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PSVR1 was about the same price as the PSVR 2, more if you take inflation into account, but the key difference is that the price of the original PSVR undercut other VR options at the time by hundreds of dollars, possibly thousands if you take into account the cost of a VR ready PC at the time. The whole appeal was being able to play VR without spending a fortune. This is no longer an issue. PSVR2 on the other hand is launching at $550 when the most notable current HMD was $300 until recently, and even after the price bump is up to $150 less than PSVR2. And it's not a slouch either. Barring the Facebook baggage the Quest 2 is impressive and offers a completely standalone experience or can be used with PC. PSVR 2 sounds like an impressive piece of hardware. My shock at the price is less related to it being a ripoff and more related to Sony having the gall to charge more than the console for a VR headset, which I think is going to make the userbase pretty small especially when iirc 2% of PS4 users actually bought PSVR despite it getting cheaper and cheaper. I don't even think Sony going for the higher end is necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean less people will buy it and the implications it has for big budget first party games seems like a valid concern.
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The PSVR never cost less than the PS4 when it came out. It mostly cost more, because of the wands.
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Who are you even responding to there? What is that a response to?
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Sorry, you keep being "shocked" at the "gall" of the company doing the same thing they did last time and not pricing their poo poo like the company that is in a death spiral.
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Nov 4, 2022 09:57
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Asking nobody in particular, is this worth arguing about? Is this worth doomposting about?
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Sorry, the pricing is loving nuts given what is actually available to play. I bought the Rift and PSVR, then the Quest 1. Even after all this time, other than like Alyx and Resident Evil 7, there doesn’t seem to be any real movement in making true AAA titles for VR. At best maybe you get a full price rerelease of an old game after the fact or have to dick around with mods. The tech keeps improving but without more/better games I can’t keep justifying new headsets. The Quest Pro sounds like it sucks for games because of the refresh rate, so maybe by the time Quest 3 drops we’ll see more games and I’ll finally be compelled to buy a set with a screen worth a poo poo. If Sony actually made the effort to make lots of exclusives that justified the cost of entry, I’d be more inclined, but everything from the PS2 headset to the eye toy to the move to the Vita to the camera to PSVR 1 leads me to think that won’t be the case. That said, I really want VR to work and become rock solid. At this point though, it still just seems more like companies attempting to hype it up to will it into existence without putting out the content that could drive adoption and move things forward.
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Fix posted:Sorry, you keep being "shocked" at the "gall" of the company doing the same thing they did last time and not pricing their poo poo like the company that is in a death spiral. You are one bizarre dude sometimes. You choose the most mundane, inoffensive things to argue about. Like, admittedly I will post things on the forums where I kinda know is going to get a reaction sometimes, but the stuff you choose to beef with me over is always so out of left field I'm usually completely blindsided. It's always the most mundane, non controversial stuff I'm suddenly taken to task over with you and I'm just like wtf.The last time you did this, was you taking huge issue with me suggesting that people like/care about Half Life Alyx and demanding that I prove that anyone cares about it. Which to this day stands out as one of the weirdest things to me. Anyways, I just did a long post explaining in detail why it's not the same thing, so maybe you should reference that instead of making up some non existent post where I claimed the PSVR never cost more than the PS4. I have absolutely no idea why you think it's so offensive that I was surprised at the price point, when if you look just about anywhere else but this specific thread the reaction to the price seems almost universally really bad. My reaction being "I get why it costs a lot, but it concerns me for x reasons" seems so goddamn tame compared to the entire PS5 thread relentlessly making GBS threads on the price, yet here we are. You are allright most of the time, but sometimes you do this poo poo and it's so confusing. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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Nov 4, 2022 17:04
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Two goons. In love.
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Why are you even here? I thought you hated VR? I don't need your running commentary either.
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veni veni veni posted:iirc 2% of PS4 users actually bought PSVR More like 4%. Which might not seem like a big deal, but it is double the figure you cited and more to the point, way over what Sony ever expected to sell.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:More like 4%. Which might not seem like a big deal, but it is double the figure you cited and more to the point, way over what Sony ever expected to sell. Also IIRC the PSVR has an absurdly high software attach rate. Can’t find a source right at the moment, but I remember it being a matter of “a small number of people buy the headset, but the ones that do get a shitload of games”.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:More like 4%. Which might not seem like a big deal, but it is double the figure you cited and more to the point, way over what Sony ever expected to sell. My intent wasn't to downplay the sales of PSVR which were impressive regardless. It sold well enough to make a follow up. it's still a low enough % number that it affected the library though. PSVR had some great exclusives but they were few and far between which I don't think would have been the case if had panned out to be less niche.
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veni veni veni posted:Why are you even here? I thought you hated VR? I don't need your running commentary either. That's toxic, brah. Gonna post where I want 
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I went to a couple Vr experiences today as part of a film festival. I'm excited to have a nice one of my own.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNgnqZGrto Here's a Eurogamer video of a bunch of stuff that's supposed to be ported over. There's a few in there that look pretty all right. Nice to see sequels to Ultrawings and To The Top.
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Man, you guys are hitching your wagon to a dead system. Me? I've gonna be on that Sword Art Online tech: https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7kbq/palmer-luckey-made-a-vr-headset-that-kills-the-user-if-they-die-in-the-game quote:"The good news is that we are halfway to making a true NerveGear. The bad news is that so far, I have only figured out the half that kills you,” Luckey said
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Morpheus posted:Man, you guys are hitching your wagon to a dead system. Me? I've gonna be on that Sword Art Online tech: I don't think this is what was meant by VR needing a killer app to succeed.
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veni veni veni posted:Tbh despite all of the cool features the price was still shocking to me. I didn't expect more than $400. Honestly, with the sort of tech they're putting into this new headset, I don't really picture anyone saying that they expected Sony to subsidise the price of the hardware quite so much, like Facebook did with the Quest to get people onto the platform (and make up the losses in valuable personal data, of course). Honestly, with how people were comparing it to other VR sets, and the state of everything right now, I was personally expecting it to be like £700, maybe more, in line with some of the Vive sets. I was expecting it to be gently caress-off-and-gently caress-you money to someone like me who works a minimum wage job, and I was expecting to write off the idea altogether. I was actually surprised that it wasn't as overexpensive as I thought it would be. It's still, still, a lot of money. Sure. But maybe I can see how it plays out, and save some extra money, and justify getting myself something expensive and cool a year or more down the line. Or maybe I don't. Like I only got PSVR back then because it was on sale for £250 bundled with Skyrim, and I only had that much available because I was saving to get myself a new guitar as it got closer to Christmas. Had that setup been £400, I would have probably said no, thanks, and then missed out on some extremely cool games. Also I don't think comparing it to PSVR's price is really fair, as that was even at launch not really a contender in terms of VR. Everything else had more power and better technology than what was basicallly an EyeToy on steroids. It was clearly an entry level effort, a decent introduction to VR but not too much more than that. Just trying to play Skyrim and looking at the quality of those graphics told you this was not a powerful system. But it showed off what VR was and how immersive it could be while objectively looking very rough. Like even with games like Surgeon Simulator, which is extremely not realistic, there were a couple times where in taking a break I tried to put one of the Move controllers down on a video game surface that didn't exist.
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It not that I think it's explicitly overpriced as much as I wonder what the future of a $550 playstation exclusive HMD looks.
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I posted a lot of  about it already but at the end of the day I'm just worried that not enough people will buy it at that price and therefore the game library might end up being sort of dire.
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If this thing gets made PC compatible I might get one and try to sell my index (not necessarily in that order). I also have this hanging-by-a-thread hope that because developers will have another high end VR platform to develop for that we'll see some more of these games port to PC. It's really dry out here for an index owner.
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caldrax posted:If this thing gets made PC compatible I might get one and try to sell my index (not necessarily in that order). I also have this hanging-by-a-thread hope that because developers will have another high end VR platform to develop for that we'll see some more of these games port to PC. It's really dry out here for an index owner. Stick with the Index IMO. You'll save money in the long-term with upgrades because you potentially just need to buy a new HMD rather than a full set up, and you get better tracking out of it. Plus the option for full-body tracking as well. And anything that comes out on PSVR2 will almost certainly hit Steam as well given Sony's new-found inclination to PC releases.
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veni veni veni posted:It not that I think it's explicitly overpriced as much as I wonder what the future of a $550 playstation exclusive HMD looks. I strongly believe that it either gets official PC support (in my dreams) or gets cracked relatively fast so you can use it on PC (very likely imho). Given that it doesn't rely on any external devices, clever reverse engineers can probably code software to use it on PC with almost full capabilities.
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Yeah I’m assuming it will be useable on PC, but I’m really hoping it’s just plug and play vs having to wait for someone to crack it. Because I’d like to just sell my rift S and have one hmd for everything which would up the value proposition a lot for me.
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I don't expect support direct from Sony on launch day but I do expect the eventual PC crack to be released in the form of "install this one thing, then whenever you plug it in it works" so you're just talking about waiting a few months at worst
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Yeah that's what I think is going to happen. Some sort of specialised software like those programs that enabled dualahock use before it was officially a thing.
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Am I correct in assuming the invitations for the pre-order have already gone out? If they have, I'm going to be really bitter. I got my PS5 at launch, have bought another one (for a friend) by invite, have a PSVR, have had PS+ for god knows how long and I haven't got one yet.
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I didn't get one either, I am pretty sure it's staggered like they do/did with PS5s, so don't worry about it.
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I don’t think they open preorders until Tuesday. Haven’t gotten an email either but I have no idea when they’re bothering to send them.
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I’ll do it once it pops up on Amazon. Maybe I’ll be kicking myself for this later but I don’t think it’ll be a PS5 situation all over again. Also I can wait if I have to.
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Video covering at least 10 PSVR1 games being updated for PSVR2, first 6 are free upgrades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PuWQaXUpOM&t=219s
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I just got my PSVR2 pre-order email from Sony. It came from email@email.playstation.com so search your spam folders.
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....and days after I bitched about not getting an invitation I also got my invitation.
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Haven't received mine. Am in Canada, so I dunno. Perhaps Sony senses my hesitation on purchasing one, they only give the golden ticket to those who truly believe. Or it's just going out later. Either one really.
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Morpheus posted:Haven't received mine. Am in Canada, so I dunno. The first pre-orders are only in the U.S., France, the U.K., Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg.
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Me, the gf and my colleague all got it and it is the exact same time window from 11 CET.
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I got my pre order email. Wonder if they’re going to have enough for everyone who wants in on the first wave. I don’t even know why I want this but I do.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:The first pre-orders are only in the U.S., France, the U.K., Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg. Canucked by sony again
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Morpheus posted:Canucked by sony again loving Luxembourg.
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bloodysabbath posted:The tech keeps improving but without more/better games I can’t keep justifying new headsets. The Quest Pro sounds like it sucks for games because of the refresh rate, so maybe by the time Quest 3 drops we’ll see more games and I’ll finally be compelled to buy a set with a screen worth a poo poo. drat we got people in the Quest thread counting on PSVR2 to bring games while the PSVR2 thread is doing the opposite.
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