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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
the objectivity vs subjectivity argument can't be solved, and it's secondary to the questions of (a) how hands-on should mods be in regulating discussion and (b) what are the most appropriate moderation tools. there doesn't seem to have been any introspection from the mods on this – by default, their answers appear to be "extremely" and "probation as the only course of action, or drop a snide one-liner in the thread if you don't understand a report".

blind enforcement of minor rule breaking remains extremely counterproductive to discussion, and seems to have resulted in fewer d&d users than ever – so i guess congrats to the mods for progress on their "zero posts by 2028" strategy!

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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
also it is winter

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

some plague rats posted:

It seems like there's a pretty fundamental conflict about what the mods here are trying to accomplish- is the idea to try and create quality debate, or just to punish every rule breach for it's own sake? Because you've now got a guy, the most active mod here, who from the outside seems to treat moderating like he's got a quota. Not "do these posts really interfere with the discussion" but "okay, that's a 2a, that's a 2.1.c, that can be a 1.1.1, that looks like a 3.1," the kind of broken windows approach to moderating that just makes it miserable to post here because any time you're discussing something there's a solid chance that you or the other person is going to get yanked out of the discussion with a big vaudeville hook for some ticky tacky rear end reason. LT 2012 is actually doing a good job because he seems to be leaning heavily towards not probating instead of "okay which rule should I probate this for".

yeah, it's an approach that gives primacy to the rules over the outcomes they're supposed to achieve. it's literal broken windows ideology:

Koos Group posted:

I recognize even a warning can feel heavy-handed coming from a mod, but this is balanced with the need for everyone to understand what expectations are, and if someone breaks a rule with no response from a mod whatsoever people could come to think it isn't a rule or isn't enforced at all.

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