Turn Off posted:

It basically says that Congress has to give them explicit approval for regulations, which is in reality an impossibility with the goal of the Republicans to get rid of regulations. And the court knows it's impossible.

Which is still better than the expected ruling of "Congress is not allowed to delegate regulating authority, full stop. All regulations not in the form of laws passed by Congress and signed by the president are void immediately."

haveblue fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 30, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Crows Turn Off posted:

They are void until Congress says otherwise, yes? How much faith do you have in Congress?

I'm not a lawyer and haven't read the decision but the reaction from people who have is that the only thing that gets immediately invalidated is the EPA's CO2 authority. Other regulations are now *more* vulnerable to challenge but still in effect until that challenge actually happens

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Koos Group posted:

States can't prosecute you for anything, but there is legal precedent in Texas for allowing civil litigation on the issue, and anti-abortion lawmakers are pursuing a strategy to introduce this in other parts of the country. The Biden justice department has warned states that it would fight these laws for violating the interstate commerce clause, however. Full details here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/

A number of states have also passed laws forbidding themselves from cooperating with other states in this area, too. Like, if someone in Texas tries to sue someone in Connecticut over a telemedicine abortion, Connecticut will just ignore it. This is probably not healthy for the legal system as a whole but it's better than the alternative

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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If it’s 150 Dem judges and then 80 GOP judges it might be a good deal. Anything else runs a severe risk of getting hosed

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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New York has passed their updated gun laws, so now that you can get your concealed carry license actually performing concealed carry has gotten much harder, especially in New York City.

The most significant change is greatly expanding the list of "sensitive places" in which guns are not permitted. Thomas said that you can't just make a blanket declaration that a vast area is sensitive (his example was the entire island of Manhattan) but it's still unclear where the line is and the legislature took full advantage of that.

You can no no longer carry a gun in:

-Government buildings
-Medical facilities
-Religious facilities
-Educational facilities
-Parks, zoos, and museums
-Theaters, stadiums, and other performance spaces
-"Places where alcohol or marijuana is consumed"
-Polling places
-Public transit
-Times Square specifically
-Any private business that does not post a sign explicitly permitting guns

That last bit is the rub as it's very obviously intended to take advantage of social pressure and make allowing guns in your business a commercial death sentence. I guess we revisit the definition of "sensitive place" in a couple of years once someone sues over it.

There are a number of other relatively minor tweaks, like raising the age to buy assault rifles (was 18, now 21), banning the sale of body armor to the public, and making red flag orders easier to file.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-may-ban-concealed-guns-many-places-including-times-square-2022-07-01/

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