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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Huxley posted:

The truth is, you almost certainly don’t need new gear. You don’t need new pickups. You don’t need a boutique pedal. You need to get off YouTube. All of that stuff has its place, but when you’re starting out you need an instrument that doesn’t fight against you and an amp that noise comes out of and has some effects built into it.

:frogsiren: gently caress THE POLICE BUY GEAR ITS NEW GEAR FRIDAY :frogsiren:



Both recent purchases showed up today. The Dr. Robert is pretty darn amazing (it should be for the price). It's the Beatles in a box, and it makes sense why a lot of cover bands use it. I love that era of the Beatles, so it's a lot of fun to jam along and actually sound like the song.

This is my first compressor, and I have no idea how to use it well yet, but it's really cool getting oodles of sustain in a way I've never been able to before. I'm thinking I'll treat the Dr. Robert almost like a fuzz into the compressor, then into a Klone, but I have no idea until I try a bunch of permutations. I have lots of goofing around to do this weekend.

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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber posted:

wish gretsch made something a little more aesthetically tasteful than saul goodman's cadillac deville, because filtertrons are super nice sounding

I literally just watched a DBG video about him putting a bigsby and some filtertrons on a tele because he didn't care for the Gretsch look. It did sound really nice.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I'm on vacation and reading a bunch and catching up on interviews and new albums. I just found out that Andy Summers doesn't really care for teles any longer and he considers the strat a perfect guitar. Obviously people should play whatever they like and tastes change - but, I'm a huge Andy Summers fan so it's a little sad to me, because his tele is iconic.

Then I read that Porcupine Tree released a new album just a month or two back! And Steven Wilson has a new favorite guitar that is gorgeous:

Steven Wilson posted:

And I say this only partly tongue in cheek because it is partly true, it's the only guitar that I've ever truly loved. Because I always thought of guitars as tools… until I got this one. This is a guitar I can genuinely say I have some kind of attachment too. It feels like a treasure to me in a way that my other guitars didn't. Sorry, all the other guitars I've played but this is special.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

If you're not prepared to hand-wind your own pickups again and again until the tone is just right, do you even really care about guitar?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I played a 335 the other day and I can't believe how much I liked it. How close can it get to things like Knopflers LP on Brothers on Arms?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Dr. Faustus posted:

The big neck-through hollowbody is going to resonate and you will hear that in the amped guitar's output. It could obscure your attack and affect your sustain a little, but luckily Knopfler's tone is already really really compressed and dark, so I can't say just how much you will notice it. The short answer to your question is "reasonably close." The more similar the pickups are the closer you will get.
Brothers In Arms is actually the only Dire Straits album I have, I got it and The Nylon Curtain on vinyl with my first bedroom stereo, and I played the hell out of those records.

I've heard several people say that an LP sounds like a compressed 335. Does that mean running a 335 through a compressor gets you part of the way there?

The pickups I'd put in a 335 are Wolfetone's Marshallhead and Dr. Vintage, which are basically designed to be what Page used circa '72 when he got that hot bridge replacement.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I'm allowing myself some GAS as a treat because I start lessons tomorrow. After trying my dad's Washburn 335-like, I really want a Gibson ES-335 but I'm not paying $3000 for one. I also learned there's no way in hell I could ever switch to righty. I can't even play a D chord without muting multiple strings even after a few days of trying.

Debating trying to build one vs waiting for this year's Epiphones to come out and basically replacing everything. I'd love to find a used Casino or Sheraton II or something but curse the southpaw market for being so limited!

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

BonHair posted:

I remember playing a gig where the other band's guitarist was a leftie. I noticed he kept playing this loving weird rear end shape on the strings closest to his feet. This was a hard rock/metal band, so it seemed weird until I realised that that's how upside down power chords look. The guitar was a leftie, but strung as a rightie. I guess he learned to play that way?

This is like the worst possible combo.. why?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I finally finished my first build-your-own pedal, a Klon clone - and it doesn't work. This is totally deflating after days of delays, hours of work, and a few finger burns. Tomorrow I'll hit the builder forums and see if anyone can help my understand why the voltages on my ICs are so different.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber posted:

so if anyone has any recommendations for songs that sound like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm0L77G6VnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427cKssMigM

in terms of vibe (kinda wistful and sad) and melody (long and motivic), please let me know, cause it's my favorite stuff

I don't dip into that pool often, but if I want under-produced wistful melancholy my go-to is David Bazan/Pedro the Lion. Achilles Heel is a wonderful album, but Arizona is the stand out song to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT0pzwr2G2g

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

so no one found out for sure what the powder is on the gator grip? i'm okay with it being a carcinogen

this is some Robert Johnson level dedication to guitar

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Anyone able to help chase down some tone? The "dreamy" clean tone in the intro and continuing on into the first verse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ONcyaZazxg

My naive ear still sucks a bit at distinguishing types of delay and types of reverb, and I think this is about the time period he was using rack-mounted fx so no easy "he used these pedals". Is this a hall reverb going into an analog delay? Or some other modulation?

I'm not really getting close with my amp (Yamaha THR30ii), and thinking about picking up a reverb and/or a delay to start experimenting and working towards this tone. Which effect would be a good first supplement to the limited delay and modulation on my amp?

luchadornado fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Aug 14, 2022

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

We could band together and form a luthier co-op that resurrects the Parker Fly. What could possibly go wrong with a goon initiative?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

What's a good budget power supply for pedals to start with? I was thinking 5-8 ports. Was looking at that Harley Benton for $41, but I'm not dropping $30 on shipping for that.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Today was a good day for guitar:
- I figured out the problem on my klon circuit and just need to wait for new capacitors to replace the ones I fried
- I was practicing alternate picking and something just went off like a light-switch and I was zen picking for a while
- My teacher decided to take me out of the dry book learning and is having me learn Pearl Jam's Alive

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I think I found my dream guitar, a blue ASAT Bluesboy:

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

There are a million tool kits and instructions out there on how to setup a guitar - any particular faves people would like to share?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

NGD (and the first time I hooked up a pedal chain):



I wanted an echo-sounding delay with some extra fun, and the Keeley Eccos was a very good price used. And by "used", I think the seller meant "someone opened the box and looked at it once". I've mainly been getting normal sounds out of it, but every once in awhile I'll play with it and coax some more extreme flanger-tinged delays/loops out of it.

I also got the 1 spot that allows them all to be plugged in.

After 20+ hours of troubleshooting, buying new parts, researching and learning, I finally figured out what was wrong with the Klon clone I've been building (the silver, unmarked box). It sounds great, but I need to keep playing around with it and the Dr Robert to see what order I like them in.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Two questions:

As you're figuring out other people's songs - how do you tell which chord voicing to use? I'm learning Pearl Jam's Alive and the acoustic part for the verse is essentially just A and Gadd9 strummed. My guitar teacher showed me one way that is also how it was done on MTV unplugged. The official tab book has another way. The "official" ultimate guitar tab has yet another way.

Also, thinking about that A in Alive - it's much easier to bar with your first finger on the 2nd fret and just not let that high open E ring out. How do you begin thinking about, not just for playing others' songs but your own, when it's "ok" to drop notes from a chord?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Rivers' approach with the Catalog of Riffs and some of the algorithms and programs he's written are really interesting, but the output reminds me of when people were all excited about a fish playing Pokemon - randomly stumbling across a minor success with no way to grow from there. I wonder how much of the interesting stuff landgrabber posted was intentional and how much was happenstance.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I'm sorry, landgrabber - I know Weezer is your jam. I'm wondering out loud on why I've 180'd on them harder than pretty much any other band, because I used to adore them. Algorithms or not, Rivers will undoubtedly accomplish more musically than I ever will. Having actually done data science, machine learning, and all sorts of heuristics professionally over the years I have a personal belief that intuition has an organic beauty that is yet to be captured by machines - that may account for some of that 180. The timeline certainly lines up.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

800peepee51doodoo posted:

People just clown around about them because they are so notorious for having this major breakout album and then fizzling out super hard on everything after. And Rivers' whole, you know *waves hands around* everything

It's funny, because some of their album sales and chart placements were better as they went on.

Their show I saw in 2006 is in my bottom tier of live shows I've ever seen. For the love of god, do not ask someone from the audience to come up and play "Sweater Song" and then urge them to continue trying (unsuccessfully) for what seemed like 10 minutes. But they're still up there with Smashing Pumpkins as the soundtrack to my teen years laying in bed listening to "Soma" and "Only in Dreams" and wondering if the girl I like knows I like her and other dumb poo poo. The Blue Album is something special.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I learned 28 chords today!

It's pretty fun going from knowing like a dozen chords max and all of sudden expanding that 3-fold when you learn how to do minor/aug/dim.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I regret learning lefty for a lot of reasons. I'd recommend anyone new really try righty first, and only give up if lefty totally feels correct.

I'll never find a tangerine burst les Paul in lefty :smith:

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I just started learning Pink Floyd - and specifically Time. David Gilmour is a cheeky poo poo with all those full and 1 1/2 bends. My fingers hurt like hell.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Major Operation posted:

Took some of my own advice and tried out putting a Rat in front of a Timmy. I don't have a JB in a strat, so the closest I could get was a PAF-style bridge pickup in an LP-style guitar going into a clean amp.

Honestly, I don't know that there was enough of a difference to matter once the distortion on the Rat got past 12 o'clock. Signal is just so clipped already that any additional content from asymmetrical clipping might be very faint or might be my imagination. It did bring out the mids a little bit, but that might be achievable with just adjusting the amp EQ.

Pedal board action shot with the Rat clone from early days Chicago Stompworks:


The retro sonic is going to be my next pedal I think. On a scale of 1 to Andy Summers, is it as good as the Internet makes it out to be?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I don't think I'd ever buy this, but it's a really novel idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=207Wen8M5Rk

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I ordered an Epiphone 335 months ago - it might show up before the end of 2022. The downside of being a lefty.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber posted:

guitar players who don't pay any mind to structure or the arrangement or where they sit in it, but are content to just poo poo out notes everywhere, are the worst.

ffs im trying to get better and im taking lessons

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber posted:

and while we’re at it: why are guitar players, especially men, so reluctant to write anything that just sounds pretty, or delicate?? like, i’ve been in guitar stores and heard people start stringing together chords with extensions— and it sounds really cool, and in my head i can hear the next chord, really lush and pretty…

and then boom, you get a blues chord, or something diminished, because they almost got too emotional for a second, or wrote something “for chicks”.

A lot of different types of people play guitar, it's kind of weird to get mad at people for not resolving a progression the way you think it should go.

I'm a dude, and my warmup/trying out instruments routine is usually something like Bring on the Night, Blackbird, Black, etc. All those are rather melodic and and interesting in my mind. I don't know any guitar players that are worried about being "too emotional" :shrug:

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

When I think of guitarists that poo poo notes all over and do sweeps, I think of of like Guthrie Govan, John Petrucci.. guys that know music theory and composition way better than I ever will.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Is there a reason pedals aren't left to right? It's kind of maddening to me for some reason.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Arcsech posted:

Don’t buy a Les Paul.

Buy a single cut ESP LTD instead. Basically the same look, better prices, not locked into bad design choices forever by nostalgic boomers, better QC.

My LTD EC-256 is very nice, especially after a pro setup, and it cost $600 new. Set neck, made in Indonesia, coil split, very light. About the only thing I felt the need to change were the pickups and nut.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Red_Fred posted:

I’ve been eyeing up an EC-1000 as some sort of future LP copy. Are they worth the premium? I assume you looked at them when you got your 256.

I personally didn't think it was worth it because the biggest difference is the pickups, and I didn't like the stock pickups in either model. If you like the pickups - the fretboard, tuners, etc. are nicer and then it's worth it. But at $1100 new there are a lot of other guitars that would also be really nice. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good deal on either though.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber posted:

now, i know i'm a pretentious theory/composition student, but all this stuff is really useful, especially learning inversions and voice leading[..]
i love moveable shapes because they're straight up just more useful. they kind of teach you ways to navigate any key, which really combines well with theoretical concepts. and if you kinda know what you're doing, you can use that stuff to make it easier to play guitar, by thinking about what chord you can get to, by moving just a finger or two.

I told my teacher I liked Andy Summers, so he's been grilling me on the different positions and then 1st and 2nd inversions for each. It's been a grueling few weeks, but I can listen to something like Bring on the Night now and immediately think "oh, the verse is just some 2nd inversions" instead of looking at tab and going "wtf are these weird fingerings". It's a pretty big lightbulb moment.

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Red_Fred posted:

Is there a Nickelback song that one could defend?

Ooh, that's a good challenge.

Nickelback will occasionally cover Big Wreck songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jVdjFQeDSI

And Ian Thornley seems to like Chad Kroeger enough to have him as a guest on songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j8yo_L53vc

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

landgrabber - how are you learning all this stuff? Teachers, books, videos?

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I need a fart pedal, a miku pedal, and a chase bliss mood for my nickelback cover band

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Buschmaki posted:

Alternate picking fast feels so weird and sounds so awful.... I will continue to practice it until I get better.

I've been practicing alternate picking while doing all the scales I know for a few weeks, and it's fun how week-to-week it just feels better.

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luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

Dr. Faustus posted:

Please share your routine. I need help.

Every day I start at the nut, work in half steps, and do a major scale and major/minor pentatonic scales while saying the notes on the E and A strings. All alternate picked. If I fuckup, I slow down and retry that scale.

In four weeks I've gone from "I can't alternate pick and have no idea what any of these scales or notes are" to feeling pretty confident about both.

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