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This is probably going to derail both the social media and indie threads and it probably deserves its own thread since its spiraling. The background: Wrestle Queerdom is an all trans/nb/gnc indie wrestling event that is run by Sally, a trans woman behind the Transgraps account. You might have noticed the account on twitter, Sally tweets a lot. This will be a problem later. And earlier. She's been on twitter a long time, as has been mentioned in other threads she was a long time Teddy Hart fan (she apologized for her defenses of Teddy) and was briefly involved in trying to organize an All Inoki Inokiist indie show that never happened. She was also the person Kenny Omega is replying to here https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX/status/1056172162594283521 Wrestle Queerdom ran in the Hampshire Dome in Milford NH. Milford is a small town next to Amherst NH, about an hour from Boston. It was announced this spring and booked a pretty impressive card given how limited the talent pool it was pulling from: https://twitter.com/W_Queerdom/status/1554963059239682050 So what happened? First, Transgraps has never promoted a show before. As said earlier the only thing they were involved in didn't happen. The person primarily behind the account is 23 years old. She's the main event organizer and wasn't equipped. Second, for people outside of New England, Milford NH is basically in the middle of nowhere. It's an hour from Logan airport the biggest airport in New England, an hour from Worcester regional and half an hour from the small Manchester airport. It's hard to get to. It's also not easy to get to from New York by car. So it's hard for talent and fans to get to. So you have an unprepared promoter and a show that is a logistical nightmare to get talent to. It also turns out the promoter didn't have enough money to run the show. The first bad sign was a week ago the person doing the video production pulled out. Despite Sonny Kiss being on the show the biggest draw was probably VENY as VENY has never wrestled in the US and has an incredible reputation. I can't think of anyone who would say VENY sucks. VENY flew in about a week ago and was staying with the promoter for a few days (and was moved to a hotel for the weekend.) Remember what I said about Transgraps posting way too much? I won't post the screenshots here as it's kind of creepy but Transgraps posted about feelings of jealousy because VENY is so pretty, live tweeting VENY eating a lot and sleeping all day, and other stuff a promoter should never post about talent! VENY was clearly annoyed on instagram but dealt with it very professionally. However, Max the Impaler pulled out and went public after Transgraps tried to kayfabe it and say everything was fine. https://twitter.com/_theyaremax_/status/1555241726423535617 Transgraps said they had some maturing to do before they ever promoted again but would work hard to make sure the event was a success. The show happened yesterday and drew 150 people, which is respectable for an indie show. Day of there weren't any horror stories, just complaints about the announcer. https://twitter.com/Thefabulouslif3/status/1556269943758495746 However for a show flying in VENY it's a disaster. Transgraps bragged about drawing 150 in New Hampshire and talked about another show next year. https://twitter.com/SaturnCameron/status/1556357249811058690 Then stories of people being stranded came out. Pro Wrestling Vibe pulled their partnership today: https://twitter.com/PWVibe/status/1556354760143519753 Some more details on the show and financials: https://twitter.com/aiden_v_e/status/1556359717567463424 It looks like more and more will be coming out today.
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In the time it took to write that OP more stuff pops up. This really sucks https://twitter.com/thebigmilkman77/status/1556372439889739777
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poor VENY must be terrified. what a shitshow
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Aug 7, 2022 21:24
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MassRafTer posted:In the time it took to write that OP more stuff pops up. This really sucks Already deleted so hopefully it's not true. Well actually, given the circumstances, it's almost definitely true. Hopefully it's taken care of at least.
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MassRafTer posted:In the time it took to write that OP more stuff pops up. This really sucks This one's already gone, what did it say?
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Aug 7, 2022 21:28
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It said VENY is stuck in America -something about a COVID test
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it was apparently a DM from Sally about the state upcharging VENY's covid test and they're 75 bux short
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https://twitter.com/_theyaremax_/status/1556366201697230850 God forbid wanting to get paid up front
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Imagine being VENY, one of the hottest queer wrestlers in the business right now, flying over for your first US booking on a show you really believe in, only to get stuck crashing on the couch with some weirdo who livetweets you sleeping and can't afford to get you back home, so not only did you not get paid you end up losing money on the whole experience. This is the kind of poo poo that gives indie wrestling a bad name.
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Lumbermouth posted:https://twitter.com/_theyaremax_/status/1556366201697230850 I think there was a lot of this sentiment. No one really wanted to be a dick and say "this event is going to be a disaster" because there was a good vibe about it, and if it went well it would make a lot of marginalized people feel really good. Once the card was announced I kind of thought "none of this makes sense but they've booked a lot of talent, hopefully it's not a disaster." But one thing I kept thinking about was the venue. Transgraps was way too excited about doing this in NH and that it was in a "dome." By dome it was one of those big pressurized youth soccer venues. Which isn't something to be bragging about but it's a nice indie venue. https://twitter.com/MikeyLaFraah89/status/1556062507621572613 But they really seemed to think it was a big deal that it was in a dome. An event like this kind of needed to happen near an airport. It might have worked at the Fete in Providence or maybe White Eagle in Worcester in conjunction with Beyond or WWR. Or maybe a venue in Northern New Jersey. Doing it in NH just made it a logistical nightmare, but it was really important to Transgraps and bragging about that is one of the things that pissed off Max again.
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Benne posted:This is the kind of poo poo that gives indie wrestling a bad name. And all the other poo poo. Wrestling is a total scumbag business from top to bottom.
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is it known whether TransGraps settled on that venue mainly because of its proximity to her?
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Barry Bluejeans posted:is it known whether TransGraps settled on that venue mainly because of its proximity to her? I can't say for sure but I don't think it's that close to her. I think she lives like half an hour away just based on taking VENY to a Sonic and there's none close to Milford. So just a guess but I think she lives in the Portsmouth area. But it definitely seems like it was important that the venue be in NH. There were a lot of posts about how this was big for the NH "scene."
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They likely settled on it the same way they settled on everything else they seem to have done here, which is by applying no critical thought to how their wrestling show would work out.
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MassRafTer posted:I can't say for sure but I don't think it's that close to her. I think she lives like half an hour away just based on taking VENY to a Sonic and there's none close to Milford. History Comes Inside! posted:They likely settled on it the same way they settled on everything else they seem to have done here, which is by applying no critical thought to how their wrestling show would work out. I get the horrible feeling that it's eventually going to come that this whole thing was put together as some sort of desperate plan to somehow wrangle a "date" with VENY.
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From what I've read, Sally was also refusing offers from other experienced promoters who wanted to contribute and make the show better. A then-22 year old who has never promoted before and didn't have the money insisted on doing all of that herself. I don't know if that's an ego thing or what, but WTF.Davros1 posted:I get the horrible feeling that it's eventually going to come that this whole thing was put together as some sort of desperate plan to somehow wrangle a "date" with VENY.
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sticklefifer posted:From what I've read, Sally was also refusing offers from other experienced promoters who wanted to contribute and make the show better. A then-22 year old who has never promoted before and didn't have the money insisted on doing all of that herself. I don't know if that's an ego thing or what, but WTF. This part does come off very much like them wanting to be totally in control of the situation to maximise their ‘clout’ or whatever the gently caress it is the kids are calling it these days.
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sticklefifer posted:
Yes, VENY was put in an absolutely awful position.
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History Comes Inside! posted:This part does come off very much like them wanting to be totally in control of the situation to maximise their ‘clout’ or whatever the gently caress it is the kids are calling it these days.
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That dome is somehow the most shocking part about all of this. Your average fieldhouse is probably just as easy to book and is less than an hour away from an airport and hotels.
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sticklefifer posted:What's weird is that there's an example from only a few months ago of how this situation can work: GCW running the Mania weekend shows with help from every other contributor but still being billed as the organizer. There's a reason it was called "The Collective" and not "GCW and Literally Nobody Else Presents a Bunch of Shows". Yeah but Brett Lauderdale isn’t a 22 year old terminally online twitter personality.
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History Comes Inside! posted:This part does come off very much like them wanting to be totally in control of the situation to maximise their ‘clout’ or whatever the gently caress it is the kids are calling it these days. From one of SquaredCircle's mods: akittycat posted:I don't really want to get to deep into the weeds on this because it has such little to do with me, but I did (on multiple occasions) extend a hand to TransGraps to promote their card here the same way that we allow other Indie Promotions/Wrestlers to do on occasion (Black Label Pro/Viva Van/Robert Anthony/etc) and she just never did outside of a couple posts early on.
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I hope the next wrestling event that celebrates transgender, nonbinary and gender nonconforming performers isn't run by someone who has to put in significant effort into seeming like a cool nice person and still can't help saying stuff like, "I don't care who it is, I want to bite someone's rear end" the same day they host a huge international talent in their home, etc.
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Cavauro posted:I hope the next wrestling event that celebrates transgender, nonbinary and gender nonconforming performers isn't run by someone who has to put in significant effort into seeming like a cool nice person and still can't help saying stuff like, "I don't care who it is, I want to bite someone's rear end" the same day they host a huge international talent in their home, etc. Same, but also someone who will instead put that significant effort into making sure that wrestling for them is both a good experience and not a complete financial disaster.
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Cavauro posted:I hope the next wrestling event that celebrates transgender, nonbinary and gender nonconforming performers isn't run by someone who has to put in significant effort into seeming like a cool nice person and still can't help saying stuff like, "I don't care who it is, I want to bite someone's rear end" the same day they host a huge international talent in their home, etc. The good thing is, this will definitely not be the last time an event that celebrates us is put on and I hope it won't have the stink of this farce on it There's already a good amount of queer graps out there and more on the way - I know Commander Sterling is potentially running their first show soon in the UK and it's probably just a matter of time before they run a celebration similar to this
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MassRafTer posted:I think there was a lot of this sentiment. No one really wanted to be a dick and say "this event is going to be a disaster" because there was a good vibe about it, and if it went well it would make a lot of marginalized people feel really good. As an NH resident, there’s no scene here because of exactly this. Everything is too far away from anything. I asked Bryce Remsburg about Chikara running NH shows and he said it was a massive hassle to get anything done here.
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Cavauro posted:I hope the next wrestling event that celebrates transgender, nonbinary and gender nonconforming performers isn't run by someone who has to put in significant effort into seeming like a cool nice person and still can't help saying stuff like, "I don't care who it is, I want to bite someone's rear end" the same day they host a huge international talent in their home, etc. so, Effy’s Big Gay Brunch?
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Lumbermouth posted:From one of SquaredCircle's mods: If only she'd done some flyering 
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this really couldn't have happened at a worse time. idk, I am very pessimistic about the future of trans people in US wrestling, mainly because the political situation in the US is about to turn extremely transphobic (to say the least) but either way, fascists will use this debacle to justify smearing all trans people in wrestling as degenerates who shouldn't be involved in the business at all, and I am worried there'll be promoters who'll bite that bait before November.
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I’ve been in a few situations where I’ve tried to do something and gotten in over my head and instead of asking for help, just completely shut down. Dunno if that’s the case with TransGraps.
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Dancing Peasant posted:so, Effy’s Big Gay Brunch? sure but w/ the differences that were meant to be realized by this show. i assumed there had been some community desire to support that at least. haven't heard any talk about it; probably due to the house being on fire and so on.
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I used to live literally ten minutes from there and it’s absolutely a tiny town. It’s not insanely remote but you have to go out of your way to get there and once you’re there, there’s not much.
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https://twitter.com/asuka10272140/status/1556399572821352449?t=Fjkh1veNVuYv0NRqgT5sAQ&s=19 Sounds like Asuka wants to put the whole experience behind her.
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