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I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
i'm a pastry chef managing production of a donut shop and i'm confident you're taking this lightly.

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I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
i'm drinking rn i'll look over this more tomorrow. my store likely sells a more 'high end' product than you're planning to (which took months of development) but our locations are similar enough and there aren't many competing shops to us but it's very difficult and we already have five full time and six part time employees and we're not even operating our full hours yet.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I just bought a Univex srm 40 for $1630 so you can’t tell me poo poo!

-_- bud you're treating my line of work like a big joke and i don't appreciate it. at least spend some time in a successful kitchen or bakery. and do the math on what a wildly successful opening week would look like and then cut it in half, can you survive on that?

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

What do you do yesterday?

i made six hundred croissants, one hundred and fifty chocolate chip cookies, four kilos of pastry cream, mised out ingredients for 70kg of donut dough, drank two coffees, and took two big shits today and you're a fool.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
i will say you might have score on your hands on that second hand equipment, you need more speedracks, a shitload of trays, and if the sheeter isn't working it's probably trash. sheeters are notorious for being impossible to repair without the exact factory parts which stop being produced quite often.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

How long did it take? Is there anything you’d like to charge about your kitchen?

7 hours. i need a second walk in already

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
I have a tummy ache from eating too many cookies. Is this t he future you want?

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
Also that spro machine will 100% be an albatross around your neck. You do not have the intellect or discipline to run a good espresso program

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

For $435 I’ll find out

It’s going to cost a lot more than that

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I plan to use use like, clover or whatever. Bunch of iPads. When the heavy rush is on someone could chilfila the line to catch us up

Square has tablets now, it doesn’t scale well but it’s probably your best option at first

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
I’m in a bad mood bc I got into an argument about cookies today lol

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

beep-beep car is go posted:

okay hold up. He has an espresso machine that needs service? Legit, those are dangerous. Don't gently caress around with high pressure steam please.

No he’s really smart. Op flush your lithium down the toilet, fire up the boiler and start tinkering

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
Specialized donut equipment is maybe the choicest racket I’ve seen in food. The margins on that poo poo has to be insane

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
You should try meth

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

Buddy’s havin a party so I think I’ll try to take a bunch of donuts

gently caress yeah

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Elephanthead posted:

Speak for yourself I have always been old.

Also does anyone younger then 50 buy donuts?

What the fucj is wrong with you

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

Yeah good point I can get the ball rolling so I don’t poison a whole Cub Scout troop

E: for real thank you that’s really something I need schooled on before I design the kitchen

It’s pretty simple but very important yes

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I’m gonna make a bunch of doughnuts and nobody will stop me.

Cool

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I wouldn’t say I -own- your mom

Get his rear end

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:







Made 26 donuts out of $6 of ingredients.

Love my little tailgate rig.

Used lard this time it was great

The one scrap I fried came out looking like a pig.

These don’t look good enough to sell. I like a rustic product in general but that’s unacceptable. Color, shape are both unappetizing. Also have you weighed the product for oil retention? You need to know how much grease you’re selling people.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
They’re so nasty lol

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

Is it doughnuts for yeast and donuts for leavening?

Is sourdough something to pursue?

Yeast-raised is the real craft, isn’t it?

I made my way as a sourdough specialist and I would encourage you to try it. It’s less predictable than commercial yeast and will be a “skill” in your arsenal in 8-12 months if you do a lot of research and take A LOT of notes. The big issue is timing, you need to feed the starter a ways out before you use it so it might require someone to monitor it the afternoon before. The best piece of advice with leavened bread products is that if you’re having a problem, go back as far as you can. If your naturally leavened products are failing, it’s probably your starter. When bread and pastries are correctly made, it barely feels like you’re doing anything to the dough, if it’s a messy frustrating struggle, you haven’t done something correctly. When I’m training I tell people good dough wants to be bread.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I love that bit about how it’s supposed to be easy. Fuckin resonates with my soul.

Does local climate have a huge bearing on the quality of sourdough you can produce? Is there something special about San Francisco that I can’t replicate in the Ohio Valley?

I notice that just about every doughnut shop that posts a prep video seems to use scrap dough in their raised yeast dough mixture is that just to cut waste or is there a sort of sourdough-lite reason to do that?

I’m excited to get this proofer and try to keep up with the yeast. I still haven’t used my big mixer and I’m beginning to thirst. Gonna bite of fifteen pounds of dough and see how much of it I can make into delicious treats.

I might buy a pig to eat all the dough I’m about to ruin

Wrt climate, yes and no lol. In a sourdough culture you’re creating an environment that facilitates the growth of naturally existing yeast and bacteria, which varies greatly geographically, but after you’ve fed a starter with consistenty (time, temperature, amount of water, starter feed, flour) it will be “your” starter. I wouldn’t pursue some “ancestral sourdough culture” because the yeast’s life cycle will elapse over a day, within three none of the original culture remains and only the microbes that thrive in the environment you’ve created will remain.

I assume it’s a waste thing but if done correctly it will absolutely create a superior product unless the dough you’re adding is completely exhausted. Most preferments are made without salt, but it’s kind of an old school technique to just save some dough and use it to help leaven tomorrows dough. Preferments are useful because they not only taste good, but they have also developed a gluten network, meaning you will have to mix less as well.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

tinytort posted:

And non-kosher/non-halal. Which might exclude a larger market than OP thinks.

This is true, meeting common dietary restrictions is a good idea.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

pmchem posted:

“Keep things civil”, I said. “Please post better”, I said. “Stop using” that term, I said.

The above two posters are taking short time outs and I will again state: play nice. This thread will be receiving extra scrutiny.

Power changed you, dog.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

pmchem posted:

I believe BFC is largely self-regulating, but this thread was/is causing headaches. I would prefer to not ever need to post in this thread again!

Sorry you’re getting reports, I think this thread is fun.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

I was planning on back to school season but it might take my broke rear end til Christmas

So you might want to put a pin in it until spring, Jan and feb is a big slump in restaurant sales.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

Wife is filing the papers and she said she’ll name everything after herself if I don’t come up with a cool name in like a week does anyone have any cool names I can use?

One for the property and one for the business.

T he donut hole

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Scientastic posted:

No, you should write the business plan yourself.

The purpose of the business plan is not just to document your plans, it’s also to help you to consider things you haven’t thought of. It is a useful exercise for you to do, not just a cargo cult thing you need to convince people you’re serious.

He should do both

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

CarForumPoster posted:

Lol no, no one needs a fiverr business plan

I think rationale is trying to be entertaining and I’m here for it

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

lobsterminator posted:

Would a troll respond to valid criticism by showing his wrestling belts? I doubt it.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
yikes

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
Incredible thread pacing

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
I made a snake lol

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
I deem it so bc I refuse to browse gws

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Anne Whateley posted:

With no flavor and no glaze or toppings?? congrats you're eating bread

Ban this fucker for not knowing what bread is

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

The doughnuts themselves are so-so I’m just about over self-rising flour.

Wife made custard that came out really nice. I’ve bought worse custard.

These cost like 12.5 cents. I bet raised rings are cheaper.

Including oil? You gotta change oil a lot

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Anne Whateley posted:

Quickbread obviously

You can’t talk, you’re dead.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

Rationale posted:

Really it’ll be like .6 to .75 for a donut and 1 to 1.25 for a latte

Have you gotten anyone to look at t he spro machine yet?

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I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007


Stella parks is the goat of pastry, this pie crust is easy as hell and delicious. If I have a weird pastry question one of the first things I do is search “x Stella parks” to see if she has written about it.

https://www.seriouseats.com/old-fashioned-flaky-pie-dough-recipe


With pie do, your fat can be pretty large when you stop mixing, you want to see some less incorporated flour when you fold it, as long as none of your fat pieces penetrate all the way through the crust, which folding over four times should prevent, it won’t leak

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