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Oct 5, 2022 14:34
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the fact that they released them at all in this state suggests to me that they're likely to stick to it. which is tbh probably enough to make it work out, a lot of the biggest issues is stuff that will become less severe over time (brute-forcing old stuff while performing fine on new stuff, rebar support needed, etc.). also it is better for comedy overall.
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again, if you saw the state they released the i740 in, and the subsequent support for it, you might feel otherwise it didn't work for poo poo in most things due to a bunch of weird architectural decisions, the drivers were basically non-functional, and after a year and a few attempts to paper over the problems they decided to just kill it rather than try to fix the mess. i'm not saying this is 100% the same, but when i see reviews that say it has bewildering performance and all round glitch issues, and the drivers are a mess, well, there's one point of reference... infernal machines fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 14:55
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infernal machines posted:again, if you saw the state they released the i740 in, and the subsequent support for it, you might feel otherwise the comparison is not that good in that arc is (weirdly for intel), afaict, entirely cookie-cutter gpu 101. which is newly increasingly a thing as things have converged. and is to some extent why they actually work with dx12 and vulkan, where there's not that much to do to support such a thing. intel basically realizing that nvidia being 3x their market cap suggests that maybe *don't* invent a new weird thing, instead just get horning in on that.
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not much of an arc if they’re just back where they started
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Oct 5, 2022 15:12
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two 180° arcs, one after the other
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infernal machines posted:two 180° arcs, one after the other then you walk away akadajet fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 15:36
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I'm probably never going to buy one but I hope it stays around long enough and is just successful enough to get into a price war with nvidia e: it would be funny if the preferred gamer build became a ryzen with an intel gpu Clark Nova fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 16:05
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Intel is bad at supporting software. this may sound like a facile statement, but it is the core of their problem. Intel is a hardware company. they make some software, mostly drivers and related things. however they are run like a hardware company. their management don’t have the mentality for software development. their priorities aren’t aligned with those of getting quality software out. a gpu driver is a giant hairball of software. it touches some of the ugliest aspects of PC architecture: boot, graphics, virtualization. it has to do so on windows and linux. it implements very complex APIs (directx, vulken, OpenGL, some compute thing). it binds to on an enormous userspace support library, higher level APIs, shader compilers, … it’s a shitload of code. Intel is just not structured to produce this kind of software well, much less maintain it.
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The Management posted:Intel is bad at supporting software. yeah but I want them to get better at it because nvidia needs another serious competitor
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Oct 5, 2022 19:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvdrbxTtVo Sounds like maybe theres something to the hardware that makes pursuing the design worthwhile, but the software is too bad for it to be viable
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Oct 5, 2022 19:59
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Shaggar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvdrbxTtVo yeah. everybody assumed this would be the case
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Oct 5, 2022 20:18
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wonder who exactly is going to buy those. If anybody
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Oct 5, 2022 20:19
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i bet they get dumped into prebuilt systems and new egg bundles
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idgi hasn't intel been making (integrated) gpus for decades? it is some giant departure? they've needed some sort of drivers the entire time presumably.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:idgi hasn't intel been making (integrated) gpus for decades? it is some giant departure? they've needed some sort of drivers the entire time presumably. originally i thought "probably the performance profile of these bigger gpus make a lot of assumptions bad", but this has been bad enough that i now think "maybe the integrated gpus should have been better than they seemed too"
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:idgi hasn't intel been making (integrated) gpus for decades? it is some giant departure? they've needed some sort of drivers the entire time presumably. it sounds like nobody pushed them to make better drivers for them since nobody expected anything from the igpus. is amd any better with theirs?
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i think intel igpus were both never really considered for gaming so drivers didnt really matter plus they didnt have alot of the features that these new arc gpus have so they didnt need software for poo poo like the AI scaling or ray tracing or video capture or whatever features are now common in gpus. Plus if they're doing some kind of translation like dx11 to dx12 inside their drivers maybe some games just dont translate well and thats where some of the really bad performers come from. idk. AMD drivers were poo poo forever for both discrete and integrated GPUs. might still be poo poo idk i dont buy AMD. i imagine if their drivers work now for their dGPUs they probably work for their iGPUs.
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IIRC the ryzen-G models have the kind of performance you'd expect from an intel IGPU: good enough for a desktop or three and older stuff, but not really competitive with discrete gpus for any involved task source: a couple of ryzen 5700Gs
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the expensive lesson i learnt about graphics cards is it's never about the benchmarks, it's always about the drivers. your ability to play a game or do a thing is entirely dependent on drivers. so it's entirely pointless buying ati cards because most of your games won't even launch. it's incredible that that being the situation, intel, who are pretty loving far away at being known for being the driver kings, decided to give it a go. the way nvideo releases launch day patches (for their mostly very stable and good drivers) for every single game anyone has the slightest chance of caring about is the only actual thing that matters in graphics card town.
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now that's a name i haven't heard in a while
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has anyone changed the thread title to craptor lake yet
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chaosbreather posted:the expensive lesson i learnt about graphics cards is it's never about the benchmarks, it's always about the drivers. your ability to play a game or do a thing is entirely dependent on drivers. so it's entirely pointless buying ati cards because most of your games won't even launch. it's incredible that that being the situation, intel, who are pretty loving far away at being known for being the driver kings, decided to give it a go. the way nvideo releases launch day patches (for their mostly very stable and good drivers) for every single game anyone has the slightest chance of caring about is the only actual thing that matters in graphics card town. yeah i stopped buying ati in 2006 or so, too
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echinopsis posted:has anyone changed the thread title to craptor lake yet hear me out here, incel craptor lake
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chaosbreather posted:the expensive lesson i learnt about graphics cards is it's never about the benchmarks, it's always about the drivers. your ability to play a game or do a thing is entirely dependent on drivers. so it's entirely pointless buying ati cards because most of your games won't even launch. it's incredible that that being the situation, intel, who are pretty loving far away at being known for being the driver kings, decided to give it a go. the way nvideo releases launch day patches (for their mostly very stable and good drivers) for every single game anyone has the slightest chance of caring about is the only actual thing that matters in graphics card town.
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my radeon works fine
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mystes posted:Yeah there's literally no point in buying a weird intel discrete graphics card even if it had insane performance for the money because nothing is ever going to support it well irony here is that there was some promise that would not be the case, most games no doubt wind up tested pretty heavily on igpus if they can possibly run on them, pure ubiquity. but i believe intel wound up forking their driver stack as part of this scramble to make the things work, so that effort will not help arc at all.
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Gentle Autist posted:my radeon works fine lol
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Lol at the updated thread title
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I’m just glad someone finally said it
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intel? more like incel
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echinopsis posted:has anyone changed the thread title to craptor lake yet yes i did it
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post hole digger posted:yes i did it thanks
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Radeon drivers have improved to the degree where issues are mostly edge cases instead of "This new game literally does not work until AMD issues an update, which then breaks 2 other games", but they're still not great. Leagues ahead of what they were in the early 2000s though
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Radeon and Intel stuff is also completely out of the question if you even occasionally want to play with gpu accelerated machine learning poo poo.
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mystes posted:Radeon and Intel stuff is also completely out of the question if you even occasionally want to play with gpu accelerated machine learning poo poo. yep, though that's another aspect i have some hope intel could manage to open up a bit if they stick to it (fundamentally a lot of compiler work, which intel *can* kind of do). a 5-10 year kind of hope though, so buying anything but nvidia in present day is shooting oneself in the foot.
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post hole digger posted:yes i did it 
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Fabricated posted:Radeon drivers have improved to the degree where issues are mostly edge cases instead of "This new game literally does not work until AMD issues an update, which then breaks 2 other games", but they're still not great. Leagues ahead of what they were in the early 2000s though i've never had a non-nvidia card since like a voodoo 3 so i had no idea this was a thing people deal with lmao
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mystes posted:Radeon and Intel stuff is also completely out of the question if you even occasionally want to play with gpu accelerated machine learning poo poo. rocm is starting to gain some traction. pytorch and meta's new thing both have decent support for it.
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