FFXIV New Players Thread: The Declassified Tankxiety Survival Guide

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FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

iPodschun posted:

Another habit to pick up is reading attack names, and having the separate castbar can help with that. If a boss has an attack called Leftward Thrust then you should get away from the boss' left side.

This is really important in things like raids, the names of casts often give a clue or outright tell you what it'll do.

You can also pick up on and learn how the game uses elemental things; it's generally pretty consistent. Attack has a lightning name? Don't stand in water puddles if there are any. Attack has a fire name? Do stand in the water puddle. Ice name? Keep moving or you may get frozen solid.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 18:49

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# ? May 13, 2024 08:18

Selachian: Oct 9, 2012

Kongming posted:

I definitely have memories of people complaining sometimes when the "A player is new to this duty" message appeared with the tomestone bonus. People called it the "noob bonus" or something. This was also a long time ago, maybe even pre-Heavensward, so I don't know if anyone like that still plays this game.

Last night in a run of The Tower at Paradigm's Breach, there were a couple of vocal sorts bitching about how long it was taking because some new folks were struggling with the mechanics, and they rushed ahead to start the final boss without waiting for the cutscene watchers. But fortunately people like that are pretty rare.

Anyway, on tank topics, watching the cast bar can also be useful since it'll show you which enemy casts can be stopped by stun or interrupt abilities (flashing cast bar = can be interrupted). While it doesn't often make a major difference, knowing when and how to use stuns can be very handy on some bosses, e.g. Hermes in Ktisis Hyperboreia.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 19:01

YggiDee: Sep 12, 2007; WASP CREW

I swear Paradigm's Breach specifically seems to mald people, I once saw a party wipe because everyone was too busy angrily typing about who pulled? we have 3 in CS! cutscene takes too long they can watch it in the inn, you have lost more time hollering than you gained from the early pull etc

# ? Mar 28, 2024 19:33

Nitrousoxide: May 30, 2011; do not buy a oneplus phone

Man, I always wait for people in cutscenes.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 19:46

Hellioning: Jun 27, 2008

Pulling while people are in cutscenes should be a bannable offense.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 19:56

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Kongming posted:

I definitely have memories of people complaining sometimes when the "A player is new to this duty" message appeared with the tomestone bonus. People called it the "noob bonus" or something. This was also a long time ago, maybe even pre-Heavensward, so I don't know if anyone like that still plays this game.

Nowadays you only see people getting genuinely mad when that pops up when you're doing hard content reclears. Since that means that someone in your party has lied about having cleared it before.

Most of the time, the reaction feels more like this. (Heavensward spoiler warning)

GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 29, 2024

# ? Mar 28, 2024 22:05

Antivehicular: Dec 30, 2011; I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Selachian posted:

Last night in a run of The Tower at Paradigm's Breach, there were a couple of vocal sorts bitching about how long it was taking because some new folks were struggling with the mechanics, and they rushed ahead to start the final boss without waiting for the cutscene watchers. But fortunately people like that are pretty rare.

It's rude and counterproductive to complain about first-timers struggling with mechs regardless, but seriously, doing it in the Nier raids? The raids with some of the most opaque attack telegraphs in the game if you're going in blind? I'd be wildly praising newbies for being alive for more than 10% of a lot of those bosses on their first runs.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 22:17

Ojjeorago: Sep 21, 2008; I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...; Gary’s Answer

YggiDee posted:

I swear Paradigm's Breach specifically seems to mald people, I once saw a party wipe because everyone was too busy angrily typing about who pulled? we have 3 in CS! cutscene takes too long they can watch it in the inn, you have lost more time hollering than you gained from the early pull etc

Between drama and the stat squish making everything take too long, noping out of Paradigm's Breach roulettes is usually a time save.

Ojjeorago fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Mar 28, 2024

# ? Mar 28, 2024 22:30

susan b buffering: Nov 14, 2016

Hellioning posted:

Pulling while people are in cutscenes should be a bannable offense.

One time our party's tank early pulled during a Nier cutscene and all the healers in the raid decided not to res or heal them :allears:

# ? Mar 28, 2024 23:28

Kwyndig: Sep 23, 2006; Heeeeeey

Hellioning posted:

Pulling while people are in cutscenes should be a bannable offense.

It's an actionable offense if you bother to report it, don't know what the punishments are, probably a warning then kitty jail.

# ? Mar 28, 2024 23:38

IthilionTheBrave: Sep 5, 2013

susan b buffering posted:

One time our party's tank early pulled during a Nier cutscene and all the healers in the raid decided not to res or heal them

They basically got a free ride, then. Should've ressed but never healed so they'd accrue repair fees from dying so much (or at least until they catch on and stop accepting the res).

# ? Mar 28, 2024 23:57

reversefungi: Nov 27, 2003; Master of the high hat!

Kwyndig posted:

It's an actionable offense if you bother to report it, don't know what the punishments are, probably a warning then kitty jail.

Had one dude in LotA yesterday who was complaining about waiting for people watching cutscenes and the entire raid dumped on them :sickos:

If you're a sprout reading this thread and feeling self-conscious about watching cutscenes and taking time, don't be. I remember speeding through the pre-boss CS for Thousand Maws of Toto Rak back when I first started cause I thought people would be upset for me taking so long, but essentially everyone is cool about it. We've all been there before.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 00:18

Runa: Feb 13, 2011

Kongming posted:

I definitely have memories of people complaining sometimes when the "A player is new to this duty" message appeared with the tomestone bonus. People called it the "noob bonus" or something. This was also a long time ago, maybe even pre-Heavensward, so I don't know if anyone like that still plays this game.

I haven't seen anybody complain about newbie bonuses in forever, these days you get so many benefits for having a newbie in the party that you'd have to be insanely WoW-pilled to even think it's going to be an issue outside of... Yeah Paradigm Tower but that specific raid brings the worst out of everyone. When you were hoping for a 20-min free rou and you get a 40-60 slugfest, oof.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 00:32

Xerophyte: Mar 17, 2008; This space intentionally left blank

Kwyndig posted:

It's an actionable offense if you bother to report it, don't know what the punishments are, probably a warning then kitty jail.

I don't love people pulling while raid members are in cutscenes but, no, it's absolutely not an actionable offense or something you should report. It is something the developers deliberately allow even though they easily could lock out the arena, and you're absolutely allowed to pull things when the game lets you. Early pulls will happen both by intent and by accident but they're not griefing as far as customer service are concerned unless someone is actively trying to wipe the raid, which they very rarely are. Try not to worry too much about them when they happen.

If anyone here is ever in a cutscene and gets the "arena will close in 15 seconds" message: you will not be locked out of the fight if you wait longer. Just finish watching your cutscene, then accept the teleport into the arena when you feel ready. Worst case scenario you miss 30 seconds of early boss mechanics and maybe a cool boss intro, which is unfortunate but not worth losing sleep over.

Xerophyte fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Mar 29, 2024

# ? Mar 29, 2024 00:32

Maximum Tomfoolery: Apr 12, 2010

GilliamYaeger posted:

Might wanna put a spoiler warning for HW in there. Doesn't reveal much but new player thread and all.

Maximum Tomfoolery fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Mar 29, 2024

# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:05

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Maximum Tomfoolery posted:

Might wanna put a spoiler warning for HW in there. Doesn't reveal much but new player thread and all.

Thank you for the warning.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:24

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

reversefungi posted:

Had one dude in LotA yesterday who was complaining about waiting for people watching cutscenes and the entire raid dumped on them

Those moments are great. There's one trial that has a surprise second phase that isn't hard if you do the mechanics (a bit of a strain on the tanks and healers) but everyone's gotten used to just using a limit break and skipping it. Of course nobody tells the newbies that so I used the LB before then and one guy yelled at me for it. Both tanks spent the whole second phase making fun of him while still doing their mechanics perfectly.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:31

Trash Ops: Jun 19, 2012; im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Hellioning posted:

Pulling while people are in cutscenes should be a bannable offense.

absolutely deranged take, it is completely irrelevant if you miss the first 20 seconds of a boss fight

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:40

Alxprit: Feb 7, 2015; <click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

Counterpoint, common courtesy is cool.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:49

Antivehicular: Dec 30, 2011; I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Yeah, it shouldn't be bannable but it's pretty rude to do deliberately.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:50

Oneiros: Jan 12, 2007

the venn diagram of people who don't wait for cutscene-ers and people who don't return their shopping carts is a circle

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:50

Trash Ops: Jun 19, 2012; im having fun, isnt everyone else?

yeah, and it is enforced socially because at worst it is an annoyance

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:25

GloomMouse: Mar 6, 2007

If common courtesy isn't enough then do something healthy for yourself. Focus your eyes on something 20ft away, take a sip of water, and/or a quick wrist stretch exercise for those 20 seconds.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:18

lines: Aug 18, 2013; She, laughing in mockery, changed herself into a wren and flew away.

Antivehicular posted:

Yeah, it shouldn't be bannable but it's pretty rude to do deliberately.

This is how I feel. I have occasionally accidentally pulled as a tank when I didn't realise someone was watching a cutscene - generally I try to slow my roll and not kill the boss fast when this happens, and I don't like doing it. It's rude to do deliberately.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:34

gay devil: Aug 20, 2009

Trash Ops posted:

absolutely deranged take, it is completely irrelevant if you miss the first 20 seconds of a boss fight

Ruins the vibe

# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:42

a cartoon duck: Sep 5, 2011

GilliamYaeger posted:

Nowadays you only see people getting genuinely mad when that pops up when you're doing hard content reclears. Since that means that someone in your party has lied about having cleared it before.

more realistically, it means the party leader either forgot to turn on the "duty complete" tag, or it's a secret clear-for-one where the party leader just so happens to be the one

though, in my experience playing during off-hours or late into a raid tier every so often you get someone asking to join a reclear party claiming they're at enrage but can't find a party that can make it across the finish line. generally people are fine with that and i've yet to encounter who blatantly lied about being clear-ready when asking to join a reclear party

# ? Mar 29, 2024 09:35

God Hole: Mar 2, 2016

I love when I'm main tanking the whole raid and then another tank insta-pulls the last boss while the sprouts are still in cutscenes, I inevitably re-take enmity just doing my rotation because the other tank clearly didn't actually want to tank the boss, then the whole raid assumes I pulled and yells at me. happens all the loving time lol

# ? Mar 29, 2024 09:40

Attack on Princess: Dec 15, 2008; _{To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!}

I've arrived in Heavensward, and can't get over how they made the most vertical zones possible AND removed the ability to fly.

I'm guessing this happened cause flying wasn't in classic ARR, but still... Really adds insult to injury.

Is there anything I can do to regain flight fast, or is it locked to the main quest?

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:48

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Attack on Princess posted:

I've arrived in Heavensward, and can't get over how they made the most vertical zones possible AND removed the ability to fly.

I'm guessing this happened cause flying wasn't in classic ARR, but still... Really adds insult to injury.

Is there anything I can do to regain flight fast, or is it locked to the main quest?

Originally, flying wasn't in ARR at all. It was introduced in HW and you get it via attunement to aethercurrents. There are a number scattered around the map that you have to physically touch and there are 5 or so locked behind quests including the MSQ. Typically the last MSQ in the zone will give you the final aethercurrent for flying.

This pattern continues in every expansion.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:59

Roluth: Apr 22, 2014

It's a combination of MSQ, spamming your compass to find the current in the field, and doing the blue quests in the zone. You won't get the last current until the MSQ is done with a zone though.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 17:00

Xerophyte: Mar 17, 2008; This space intentionally left blank

Attack on Princess posted:

Is there anything I can do to regain flight fast, or is it locked to the main quest?

Flying in a zone is generally locked by its main quest, a few blue side quests, and some exploration for aether currents. There's no real way to speed it up. Do the blue quests and your aether compass as you go along, don't worry too much until you're done with the main quest line for the zone.

Heavensward was when they first added flying and you can tell by how they went a little too far on the zone design; lots of empty space, cliffs and islands. Later expansions are much better about it. ARR flying was added much later, which is why it's the only place it unlocks automatically.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 17:00

orcane: Jun 13, 2012; Fun Shoe

Attack on Princess posted:

I've arrived in Heavensward, and can't get over how they made the most vertical zones possible AND removed the ability to fly.

I'm guessing this happened cause flying wasn't in classic ARR, but still... Really adds insult to injury.

Is there anything I can do to regain flight fast, or is it locked to the main quest?

Flying was a big new feature in HW and they made the maps to show it off, except it gets tedious quickly because the zones are awful if you can't fly (yet) and there's usually one or two aetherytes tucked in corners, and quest objectives in the opposite corners of the map.

But yeah you will unlock flying in all expansions the same way from now, by getting "aether currents", the game will teach you the basics in the HW MSQ. In your Duty > Collections menu there will be an aether compass, and there is a number of currents on the map which you have to go to and click (the compass gives you directions), and some others will unlock through quests (MSQ, some sidequests - the latter have the blue Q+ markers for "unlocks something"). Your progress will be in the Travel > Aether Currents menu.

Many zones won't let you fly until the MSQ is mostly done with them, every expansion has some split zones that make you do all your quest business on foot until you return 5+ levels later in the MSQ and unlock an additional approach that will allow you to get the final aether currents.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 17:01

Attack on Princess: Dec 15, 2008; _{To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!}

Alright, good to hear the over-commitment to vertical design is a HW thing at least.

I kinda like the Anarchy Online Shadowlands vibes from Sea of Clouds though. So I'm not hating too much on it.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 17:07

parasyte: Aug 13, 2003; Nobody wants to die except the suicides. They're no fun.

other expansions do verticality but generally much better and less annoying. stormblood still has a bit of lovely-aether-crystal-location-itis but nothing is as bad as every heavensward zone is

# ? Mar 31, 2024 18:45