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Kwyndig posted:There's a guy in JJK who loves BBWs? I thought that series just had the idol guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4s0QXzKVv0
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I misremembered, he likes tall girls i think? I remembered him aaying big girls but looking it up i think he meant vertical not horizontal.
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Jan 2, 2023 14:06
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Endorph posted:I misremembered, he likes tall girls i think? With a big rear end. Very important detail.
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Jan 2, 2023 14:07
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I don’t think Jennifer Lawrence is a BBW
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Mons Hubris posted:I don’t think Jennifer Lawrence is a BBW
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Jan 2, 2023 14:33
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I do think it would be slightly more novel if itadori meant tall and todo meant wide and their weird friendship thing was based off of a misunderstanding that never gets corrected
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Endorph posted:like i said i misremembered!!! There's always Biscuit Oliva at least.
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ninjewtsu posted:But the real problem with csm is the story seems to be built primarily around the main character being groomed and while I get how unsettling that is is the point, its execution doesn't have the tact it needs to not feel like it's actually just the author's poorly disguised fetish with a story built around that to justify it. The part where denji starts getting groomed by a second adult woman was the part that really made me go "ehhhh I don't think I can keep giving this the benefit of the doubt" Yeah, I felt the same way. That and the whole show lacked a sufficient level of action for a shonen. I think their attempt at cinematography got in the way.
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Jan 2, 2023 15:11
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supposedly the director wanted it to be less anime than normal anime, but I don't have that quote off the top of my head so it might be bullshit
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Jan 2, 2023 15:18
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The grooming stuff in CSM is not cool, which is a shame because it's one of the few that I'd consider recommending to people because the style is great and the world and characters are interesting. I think it's a solid adaptation and I like the more cinematic look they've gone for. The EDs are awesome. Aimer is so good.
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also makimas mostly just manipulating denji she isnt really grooming him. i mean its hosed up but grooming is a very specific thing involving longterm, low-level social manipulation of a child, not just makima's 'sure ill let you touch a boob'. and tbh considering how mainstream popular it is i think youre fine recommending it lol
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Endorph posted:i dont think that many shonen in 2022 have comedy perverts tbh. like jjk has that guy who just talks about how much he loves BBWs but i dont think he ever actually does anything He should
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Jan 2, 2023 15:41
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Just read this page and was disappointed
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Freakazoid_ posted:Yeah, I felt the same way. I would say the show works better because of the lack of action imo. Makes stuff like the cerebral warfare scene and the final fight stand out more.
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Jan 2, 2023 15:43
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Namtab be liking them big? Updating the poster database.
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I think it's fine to recommend CSM, Game of Thrones was one of the biggest mainstream hits. Fake edit: Also to the poster trying to read CSM: I remember my old Kobo refused to load archives that had any file with Japanese characters in the file name so it might be that.
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There’s stuff about makimas relationship with denji that I can’t talk about because it’s big spoilers which isn’t cool but I don’t think the term grooming is really appropriate
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Jan 2, 2023 15:51
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Big spoils: Its emotional abuse
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Jan 2, 2023 15:53
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it doesn't read that way ("grooming" is very specific) with what the anime has covered so far either imo. I can see why it would put people off and ofc ppl can like/dislike what they want but I don't think it's fair to stretch it beyond what it is
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Zeruel posted:supposedly the director wanted it to be less anime than normal anime, but I don't have that quote off the top of my head so it might be bullshit you're the second person I've heard say this so im thinking it isn't bs
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I cooled off on it a lot in comparison to Bocchi and Akiba but the CSM anime got friends and family to pick up the manga (physical volume xmas gifts were well received) so I'm chalking it up as a win.
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i think it's fine for csm to be about weird and hosed up dynamics and to not have a lot of punching. shonen don't always need to have a lot of punching. sometimes needing to have a lot of punching is the boring part
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It's completely fine to be turned off by that stuff. But I do find that amusing given the first episode of the show has a 16 year old who sold his organs to service his father's debt and now makes a living as essentially a contract killer.
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The Colonel posted:i think it's fine for csm to be about weird and hosed up dynamics and to not have a lot of punching. shonen don't always need to have a lot of punching. sometimes needing to have a lot of punching is the boring part im reading OP on and off and the punching is actually the most boring part of it for me
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The Colonel posted:sometimes needing to have a lot of punching is the boring part absolutely. this can extend to movies as well.
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I had kinda assumed grooming just meant "long term emotionally and sexually manipulating a child" and it seems it is a more specific term than that. My bad. CSM is still weird about it in a way that's uncomfortably close to over the line way too often though. Where everyone's line is will be different and I still like the show but at the point that a show tiptoes that close to that line that much it is a detracting factor.
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ninjewtsu posted:I had kinda assumed grooming just meant "long term emotionally and sexually manipulating a child" and it seems it is a more specific term than that. My bad. I haven't read the manga, but my take is that the show is broadly about Denji's agency. Almost every character in the show is using (or used) him for some goal. Power got her cat, Aki wants him to kill the gun devil, himeno wanted his help to get with aki etc. Denji openly proclaims that theres nothing wrong with his own simple life goals (and therefore is ok with being used to accomplish them) but I'm assuming that attitude will eventually change. Unless the plot is actually bad and that doesn't happen. I think its fine to be grossed out about where the story went with this, but it's not like it's gratuitous imo, the plot beats are directly related to the main theme of the show.
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Denji has agency but his wants and needs are very simple and his entire motivation at this point is to maintain the lifestyle he has.
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Yeah so to clarify my opinion isn't that that kind of subject matter can't be used or presented in a story, but if you do broach that subject matter you have to be really careful and tactful about it or it's really bad really fast. And csm didn't quite hit that bar, so instead of being the good kind of uncomfortable (empathetic to the characters involved and their position in the story) it's the bad kind of uncomfortable (too acutely aware that this is fiction so a human being decided to include this material for reasons that might not be purely how well it fits the story being told) You know, like the old discussion of including rape as a plot point in stories. It's not that it can't be done, but if you do it you better do it pretty loving well. That subject matter is held to a different standard. ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jan 2, 2023 |
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It sounds like Chainsaw Man is just No More Heroes 1
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ninjewtsu posted:That subject matter is held to a different standard. Passive voice doing some heavy lifting there to universalize your opinion.
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Do you disagree with the rest of that paragraph that sentence was a concise summary of? I didn't realize it was a controversial position but if so sure, I guess that's a matter of taste
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im thinking maybe you should know more than a quarter of the source material before arguing that the uncomfortable bits were ultimately handled poorly
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that being said id have to read back but i do think MAPPA may have upped it a bit but like, that was inevitable wrt anime filling in gaps between panels
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I think I disagree with the fundamental premise of your position
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symbolic posted:im thinking maybe you should know more than a quarter of the source material before arguing that the uncomfortable bits were ultimately handled poorly Can't say I'm a fan of the idea of schrodinger's underaged sexual manipulation themes either! How far do I have to go before the inclusion of that material stops being "trust me, it'll be good later"? When am I allowed to possess an opinion on if I find its usage unsavory in these earlier scenes? How much benefit of the doubt am I expected to extend on this?
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i am taking the word "grooming" away from you and putting it on a tall shelf
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Extremely glad I’m not American
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Oxxidation posted:i am taking the word "grooming" away from you and putting it on a tall shelf ninjewtsu posted:I had kinda assumed grooming just meant "long term emotionally and sexually manipulating a child" and it seems it is a more specific term than that. My bad.  I'm not using that word anymore
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ninjewtsu posted:You know, like the old discussion of including rape as a plot point in stories. It's not that it can't be done, but if you do it you better do it pretty loving well. i mean im not saying it cant be handled poorly but id rather a messy and kinda weird depiction of it over none at all so long as it feels like theres at least some attempt to characterize the victim
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