Hand Knit posted:

Oh, that reminds me. A little while back, there was discussion in the feedback thread about the subforum having a bit of a 'bad vibes' problem that people were having difficulty pinning down. How do people feel things have gone since then? Better? Worse?

Hand Knit posted:

I'm interested in this discussion, and maybe I can contribute that, from a moderating perspective, one of the issues is that near-everyone sees their own aggression (or dunking, especially dunking) as righteous. It means that people are constantly asking you that their own posts are exceptions to the rule, often paired with a request to punish their posting enemies.

JOHN CENA posted:

i nominate Fucker for a trial ik

NienNunb posted:

To all else I’m still the bastard from hell.

Hand Knit posted:

One thing that gives me pause is that there's a broad agreement that there needs to be more moderation, but also that the main thing that needs to be moderated is low-level animosity. That's going to require a level of acceptance from posters. Moderating low-level animosity involves a lot of judgement calls for when things are trending in the wrong direction, and taking action on things that feel wrong but can be hard to pin down.

e: speaking further about buy-in, the fact that most everyone these days is at least in the 30s-40s range, around the clock moderation is going to be hard to come by just because the most steady people will likely also have steady hours and commitments. But also, people shouldn't need that level of constant moderation. Everyone is an adult, and should be able to be trusted to act reasonably.

escape artist posted:

So I'm finally back into wrestling after 20+ years thanks to AEW. I do have to say though, Jim Cornette's weekly criticism is part of my enjoyment too.

STAC Goat posted:

I’m reading through the last dozen pages of today and like you can see it pop up again and again. People asking HOW anyone could have criticisms about AEW. People saying that it’s “performative” or “disingenuous”. These appeals to like fans owing AEW something or I don’t know what. “How can you watch a show this good and not be appreciative?”

It’s weird and like… people have subjective opinions. “Good” and “bad” are subjective. The weird need some posters have to make every poster criticizing something not just “wrong” but outright deceptive and with some kind of ulterior motive seems very constant. Like at some point you have to be able to accept that some people just don’t like X or appreciate it in a different way.

And yeah. Maybe someone WILL be carrying a grudge or trolling or something. But if people are asking “how can anyone criticize this show?” then there’s no room for anything else.

Hand Knit posted:

I get the person coming in to the thread with a dodgy opinion. I see that happen in the other sports threads plenty, someone comes in and shares one of those opinions we associate with the bad internet Out There. And they get dunked on and made fun of, all in due course, but I don't see it escalate like in here. I guess this goes back to what I mentioned earlier, about being more patient and tolerant. That doesn't mean you have to treat every bad opinion with hugs and love (though, I mean, we did all come from somewhere ourselves), but rather that someone being dumb and wrong isn't the end of the world. And even if the other person escalates first (and most people will always believe the other person escalates first), that doesn't mean you have to respond in kind.

Gumball Gumption posted:

I feel like the real questions get answered and people are just getting sick of "Why doesn't Tony maintain the momentum?!" and whichever wrestler it is has been on both shows that week. I've become way more jokey in those threads because the serious discussions always end up being about why this episode is why AEW is dying. Usually whatever that problem is resolves itself by next week and we have a new reason.

flatluigi posted:

oh okay this is where the message in the aew thread came from

idk if emf has been trolling or seriousposting but my issue really isn't with them in specific, especially since they're just now starting to post again. there's just a range of people across all the wrestlethreads who think that high praise of wwe/making GBS threads on aew is really funny and it got pretty old for me years ago. the cornette nicknames like 'weepy wangman' are really old, and a few people went over the line w/ their shitposting when the whole thing w/ vince's sexual assault lawsuits and settlements started resurfacing in the news. where are people even getting their wrestling information from where they're talking about tony khan loving dogs as if we're all supposed to know that's a thing people are accusing him of doing to try to score points or w/e

i just want people to post about what they genuinely feel about the shows and think the threads would be more readable if they were that instead of having a half dozen people who try to stir poo poo up when they post. it's not an AEW vs WWE thing -- i don't care if someone likes watching wwe in 2023 and would enjoy reading people seriousposting about doing so (i've tried to give it a shot in groupwatches w/ friends on discord here and there over the last few years and it's just Not Enjoyable + i'd love to hear what people are getting out of the show in 2023, but that just doesn't seem like what people are doing). the gimmickposting or whatever you wanna call it that leads to constant arguments because someone wanted to casually say how nobody in aew's women's division is as good at wrestling as anyone in wwe or w/e is just not enjoyable to read, and putting them on ignore and trying to move on doesn't help b/c someone will just take the bait (or one of the other people who love to start poo poo will just carry it forward). it'd be fine if it was funny, but it's like there's a checklist people have to go down every week and people racing to hit those marks at a run as soon as the show wraps every wednesday

i liked reading the aew weekly threads and the live threads but the negativity and the fighting led me to drop the live threads + every week it takes me longer and longer to bother to read the weekly threads, even though SA is my major source for wrestling news. i'd like nothing more than to clear out my ignore list and enjoy reading the subforum proper again, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen anytime soon if this is where the mods stand on what's allowed and what needs to be pushed back on.

Shard posted:

I'll be honest I still don't understand how that segment was racist. Was it the poo poo he put in his name? Was it insinuating that he didn't know English? I am not trying to be antagonistic so apologies if it comes off like that, I'm honestly trying to understand. Because my gut reaction when I watched that segment was oh man MJF is a jerk and haha he looks like an idiot when Soup was able to speak English to him. And then he beat him up a lot for two weeks.

edogawa rando posted:

As a fellow yellow, solly solly yerrow person offended your grolious waito lace with our dishonourabre plesence. Neksuto taimu we will stand in background bowing head and say "solly solly."

Ganso Bomb posted:

You may have missed the part where I said to report bad posts when they happen, as opposed to coming to the feedback thread and asking to ban a user outright.

Cavauro posted:

JUNGLE BOY posted:

in all seriousness, i met Penguin Patrol at an AEW show in April and they seemed very nice and cool. i dunno what was said in PMs that maybe reframed it to where a permaban was warranted but sorry to see them go.

Mekchu posted:

don't think the guy doing stalkerish things needs to have nice things said about them lol