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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Platystemon posted:

I did not have this on my BINGO card.

I figured the Black Hammer types were an op of some sort. I just wasn't expecting it to be Russia holding the strings.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

M_Gargantua posted:

I have a personal and professional need to start my own fab. How do I tap into this governmental largesse?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-congress-passage-subsidies-prompts-chip-makers-move-projects-2022-07-28/

Partner with a megacorp, a university, and submit your claim through the Commerce Department. 3.5ez

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I figured the Black Hammer types were an op of some sort. I just wasn't expecting it to be Russia holding the strings.

I would've said they were an op but it would've been a bit tongue in cheek. Lol the 20's are a wild rear end decade

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

That guard casually dropping in from what seems like the second floor of nowhere is pretty badass, tbh

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

US Berder Patrol posted:

I would've said they were an op but it would've been a bit tongue in cheek. Lol the 20's are a wild rear end decade

My guess would've been "random American billionaire funding dead end leftist idiots to discredit the sane ones".

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-politics-shootings-congress-fd91c092aef91a992ee959399ba6f222

This is the bill that passed the house: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text

quote:

Section 1 - You can call this bill the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2022” for short
Section 2 - Here are some new definitions to add to the previous 37 definitions
semiautomatic pistol
semiautomatic shotgun
semiautomatic assault weapon (this one includes a long list of actual models)
large capacity ammunition feeding device
barrel shroud
detachable ammunition feeding device
fixed ammunition feeding device
folding, telescoping, or detachable stock
forward grip
grenade launcher
permanently inoperable
pistol grip
threaded barrel
qualified law enforcement officer
grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon
belt-fed semiautomatic firearm
Section 3 - New restrictions to be added
new semiautomatic assault weapons are now unlawful to possess, sell, manufacture, etc.
old ones prior to this law are fine
A couple more exceptions
But it's okay for some law enforcement agencies to sometimes have this stuff
Or a campus law enforcement agency
Attorney General will keep a list of all semiautomatic weapons' usage in crimes
large capacity ammunition feeding devices are now unlawful to, etc.
old ones prior to the law are fine
More of the same additional exceptions as above
If you have a grandfathered in semiautomatic weapon, you gotta keep it either on your person or locked in secure gun storage at all times
All new semiautomatic weapons must have ID markings that indicate they are new
ID markings for new large capacity feeding devices too
Adds large capacity feeding devices to various portions of the "penalties" section about 80 pages of specific guns that are exempt
Section 4 - minor update to numbering/lettering in the Penalties section
Section 5 - Details about how to sell grandfathered firearms including a 90-day window after the law goes into effect
Section 6 - Adds semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to the 1968 Byrne Grants law about buy-back programs.
Section 7 - If part of this act is determined to be unconstitutional, the other parts remain in place.

It's pretty obvious why the Democrats passed the bill in the house. Polls suggest democratic voters really support gun control. The polling says democratic voters generally said the gun control bill that was signed by Biden last month did not go far enough.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/07/11/broad-public-approval-of-new-gun-law-but-few-say-it-will-do-a-lot-to-stem-gun-violence/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/cnn-poll-gun-policy/index.html

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013
I don’t have any guns, well I do but I don’t posses them, they’re in a different state far away. I say that to try to indicate I’m not a big gun guy, NRA member type.

How does this bill truly help fix the mass shooting problem? I just didn’t read anything that popped out at me as “Ah hah! That’ll keep 7 year olds from being slaughtered.”

I’m fully prepared to be wrong, would like to be wrong, and hope I am wrong. So with that said can someone explain to me how this is good and will stop mass shootings? Or is this just more incrementalism likely to be shutdown by the Chudges?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

I don’t have any guns, well I do but I don’t posses them, they’re in a different state far away. I say that to try to indicate I’m not a big gun guy, NRA member type.

How does this bill truly help fix the mass shooting problem? I just didn’t read anything that popped out at me as “Ah hah! That’ll keep 7 year olds from being slaughtered.”

I’m fully prepared to be wrong, would like to be wrong, and hope I am wrong. So with that said can someone explain to me how this is good and will stop mass shootings? Or is this just more incrementalism likely to be shutdown by the Chudges?

It doesn't, and it's not supposed to. It's like how the Liberal Party up here in canuckistan bans whatever Americans use in mass shootings to "fight gun crime" when almost every example of gun violence in Canada involves an unlicensed handgun smuggled in from the US.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Any gun bill that doesn’t start with “ban all handguns” wouldn’t do much if anything to gun crime.

As a gun owner if they carved out a clause for historical pistols not just “50 year old” I’d be for it.

In trade protect the right to rifles and shotguns of a certain lengths for the “right to bear arms”.

None of this will ever happen.

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010
https://twitter.com/Spa_Eng/status/1551627809973485573?s=20&t=Oyj3dXizO-fO6Os6xRF-YQ

I didn't know they were doing a sequel, but the trailer looks promising.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Sandpiercer

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Hannibal Rex posted:

https://twitter.com/Spa_Eng/status/1551627809973485573?s=20&t=Oyj3dXizO-fO6Os6xRF-YQ

I didn't know they were doing a sequel, but the trailer looks promising.

Their video media game is p strong, I'll give em that

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared
Fun Shoe

Hannibal Rex posted:

https://twitter.com/Spa_Eng/status/1551627809973485573?s=20&t=Oyj3dXizO-fO6Os6xRF-YQ

I didn't know they were doing a sequel, but the trailer looks promising.

Well this looks better than Megacity 1.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Crab Dad posted:

Any gun bill that doesn’t start with “ban all handguns” wouldn’t do much if anything to gun crime.

As a gun owner if they carved out a clause for historical pistols not just “50 year old” I’d be for it.

In trade protect the right to rifles and shotguns of a certain lengths for the “right to bear arms”.

None of this will ever happen.

If real gun control happens in this country it'll be something that exceeds what Great Britain has, except law enforcement will still have machine guns and tanks.

Bored As gently caress posted:

Well this looks better than Megacity 1.

Not really, instead of living in a prison you get to live in a prison wall. I've read nightmarish science fiction stories set in almost exactly this scenario.

A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jul 30, 2022

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Older but still good write-up on the craziness behind Neom: https://malekafzali.substack.com/p/neom-the-line-to-oblivion

Guess every dictator eventually ends up with their own Germania project.

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Even more insane than the conditions humans inside will be subjected to are the environmental ones an impermeable barrier that large will cause. Can't wait for even just simple erosion to bury one side entirely in dead desert sand

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Platystemon posted:

I did not have this on my BINGO card.

Looks like it's not an isolated incident.

quote:

ST. LOUIS — As chairman of the African People’s Socialist Party, Omali Yeshitela wears a black beret with a red star on it. He calls people “comrade.” He said he’s traveled to the likes of Nicaragua and Russia for years to speak about the ongoing implications of colonialism on Black people.

In an email, Joshua Morrill, acting assistant special agent in charge of the FBI in St. Louis, described the Missouri raids as “court-authorized law enforcement activity” involved with an ongoing investigation that on Friday included unsealing the indictment of a Russian national.

Aleksandr Viktorovich Ionov, founder and president of the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, was charged with one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States. According to the indictment, he, along with officers in Russia’s internal security and counter intelligence service, allegedly used “members of U.S. political groups as foreign agents of Russia within the United States, without notification to the Attorney General.”

Partnerships were allegedly formed that provided financial support to the groups that would “publish pro-Russian propaganda, as well as other information designed to cause dissension in the United States and to promote secessionist ideologies.”

The indictment says the U.S. groups in question are based in Florida, Georgia and California. None of the groups, nor their leaders, were formally named.

Yeshitela said he was one of them. He hasn’t been charged with a crime. He said he hosted his own press conference Friday to counter the federal narrative.

He said he knew Ionov and had gone on two paid trips to Russia. He said he attended an anti-globalization conference there, but that he’s been battling colonialism for 50 years.

“The U.S. government is attempting to use us, the African People’s Socialist Party and the Uhuru Movement, as pawns in this struggle that they are engaged in, trying to deal with the clear political and economic change that is happening in the configuration of power in the world,” Yeshitela said. “And they see themselves as contending with Russia. Russia is a bone in their throat.”

He said his association with Ionov wasn’t enough to justify raiding his home. He said they take donations from a wide array of contributors.

“Don’t tell us we can’t have friends that you don’t like,” he said.

He said he thinks there were several reasons for the federal action.

“One is because of our effectiveness struggling for Black people and Black power in this country and around the world, especially in St. Louis,” he said.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status/1553533320469905409?s=20&t=Z43zJwOrqecTI-k68RczGQ
Lol of loving course

Edit: Apparently that tweet got deleted so here's one that didn't

Nick Soapdish fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jul 31, 2022

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared
Fun Shoe

Soul Dentist posted:

Even more insane than the conditions humans inside will be subjected to are the environmental ones an impermeable barrier that large will cause. Can't wait for even just simple erosion to bury one side entirely in dead desert sand

Everything would be an issue. Just look at one: water and sewage.

How do they get fresh potablewater? Where are the wastewater treatment centers/plants? How do they recycle gray water while dealing with black water? How many chemical plants are necessary to provide enough chemicals to treat gray and black water? Where are the nuclear power plants vital to anything like this? Where are the desalination plants to provide enough water to residents? Because there will absolutely not be enough water without huge desalination plants.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1553392082491932672

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

Mark Kelly has to deal with the same electorate as her, yet doesn't feel the need to do any of this bullshit. Every one of these stunts hurts her in the next primary. Kelley is up like 7 points in his next race.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
Arizona is the worst

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
BREAKING: clean plate status once again in question



He’s going to be fine, he’s not even symptomatic and he has all the medical care money can buy if symptoms do return.

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Current event: I just learned about Yamibuy, a website just to buy east Asian grocery items and snacks and immediately dropped like eighty bucks:



Highlights include hawthorne fruit leather, hickory flavored sunflower seeds, Korean fried chicken flavored pea crisps, and honey butter Lay's chips that taste like a Texas Roadhouse dinner roll. Also this cartoon on the back of a bag of barbecue corn snacks:



Which reminded me of this thread

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Nothing says "healthy, functional society" like having to assume that anyone looking out their window is an active shooter.

https://twitter.com/shawnmicallef/status/1553391429308882946

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
I can still bring my gun into Le Meridien, right? Otherwise I'm being oppressed

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Sacrist65 posted:

Mark Kelly has to deal with the same electorate as her, yet doesn't feel the need to do any of this bullshit. Every one of these stunts hurts her in the next primary. Kelley is up like 7 points in his next race.

Sinema has huffed her own farts for so long that all she does is talk to lobbyists and people that tell her she's going to be the next President or the next coming of John McCain. Also unclear if she's that concerned about getting primaried in 2024, as she apparently has some delusions of running as an Independent or some weird poo poo. She hasn't been attending caucus meetings for Reasons and she's just generally Weird.

Sacrifice the carried interest tax loophole (~$12B) to make her lobbyists happy and pass the fucker. Or even knock down the corporate minimum tax rate if it'll make her happy, there's far too much good poo poo in the bill to allow her to kill it.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

facialimpediment posted:

Sinema has huffed her own farts for so long that all she does is talk to lobbyists and people that tell her she's going to be the next President or the next coming of John McCain. Also unclear if she's that concerned about getting primaried in 2024, as she apparently has some delusions of running as an Independent or some weird poo poo. She hasn't been attending caucus meetings for Reasons and she's just generally Weird.

Sacrifice the carried interest tax loophole (~$12B) to make her lobbyists happy and pass the fucker. Or even knock down the corporate minimum tax rate if it'll make her happy, there's far too much good poo poo in the bill to allow her to kill it.

would she realistically get primaried? ousted by a republican in the general seems far more likely

i do not know what bizarro world has the democratic party not quash any attempt to primary a sitting senator in a battleground state, but we're sure as hell not in it. she's getting successfully primaried about as Manchin has since 2010

i mean, i guess they did sorta tacitly approve de Leon's challenge to Feinstein, but they probably had decent confidence in the eventual outcome and it's not like California is going to have a Republican senator anytime soon

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

VSOKUL girl posted:

would she realistically get primaried? ousted by a republican in the general seems far more likely

i do not know what bizarro world has the democratic party not quash any attempt to primary a sitting senator in a battleground state, but we're sure as hell not in it. she's getting successfully primaried about as Manchin has since 2010

i mean, i guess they did sorta tacitly approve de Leon's challenge to Feinstein, but they probably had decent confidence in the eventual outcome and it's not like California is going to have a Republican senator anytime soon

Yes, highly likely she'd get primaried by Representative Ruben Gallego. Her approval ratings for Democrats in Arizona are lower than her Republican approval ratings and Gallego is making a lot of noise like he wants to do it because life in the House sucks:

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1552731380664209408

Sinema isn't on a day-to-day talking basis with Schumer per Politico, so she doesn't have a whole lot of friends in the Senate. The DNC/DSCC probably wouldn't take a position in a Gallego vs Sinema primary. And Arizona is lightly shaded Red and running complete Republican loonies at the state level, so there's a halfway-decent chance that a non-shitfuck Democrat (like a Kelly) would win and remain reliable. Arizona isn't even close to West Virginia where any statewide Democrat is loving dead meat if it isn't Manchin. Technically, Sinema hasn't torpedoed anywhere near as much as Manchin has, but it's clear Democrats could upgrade by primarying Sinema and it's a reasonable gamble in a presidential-year election.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

VSOKUL girl posted:

would she realistically get primaried? ousted by a republican in the general seems far more likely

i do not know what bizarro world has the democratic party not quash any attempt to primary a sitting senator in a battleground state, but we're sure as hell not in it. she's getting successfully primaried about as Manchin has since 2010

i mean, i guess they did sorta tacitly approve de Leon's challenge to Feinstein, but they probably had decent confidence in the eventual outcome and it's not like California is going to have a Republican senator anytime soon

Arizona Democrats absolutely despise Sinema. They'd vote for a literal cartoon supervillain over her in the primary. She's poisoned her own well that badly.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010


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Ultra Carp
It's also been reported that Sinema pretty much dumped everyone who helped her get to the Senate the moment she didn't need them anymore. She's got her corporate donors, but who's going to phone bank or knock on doors for her?


facialimpediment posted:

Sinema isn't on a day-to-day talking basis with Schumer per Politico, so she doesn't have a whole lot of friends in the Senate. The DNC/DSCC probably wouldn't take a position in a Gallego vs Sinema primary. And Arizona is lightly shaded Red and running complete Republican loonies at the state level, so there's a halfway-decent chance that a non-shitfuck Democrat (like a Kelly) would win and remain reliable. Arizona isn't even close to West Virginia where any statewide Democrat is loving dead meat if it isn't Manchin. Technically, Sinema hasn't torpedoed anywhere near as much as Manchin has, but it's clear Democrats could upgrade by primarying Sinema and it's a reasonable gamble in a presidential-year election.

The thing about Manchin versus Sinema is that while both of them are shits, Manchin is at least (somewhat) more predictable. You know what he wants, you know what his base wants, he's usually willing to negotiate, you can work with that—and while he gets off on defying the administration/mainstream democrats, he's usually willing to give them a win so long as it looks like he's sticking them in the eye or moderating their proposals.

Sinema, meanwhile, plays her cards so close to her chest it's difficult or even impossible to know what she's willing to vote for. She refuses to be nailed down on specific policies, won't speak to reporters, and during the negotiations last year would only talk directly to the White House. Even if she's willing to go farther than Manchin on certain issues (Except taxes, as has repeatedly become clear), the sheer fact that she's so difficult to nail down and negotiate with was one of the major factors that derailed BBB last year.

So, yeah, even if Manchin is a worse dem on paper, I think the Dem Senate caucus would be much happier to kick out Sinema. Preferably into the sun.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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Manchin also has the highest approval rating of any democratic senator in their home state, iirc.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Acebuckeye13 posted:

So, yeah, even if Manchin is a worse dem on paper, I think the Dem Senate caucus would be much happier to kick out Sinema. Preferably into the sun.

Here's the quote I was looking for, and I was wrong, WSJ not politico:

https://twitter.com/aduehren/status/1553075271523340298

I have no idea how the gently caress you deal with a fellow Senator that you can't just simply *talk to* and have to go through intermediaries THAT ARE LOBBYISTS. Of course they're all getting pumped up by lobbyists, but Senators truly believe that "world's greatest deliberative body" horseshit.

Mr. Nice! posted:

Manchin also has the highest approval rating of any democratic senator in their home state, iirc.

April poll had him at 57% approval. That's hilariously high for a Democrat in an R+23 state and I didn't even know it was that high.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

facialimpediment posted:

April poll had him at 57% approval. That's hilariously high for a Democrat in an R+23 state and I didn't even know it was that high.

Say what you will about him, you can't deny that Manchin knows his electorate.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010


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Ultra Carp

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Say what you will about him, you can't deny that Manchin knows his electorate.

They want to own the libs, and Manchin delivers.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


I left my window open for like two hours while I dealt with one of my doggos not feeling good (horray for having a veterinarian wife and administering IV fluids on a Saturday night), so pretty much everything bellow is just echoing what Facial Impediment and Acebuckeye have said but TLDR: Sinema is high on her own supply, and it does have the potential to backfire for her.

Sacrist65 posted:

Mark Kelly has to deal with the same electorate as her, yet doesn't feel the need to do any of this bullshit. Every one of these stunts hurts her in the next primary. Kelley is up like 7 points in his next race.
Yeah, the Dems are prepping Ruben Gallego to primary her in '24 if she keeps this up. It's an open secret at this point. A year ago it was "Hey, if you don't cut the poo poo, you're on your own in 2024". If she tanks this? lol, they will line up behind Gallego or someone else if they present a better chance at unseating her and retaining the seat. The are two possible things to be optimistic about with regards to her and this bill. One is that Manchin would likely give a poo poo that his time was wasted because she changed her mind, and he'd let her know it one way or another (You ain't getting a high paid lobbying gig if Manchin makes it clear he thinks you suck poo poo). The other is that she's dumb enough to think that if she votes for this, she can tout it as her being the savior of this bill or some other nonsense in her quest for whatever the gently caress she's trying to achieve.

Also despite the "lol, she's doing this for a lobbyist gig, she doesn't care!" ideas that float around, this isn't going to help her in that department. Most congresscritters that become lobbyists, or at least high paid ones, have solid working relationships from their time in congress that they can call back on to lobby for poo poo. This is why Liberman, detestable as he is to roughly 99% of humanity, is able to make good money lobbying on occasion whenever he comes out of whatever rock he usually sleeps under. rear end in a top hat had several terms in the senate along with the working relationships to go with it. She doesn't have that. EDIT: As Facial Impediment pointed out, she's not really bothering to attend caucus meetings or one on ones with Schumer.

Sinema ain't Liberman. And she sure as gently caress isn't McCain. If she leaves congress after her single term (either due to her not running again or her losing a primary), Dems won't want to hear a loving word from her if the rumor mill about her current working relationships are true, and the GOP isn't going to care for her anymore because she's no longer of any use to them. And corporations? What good is continuing to pay someone who can no longer deliver for you? They're telling her what she wants to hear right now but as soon as they don't need her anymore, lol. Don't even get me started on her ground game/AZ support.

She'll still end up living a life of comfort far better than she deserves because I'm sure somewhere, someone will continue to pay her a stupid speaking fee regardless of what happens. But her influence in the senate won't matter for poo poo beyond 2024. If we're really lucky, it won't matter six months from now.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
She's going to be handsomely rewarded by the interests she has so spectacularly protected. If she isn't, the entire system of graft breaks down

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

Proud Christian Mom posted:

She's going to be handsomely rewarded by the interests she has so spectacularly protected. If she isn't, the entire system of graft breaks down

I call hogwash. I’d say bullshit, but I don’t want to seem uncivil.

That graft system can survive just about anything. If the nukes go off, I assure you the only survivors who won’t be praying for death are the graft class.

I don’t think dropping Sinema like she’s Clapton’s clumsy kiddo near a window will even register as a blip in the scheme of things for the graft machine.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I bet you could buy Sinema off for like, $150k.

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
so uh what's going on with the pegging thing

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