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joe football posted:I see tons of criticism of Canada but honestly the offense doesn't look, to an extremely unsophisticated fan like me, any different from other NFL teams. I know with the shambling corpse of roeth they had the insanely quick and short passing game with tons of WR screens. That poo poo absolutely sucked, but was maybe justifiable with his skillset. That really seems to be gone now and on the surface they're just doing the same stuff everyone else does. I thought people were saying last week they weren't letting Trubisky throw down field? You are right in saying his weakness is in processing. He's basically one read if its not there he's looking to run if there's pressure.
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The Browns don’t deserve anything good but Jacoby creating a QB controversy due to playing really well and leading their division when Watson’s suspension ends would be interesting.
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they won't have a controversy even if jacoby wins all his remaining games because this is his only year on the browns and somebody else will pay him more than the browns will/can if he does that well. i guess that's a reason for somebody to root for him now in a sense. but not really. Who They
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Cavauro posted:they won't have a controversy even if jacoby wins all his remaining games because this is his only year on the browns and somebody else will pay him more than the browns will/can if he does that well. i guess that's a reason for somebody to root for him now in a sense. but not really. Who They But does Jacoby keep starting this year?
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Ehud posted:More evidence that the 2021 Miami Dolphins offensive staff was a completely hopeless nightmare. turns out the offensive line wasn't just historically bad for Tua it looks so much better now
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Sep 23, 2022 15:25
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But does Jacoby keep starting this year? Lol is this a real question? You don't pay a guy a guaranteed $230 million to bench him for a perennial backup.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Lol is this a real question? You don't pay a guy a guaranteed $230 million to bench him for a perennial backup. Well then the optimal outcome is that Jacoby has them playing real well, Watson comes in, and they tank and miss the playoffs by a game.
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Actually Mitchy was awesome last night I'll have you know. https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1573314822749421570
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Diva Cupcake posted:Actually Mitchy was awesome last night I'll have you know. They gave him an 80.3 for the night somehow
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Sep 23, 2022 15:34
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Has there ever been a QB who was a Bear and then did extremely well on a different team after the Bears? I think we just ruin all QBs forever. Don't ever pick up a QB who used to be a Bear. This is a list of everyone that has ever thrown a ball for the Chicago Bears https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/career-passing.htm My dad had successful emergency heart surgery at the beginning of the month, and I had two panic attacks (one visiting him last week, a more-minor one earlier today overthinking about everything including the depression I'd already been dealing with pre-all of this). Seeing that list just now may still somehow be the saddest I've felt in September
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Sep 23, 2022 15:34
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PFF is really trying their damndest to get laughed off the stage this year huh
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PFF is the perfect repudiation of the "wisdom of crowds".
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Diva Cupcake posted:Actually Mitchy was awesome last night I'll have you know. Once again we are all owned by "science"
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well then the optimal outcome is that Jacoby has them playing real well, Watson comes in, and they tank and miss the playoffs by a game. yeah
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Is Jacoby playing that well? Statistically he seems pretty pedestrian, but I know they run the ball a lot.
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Ehud posted:Is Jacoby playing that well? Statistically he seems pretty pedestrian, but I know they run the ball a lot. Someone check his PFF rating!
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Diva Cupcake posted:Actually Mitchy was awesome last night I'll have you know. I know this to be false because Mitch only plays good games against the Lions.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well then the optimal outcome is that Jacoby has them playing real well, Watson comes in, and they tank and miss the playoffs by a game. I would love this
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Ehud posted:Is Jacoby playing that well? Statistically he seems pretty pedestrian, but I know they run the ball a lot. He is playing decent conservative football with a very good RB, an excellent Oline, and a couple good receivers to carry him. He's not doing anything special.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well then the optimal outcome is that Jacoby has them playing real well, Watson comes in, and they tank and miss the playoffs by a game. I'm really really rooting for Jacoby 8-3 Watson 0-6. Ehud posted:Is Jacoby playing that well? Statistically he seems pretty pedestrian, but I know they run the ball a lot. He's being very very efficient when he's asked to pass. He doesn't have blow you away TD or yardage numbers, but he doesn't need them. As for running, that's the thing, the Browns mostly just need to rely on running the ball and the passing just needs to be good enough to keep the defense honest and get the occasional surprise gain. This isn't a team that has a roster to be a pass centric team most likely, but they definitely can run the gently caress out of the ball.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Actually Mitchy was awesome last night I'll have you know. Lol they gave Lamar a 66 last week
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Steelers fans going full Kawalimus is not what I expected this year.
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I mean this was always the way for the Steelers though. They got dragged through last year by Ben being stubborn, and have a bad oline and no money to fix both. So they did what they could, and sending out the reclamation project vet to eat snaps until the rookie is ready and you're sure your oline won't kill him is fine. It's just gonna be with a worse record 'cuz of Watt's injury and the defense being mediocre.
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The Steelers may want to fight their annual urge to take skill players next year’s draft and actually invest in OL in the early rounds instead of trying to make due with mid-round projects
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AndrewP posted:The Steelers may want to fight their annual urge to take skill players next year’s draft and actually invest in OL in the early rounds instead of trying to make due with mid-round projects Draft a receiver with literally every pick and because the Steelers are magical at doing that trade some of them for established talent at other positions after you show they’re good.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Draft a receiver with literally every pick and because the Steelers are magical at doing that trade some of them for established talent at other positions after you show they’re good. Pats/Steelers need to draft and swap Oline/WR with each other.
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AndrewP posted:Lol they gave Lamar a 66 last week how does PFF's thing work with QBs. it's like, if a QB throws a complete pass to a wide open guy, that isn't as good as throwing a complete pass to a guy who is covered? something like that?
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I have to imagine Mitch's best PFF game was the time he demolished Tampa Bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xac0xyeWWA
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Kalli posted:I mean this was always the way for the Steelers though. They got dragged through last year by Ben being stubborn, and have a bad oline and no money to fix both. So they did what they could, and sending out the reclamation project vet to eat snaps until the rookie is ready and you're sure your oline won't kill him is fine. My hot take is that Najee Harris is the next coming of Trent Richardson
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epic bacon posted:how does PFF's thing work with QBs. it's like, if a QB throws a complete pass to a wide open guy, that isn't as good as throwing a complete pass to a guy who is covered? something like that? It's an eye test that is assigned a number
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I know this to be false because Mitch only plays good games against the Lions. Hey, he had a great game against the Bucs once, like four years ago.
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fartknocker posted:If you want to go way back, George Blanda, who was on the Bears in the 50s (Who mostly used him as a kicker) before going to the AFL when it started, and it was the stuff he did there and after that mostly got him in the HoF. I totally forgot that Doug Flutie's first 5 games in the NFL were as a Bear and he did pretty well for himself eventually. 5 games probably isn't enough time to get the Bears stink on you.
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epic bacon posted:how does PFF's thing work with QBs. it's like, if a QB throws a complete pass to a wide open guy, that isn't as good as throwing a complete pass to a guy who is covered? something like that? Every play is graded from -2 to +2. Most plays are supposed to be 0's. With a QB, making the right decision and making a good throw in time are what's supposed to be graded. That they are doing this from broadcast with no view of the receiver doesn't seem to come up in their methodology for some reason.
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Kalli posted:Every play is graded from -2 to +2. Most plays are supposed to be 0's. With a QB, making the right decision and making a good throw in time are what's supposed to be graded. What an incredibly lovely rubric that rewards inefficiency. They have insisted they’re using All-22 though.
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AndrewP posted:What an incredibly lovely rubric that rewards inefficiency. They have insisted they’re using All-22 though. They do, they put up grades immediately after the game, then claim once they have access to the all-22 they use that to re-grade.
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They’re also working in an environment that only benefits them when people getting mad at their lovely grades because Engagement. At least DVOA/DYAR is a standard algorithm.
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AndrewP posted:At least DVOA/DYAR is a standard algorithm. we *think*
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the advanced metrics have gotten so whacky that i've reverted to being an eyeball test guy. there's 10 stats posted every week that says QB A is both the next budding superstar and also the biggest piece of poo poo that ever played
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