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Shockeh posted:This, but removing the Priest, Aggro Priest, and the Aggro Druid is rare as gently caress. (I've literally played against it twice.) I play against them a decent amount, its bizarre and at this point I just mulligan as if the druids aggro every time Im in shithouse legend though, running between 5k and 8k And now Ive played 3 implocks in a row. PneumonicBook fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Last King posted:still need this done? Yep! Sorry had to log off earlier.
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Pretty bored of this meta. Just played a bit of boar priest to salvage my 11th bonus star so I can wait for the next patch to shake things up. Funny how that deck, which I figured would be countered by Theotar, feels better able to play around him than anything else I've played.
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It feels like almost every game is vs Druid or Warlock and I'm pissing about at dad Legend doing achievements with a sub 20% win rate.
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Aug 30, 2022 10:11
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More nerfs next week: https://twitter.com/AlecoGereco/status/1564412811526098944?t=it3Xw2h7um5DNXIQkHkx9Q&s=19
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victorious posted:More nerfs next week: this is sure to please Zach and the VS report
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If they're hitting neutrals it sounds like they're going after denathrius? Maybe remove the initial 5 damage, or make it infuse 2 instead of 1? Or they could also maybe go after kael, but I haven't found him to be that backbreaking. Going after my boy theotar would be counter intuitive, it feels like it's the only thing you can use to defend yourself against the combo pieces, even if it's mostly used in mirror matches.
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Aug 30, 2022 14:08
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tbh I frankly think the meta is complete dogshit and I hope they delete denathrius and theotar I did get up to level 150 on the reward track this month though 
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I don't think Denathrius is the problem, he's a 10 mana card that needs to sit in your hand for a long time and there are tools to deal with him in Theothar and Mutanus. He should be very powerful. The issues are: 1- Playing him along Brann - While it may seem like Brann is the problem here, the main culprit is Kael enabling the combo. Druid can also do it with Guff but he exists to do that type of thing so in that sense he's fine, making his mana crystals empty would be a good nerf IMO. Relic DH can also do it without Kael but it is extremely unreliable so I think that's fine too. 2- Copying his battlecry (shaman)- The parrot should only copy the base battlecry, not the infused. I imagine they don't want to do this because other cards do get the infuse effect, but I think it is different because the cards essentially change after getting infused while Denathrius remains the same. 3- Druid is a design mess. Not only shouldn't they have access to good board clears but scales is one of the best in the game right now and the mana cost is a non-issue for them. They also have too much "tutoring" which makes them too consistent and boring to play against. Edit: I also think mage is a big problem but not because of Denathrius. Chernabog fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Oenis posted:If they're hitting neutrals it sounds like they're going after denathrius? Maybe remove the initial 5 damage, or make it infuse 2 instead of 1? Or they could also maybe go after kael, but I haven't found him to be that backbreaking. Going after my boy theotar would be counter intuitive, it feels like it's the only thing you can use to defend yourself against the combo pieces, even if it's mostly used in mirror matches. Other than the ubiquitous legendaries (Brann/Kael/Denathrius/Theotar) I think the only other neutral card that sees major play is Insatiable Devourer; maybe they nerf the infused form to eat a random adjacent minion instead of both?
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hope they don't touch theotar. i don't think he's an issue at all
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Aug 30, 2022 15:26
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I think Theotar is a bit too consistent(I think he should be “Discover a card from your hand and trade it with a random card in your opponent’s hand” or something) but yeah
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Denathrius and Theotar are 100% fine as is IMO
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It’s Kael. Maybe Brann too. Denathrius is fine, although he falls into the problem area of being a One Card Neutral Endgame that everyone will be seeing for four more expansion cycles. Theotar is healthy for the format overall - the game needs as much combo-killer and player reactivity as it can get. I hope they finally murder Druid for once.
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I'm just playing Quest Priest and having a great time honestly. Feels like I have at least a fighting chance against most decks I see
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RatHat posted:I think Theotar is a bit too consistent(I think he should be “Discover a card from your hand and trade it with a random card in your opponent’s hand” or something) but yeah
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The current meta would be even worse without Theotar. Honestly, the biggest problem with the neutrals is Brann. Maybe too powerful to be in the core set!
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Chernabog posted:
This. Someone here made an excellent point in the old thread about how ramping for Druid is fine IF there is a risk of being overrun while ramping, but Scale of Onyxia (and now to a certain extent Flipper Friends) reduce that risk. Also, with druid able to tutor Sire Denathrius easily, these rush token-based board clears also provide fuel for a now even harder to avoid inevitable fire. One small change I can think of that might be good for Mage would be to make their location freeze a random minion. Giving them 3 targeted freezes (ignoring the skeleton generated) really goes too far against too many decks IMO.
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Just update Denathrius' effect from Battlecry to "At End of Turn". Removes the Brann effect and parrot shenanigans, while functionally the only difference on the card is if you were trying to clear some taunts for your board to attack.
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Brann should never have come back to the core set and it's not like there's some weird reason why. He limits design space and is too powerful but it seems like Team 5 enjoys the game being a swingy mess more often than not.
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I think it's strange that the player who owns an infuse card doesn't have to infuse it if they get it with Theotar. The infuse mechanic should not stay with the card but with the player who has infused the card.
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so you're saying... buff denathrius?
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I still think Insatiable Devourer is a problem card. It heavily punishes one of the only ways to play around Denathrius (playing big stats to absorb the damage). It also makes Druid’s supposed weakness of lack of hard removal completely irrelevant, since now playing big minions against them results in a devastating tempo swing as they gain a 20/20 minion that clears your biggest stuff
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I guess I read the runestones patch notes wrong. I was under the impression only battlegrounds stuff would be purchasable with runestones but no, now everything in the shop except for regular packs has this mobile game garbage currency attached to it. Not like you could buy a lot of stuff with gold before but this is what I would call "Not a great look". EDIT: Yea so everything that used to have a $ price is now...runestones.
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i think the fact that devourer is barely played outside druid indicates it's not in itself the problem, but rather druid's ramp-on-demand and endless boards of x/1s with rush
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the genius beancounters at blizzard have done it. rather than the typical, more predatory thing of having expensive bundles with more value, they have done the complete opposite in many countries! 10% off if you buy 8k in 500 increments. transaction fee problem uh, solved (well, the UK and Mexico so far, but i'm assuming it's a rounding thing and they hosed it up loads of places) PneumonicBook posted:EDIT: Yea so everything that used to have a $ price is now...runestones. you'll still be able to buy prepurchases, the tavern pass, non bundle packs (and the golden miniset) with cash. otherwise, yeah, runestones. Quotey fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Quotey posted:the genius beancounters at blizzard have done it. rather than the typical, more predatory thing of having expensive bundles with more value, they have done the complete opposite in many countries! 10% off if you buy 8k in 500 increments. transaction fee problem uh, solved (well, the UK and Mexico so far, but i'm assuming it's a rounding thing and they hosed it up loads of places) This can't be real. I refuse to believe this is real. 
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lololol
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I guess they missed the part where people hate that poo poo.
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"You were reconnected to your game. Resuming..."
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Mayveena posted:I guess they missed the part where people hate that poo poo. I'll give them this much: they are, for the moment, following their stated purpose of "this is literally the same cost as before, we just want to sell smaller products, but anything less than $5 gets too much eaten by transaction fees to get approved". There's still no reason to trust them to not be exploitative trash going forward, but I am pleasantly surprised we have any time of it being reasonably straightforward.
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Quotey posted:the genius beancounters at blizzard have done it. rather than the typical, more predatory thing of having expensive bundles with more value, they have done the complete opposite in many countries! 10% off if you buy 8k in 500 increments. transaction fee problem uh, solved (well, the UK and Mexico so far, but i'm assuming it's a rounding thing and they hosed it up loads of places) Yeah I think this is just a mistake with converting from USD because the USD prices don’t have this issue
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peer posted:i think the fact that devourer is barely played outside druid indicates it's not in itself the problem, but rather druid's ramp-on-demand and endless boards of x/1s with rush I disagree about it being barely played, it’s a 2-of in both shaman and big hunter. I don’t think it’s as egregious in those classes since it’s easier to position your board against them compared to druid, but it’s still the most widely ran Nathria neutral card that isn’t a legendary
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i have never seen it in big hunter but i'll take your word for it, sounds cool. in shaman, though, i think macaw is the problem card
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RatHat posted:Yeah I think this is just a mistake with converting from USD because the USD prices don’t have this issue The USD prices actually also had this issue, just not to this degree. The USD prices were just $0.01 off, so 8000 Runestones in 16 small purchases would be $79.84 versus buying directly for $79.99 But 63.84 versus 69.99 is a tad more of a difference
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AnacondaHL posted:The USD prices actually also had this issue, just not to this degree. Yep, that's £6.15 less that I'm not paying them. Just queued for a BG to see what it was like. No lobby popped for over a minute. Literally nobody is playing the game now, thanks to this gacha poo poo.
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The Dribble bartender skin in Battlegrounds has a unique greeting if your hero is Denathrius, that's cute
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Jedit posted:Yep, that's £6.15 less that I'm not paying them. Highly highly doubt that lol. Probably just a mix of people playing on their phones without the update (it doesn't force you to download it yet)
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Mayveena posted:I guess they missed the part where people hate that poo poo. "You could always stop playing, but hey, you've just invested years and hundreds/thousands of dollars into this game already..." 
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PneumonicBook posted:Brann should never have come back to the core set and it's not like there's some weird reason why. He limits design space and is too powerful but it seems like Team 5 enjoys the game being a swingy mess more often than not. Yeah just removing brann would be a pretty good fix and wouldn't cost them anything in dust refunds. They could even cycle in an interesting legendary (zephyrs?) to make up for it.
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