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WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

My feedback is unban the bot that was posting top 10 reasons to have a driving license as he was the most productive US CE poster

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

It seems like every regime of DnD has been a steady uptick in probes per day from the start of the regime to the eventual end of it. It'll go from the most laissez affair style of moderation to full authoritarianism thought police level probations for effort posts that are definitely in good faith.

I mean there was a literal Holocaust denier going around probing anyone who posted anti Russia statements for a month at a time. The whole ramp bullshit that ended up having people probated for a month at a time every 3 posts.

It's been said a bunch but it absolutely feels like positions are moderated as a standard.

Expecting people to serious post in threads that are discussing horrible topics is just awful. And the whole 'then don't post' thing is just more of the same. Lightening up the mood or attempting to do so is sometimes nice to see in a thread discussing the destruction of women's rights or some other example.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Aug 1, 2022

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

It seems as if the modships in their early days try to be chill and change what sucked about the last regime. Then they slowly realize the same thing as the last regime. Probations work as long as they keep getting worse. It's basically tantamount to jail time ever increasing to keep people down.

I see it happen in threads where everyone involved in a slap fight is probed and sometimes people get probed just for posting at the same time or having a one line response to the slap fight.

And I ask myself, is this really going to stop future slapfight and make these posters shape up? Or will they just drift on to the next debate or non SA thing to do.

There's an ignore function for a reason and not allowing people to learn to debate each other is fundamentally a problem. "Debate better and civily" is what half the rules can be boiled down to at their basic idea. Sometimes watching these fights play out can show you what people do when they're under stress. If they break down to just personal attacks yeah I get it probe em. But if they continue to actually give effort even if sloppy and hostile, they"re probably in the process of learning and letting their argument be defeated will be better for all of us and less instant reaction to someone reporting another poster because they are losing just to get the argument ended. Or they disagree with the POSITION of the poster and don't want to get a probe themselves. So reporting becomes the expression of dismay with a posters position.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Main Paineframe posted:

I think it's important to keep the conclusion-drawing part of it reined in, because drawing conclusions can easily become wild conjecture if you go too far. Even the most bizarre conspiracy theories usually start from facts and evidence, and then take giant leaps when drawing conclusions which ultimately bring their claims well beyond what the evidence actually supports.

For example, Bush's intel agencies failed to detect the activities of the 9/11 hijackers, and Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. Put those two together and add in a couple of logical leaps, and you get "Bush allowed 9/11 to happen" or even "Bush did 9/11". But even though adherents of those theories will claim they're just drawing conclusions from facts and evidence, a major aspect of their theories is completely unsupported. They're jumping well beyond what there's actually evidence for, filling in the holes with their own imagination - and often so effectively that they don't even realize they're doing it.

It's not a matter of labels or social consensus. It's a matter of how far the conclusions get from the evidence, and how much conjecture has to be jammed into the holes in the theory to shore up the unsupported pieces.

I mean by this logic wouldn't going "the Saudis did 9/11 and bush used it as a justification to pacify a dictator that had nothing to do with it"

Be just as wild a claim if we were acting on 2001-2004 logic? If someone came into a post 9/11 thread and made that post in today's rule set they'd be probed immediately and continue to try to formulate a theory would result in ramped probes.

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