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i watched a lot of quantum leap as a kid, the lee harvey oswald episodes were some of my favourites along with the great balls of fire one and the first time sam leaps back into himself. i know its a meme now but jimmy is actually a very good episode that outside that one bit is pretty well handled especially for the time iirc.
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Loving that Desire got cast in this. Good for them.
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Sep 28, 2022 00:19
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I figured out why Ben isn't able to come home. Sam is stealing his leaps. Don't steal a leap.
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Sep 28, 2022 02:50
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Echoing that the boogieman is the best episode of OG Leap and should be viewed unspoiled.
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Sep 28, 2022 02:58
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When I heard they were making a new series, I went through the original one earlier this year. I had watched most of it as a kid when it first came out and it holds up surprisingly well. The new episodes aren't too bad, I'll give them the season to see how I feel. I definitely agree that I would rather have them focus on the leaps than the modern day stuff.
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Sep 28, 2022 10:59
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Also NBC play for period music damnit.
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Sep 28, 2022 12:29
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I've been meaning to type up a big effort-post about the things I like about the remake and the things I don't, but I haven't gotten around to it. So I'll just put a nerdy list of phrases that haven't been said or things that have been missing that make me sad:
There's probably more but that's all I can remember now. Generally everything in the future (present?) sucks and everything in the leaps has been ok - there's potential here but I think that just comes from the general concept of the show being strong. It's only been 2 episodes but I really hope they move towards smaller, more personal stories, rather than "keep the Hope Diamond from being stolen" or "make sure the space shuttle doesn't explode." The most damning thing I could say is that most of the time it feels like the writers just watched like 4 episodes of Quantum Leap and then were like "ok we get it", which is super disappointing. But....it's early! I remain hopeful!
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Sep 29, 2022 03:32
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Actors are generally good, some of the production values are "meh" and the writing is OK. Like, "I speak several languages that I will not list here because we'll need them in future episodes we haven't written, but one happens to be romanian" "Who could have guessed that shady gangster person has offshore accounts?" "Lets tie this actor to an extremely common wire shelving rack that literally anyone could lift and that everyone knows comes apart into pieces with no effort." I like the concept of it bein a holodeck episode of star trek every week, but it's just OK for me right now.
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Sep 29, 2022 22:44
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Jaxyon posted:Actors are generally good, some of the production values are "meh" and the writing is OK. The show feels almost overproduced you know? Overcomplicated maybe?
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Sep 30, 2022 03:27
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OldSenileGuy posted:list Rushed back to this thread when I realized I forgot possibly the biggest annoying omission:
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Oct 1, 2022 20:31
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I have to imagine the Waiting Room still exists offscreen somewhere that they aren't going to mention, right? Canonically Magic spent time there when Sam was in his body however many years ago. Also that HAS to play in to the mystery at some point, right? It seems weird to just be an Easter Egg.
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Oct 3, 2022 07:12
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Charity Porno posted:I have to imagine the Waiting Room still exists offscreen somewhere that they aren't going to mention, right? Canonically Magic spent time there when Sam was in his body however many years ago. Maybe they'll use it to forward the plot at the project with Ben leaping into someone from the original project? Just writing that out seems too fanfic-y.
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Oct 3, 2022 13:50
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Charity Porno posted:I have to imagine the Waiting Room still exists offscreen somewhere that they aren't going to mention, right? Canonically Magic spent time there when Sam was in his body however many years ago. It's the type of unspoken plot point that'll come out of nowhere in mid-season once they have their half season series "what's been working, what's not working and things to add" that happens with shows like this. They'll look at the ratings, and suddenly they'll kill off a cast member and add new wrinkles to the show to try to liven it up. I could see them writing one of the home base characters out in some way, and as a side effect, freeing up additional "home" time for the waiting room. Frankly I think it'd be nice to see both Ian and Addison split hologram time, while the other does waiting room duty. Making Ernie Hudson interact with the waiting room people would also give him a chance to empathize with/interrogate whoever pops in. Seeing as how he was once in that same position and now runs the place. As for the most recent episode, I do have to give the show props for bringing Susan Diol, the Beth actress, back. At least a small way to tie the shows together. Teek fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Oct 3, 2022 15:36
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Teek posted:As for the most recent episode, I do have to give the show props for bringing Susan Diol, the Beth actress, back. At least a small way to tie the shows together. Yep, that made me feel pretty good about the show. I really hope they can work something out with Bakula, no matter how minor, because I'd love to see Sam again. Like, don't even answer questions, just show us him doing a leap, and being Dr. Sam Beckett again.
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Oct 3, 2022 16:56
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Yep, that made me feel pretty good about the show. I really hope they can work something out with Bakula, no matter how minor, because I'd love to see Sam again. Like, don't even answer questions, just show us him doing a leap, and being Dr. Sam Beckett again. It would depend on why he declined. Did he not like what they had planned for him? Money? Scheduling conflict?
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Oct 3, 2022 17:22
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Jose Oquendo posted:It would depend on why he declined. I would like them to find their footing first and also, focus on Ben more. I said upthread, I don't mind the supporting cast, hell QL worked really well when you realize Al and Sam had tons of supports. But they did that after they established the dynamic.
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Oct 3, 2022 17:45
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Jose Oquendo posted:It would depend on why he declined. I'm guessing he didn't like what he saw in the script. Remember, what was originally shot as the pilot has been retooled and will now air as the sixth episode.
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Oct 3, 2022 18:08
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Timby posted:I'm guessing he didn't like what he saw in the script. Remember, what was originally shot as the pilot has been retooled and will now air as the sixth episode. Wait, really? Where did you read that? I remember reading that the network originally wanted to air episode 03 as the first episode, but based on the amount of pilot-y stuff in the first episode we got, I assumed that that plan had been scrapped. Was looking forward to episode 03 tonight to see what the network thought would work as a premiere episode.
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Oct 3, 2022 18:32
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I also thought tonight's was going to be the original pilot, I don't think Ben did an "oh poo poo" when he leaps at the end of the last episode.
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Oct 3, 2022 19:27
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I miss Sam's narrations.
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Oct 4, 2022 01:33
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OldSenileGuy posted:Wait, really? Where did you read that? I remember reading the original pilot being shifted to episode 3, but that apparently changed again quote:So, to clarify the timeline, we shot a pilot in March, and that pilot was finished in April and submitted for approval from the network. For a bunch of reasons, that pilot wasn’t right. And so, we had a big conversation. People give network TV a lot of poo poo, but one of the things that it does really right is make pilots. Pilots are very expensive, but they really do teach you an enormous amount about the show. So, after watching the original pilot, which will be a fantastic episode six, it just didn’t feel buzzy enough to be the first episode of the show.
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Oct 4, 2022 01:58
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This episode is good so far! Feels like what Quantum Leap should be about.
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Oct 4, 2022 03:19
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They’re finally doing some fun stuff with the premise and giving us characters in the leap to care about. The shots and lighting seem less over-polished as well. I agree that this is the first one that feels like Quantum Leap. It helps having period-relevant details and production design as well.
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Oct 4, 2022 03:25
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Agreed. Definitely the best episode so far and almost feels like an OG episode. I guess Al’s kid is building their own imaging chamber?
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Oct 4, 2022 04:27
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Or the evil leaper project. But probably an imagining chamber so she can pop in near the end of this batch of episodes and tell Ben what he’s leaping towards and also do something to wreck Ben’s trust in Addison. Does Ben ever get a chance to sleep? It looks like his leaps don’t go directly one to the next from the pov of the home team, who get to have fun nights watching other fine nbc programming, but he hasn’t spent more than maybe 12 hours in any situation so far. Is the act of leaping like getting a full night’s sleep?
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Oct 4, 2022 04:51
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Would lol if this does tie into the evil leaper project in some way. I have to think Janice is just carrying on Al’s wish to find and bring back Sam, and Ben bought in. That or Ben is wanting to sling shot back to Jesus. It taking 10 leaps (if not given an additional episode order) or closer to twenty (for the full season pickup) will hopefully get us an answer if they know which episode might be their last if not renewed. Still not sure how I feel about the lifetime limit breaker. But as long as they’re using it to tell worthwhile stories, with some real to life honest lessons about historically lovely behavior, then I’m good with it. Otherwise I guess we would be stuck with 1985+ leaps. One minor thing, is that it does appear the show will be LA shot. I thought I read early on it was going to shoot out of Vancouver, but maybe that ended up just being the first pilot. The original was out of LA too, so it’s a nice bit of “continuity”. One interesting wrinkle of this episode, was that Ben is actually inhabiting the body of the original person, which I guess also helps explain why there’s no one in the waiting room. I thought for a minute they would play up that difference if the weigh in weight was notably off. I’m not sure Sam’s weight was ever a point of note, probably so? I know his physical body actually being in the past was used multiple times to fun effect. Teek fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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Oct 4, 2022 05:20
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That was one of my biggest nerdy problems with this episode, because it's a clear difference from the way it was handled in the original show. In the original show, Sam wasn't leaping into their bodies. it was his soul or essence or some poo poo, but he still had his Sam Beckett body and brain. Hence why he could still see when he leaped into a blind man, or stand up when he leaped into an amputee, or still kick some guy's rear end even when he leaped into a tiny beauty pageant contestant. Then this episode they basically go and clarify that no, it's actually the opposite of that. It really feels like there were two factions behind the scenes, one that wanted this to be a continuation of the old show, and one that wanted it to be a reboot that takes the basic idea but gives it new rules. And in the end, they did some weird hybrid of both.
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Oct 4, 2022 06:05
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OldSenileGuy posted:That was one of my biggest nerdy problems with this episode, because it's a clear difference from the way it was handled in the original show. There were at least a few episodes of the original where they said he was in the leapee's body. I think it kind of depended on the story they wanted to tell.
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Oct 4, 2022 10:26
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He couldn’t have been human-size in the episode where he was a chimpanzee astronaut, for example. Or maybe he was—it was awful and I don’t remember what happened.
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Oct 4, 2022 12:17
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I AM GRANDO posted:He couldn’t have been human-size in the episode where he was a chimpanzee astronaut, for example. Or maybe he was—it was awful and I don’t remember what happened. In these instances its important to remember that Donald Bellasario's take on internal consistency was: If it's a cool story, we're going to tell it. My current theories is that: 1) Ben is trying to meet a grandparent or an ancestor that Sam saved. 2) Al's daughter is trying to prevent Sam and Al from meeting.
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Oct 4, 2022 12:31
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I think they're writing it in a way that doesn't invalidate the mechanics of the old series. They explicitly called out that the new code added to Ziggy lets him leap outside of his own lifetime, and the lack of a Waiting Room could also have been an intentional "problem" they fixed considering it caused more than 1 issue in the original series. It could have been a priority of the team to eliminate the exchange of bodies while leaping. They didn't come right out and say it, but Janice has a handlink, a connection with Ziggy, and the structure she is building could be an Imaging Chamber. She has all the pieces needed to start appearing as a competing hologram for Ben's attention and to carry out their planned missions that he forgot.
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Oct 4, 2022 23:13
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Charity Porno posted:I think they're writing it in a way that doesn't invalidate the mechanics of the old series. They explicitly called out that the new code added to Ziggy lets him leap outside of his own lifetime, and the lack of a Waiting Room could also have been an intentional "problem" they fixed considering it caused more than 1 issue in the original series. It could have been a priority of the team to eliminate the exchange of bodies while leaping. Again, a sucker for technobabble, I think that's a good enough explanation for rewriting the rules of leaping. Rather than the life span limit and body swap mechanics be the nature of how leaping works, have them be artificial limitations imposed by the programmers or the limitations of their technology. Charity Porno posted:They didn't come right out and say it, but Janice has a handlink, a connection with Ziggy, and the structure she is building could be an Imaging Chamber. She has all the pieces needed to start appearing as a competing hologram for Ben's attention and to carry out their planned missions that he forgot. I can see how this will play out. "Addison, why didn't you tell me we were engaged? How can I trust you?" But what in the world could possibly be so important that Janice would drug her own mother to get her father's equipment? I'm worried that the writers could bungle that reveal.
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Mooseontheloose posted:In these instances its important to remember that Donald Bellasario's take on internal consistency was: If it's a cool story, we're going to tell it. Yeah I'm guessing it's 2, and the climax will have her realizing that if she stops the program then Al and Beth won't reconnect and she's never born, paradox baby.
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Oct 5, 2022 00:06
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I'm kind of hoping the point in time they are shooting for is the "bar" in "Mirror Image." It could be that they crunched the numbers and the only way to get there was to leave exactly when Ben did. I think they are way overplaying Janice as a villain and it's going to turn out she and Ben had great intentions to save Sam and Janice is just desperate to make it happen.
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Oct 5, 2022 01:28
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I loved the original, my absolute favorite show back when it aired. Is there a way to watch it with the original music? Because that was bullshit. I have the DVDs on a shelf and I can't bring myself to bother.
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Oct 5, 2022 01:45
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:I loved the original, my absolute favorite show back when it aired. Like pretty much anything from the pre-2000s when they started explicitly licensing music for streaming, the only real way is loading up the DVDs or piracy.
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Oct 5, 2022 11:57
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Medullah posted:Like pretty much anything from the pre-2000s when they started explicitly licensing music for streaming, the only real way is loading up the DVDs or piracy. The DVDs don't have the original music, either. And the music is so key to the show 
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Oct 5, 2022 12:15
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:The DVDs don't have the original music, either. Huh I didn't know. I've been rewatching it on Peacock but it's been so long I don't remember the music (first rewatch since the 90s)
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Oct 5, 2022 12:18
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Medullah posted:Huh I didn't know. I've been rewatching it on Peacock but it's been so long I don't remember the music (first rewatch since the 90s) I wonder if online and syndication have the original music in tact?
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I know syndication does (out at least did), because I used to watch all the marathons on USA. I think the licensing agreements just didn't extend to home release, which is why I wonder about online streaming also.
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