NFL Week 4 Aftermath: Throwing up gang signs

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Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

When does that hospital open the Stephen Ross Neurotrauma wing?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 04:38

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 13:09

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

I'm not a doctor but that's a bad idea

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1575691701959663616

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 04:50

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

They just didn't tell the ER docs that he had a concussion sunday so they'd release him tonight lol

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 05:03

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Deserves to be here and not just the gently caress the Dolphins threads.

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthand...gement-protocol

quote:

"No-Go" Signs and Symptoms.
If a player exhibits or reports any of the following signs or symptoms of concussion, he must be removed immediately from the field of play and transported to the locker room. If a neutral sideline observer or a member of the player's club's medical team observes a player exhibit or receives a report that a player has experienced any of the following signs or symptoms, the player shall be considered to have suffered a concussion and may not return to participation (practice or play) on the same day under any circumstances:

Loss of Consciousness (including Impact Seizure and/or "fencing posture")
Gross Motor Instability (GMI), identified in the judgment of the club medical staff in consultation with the Sideline UNC, who observe the player's behavior, have access to the player's relevant history and are able to rule out an orthopedic cause for any observed instability
Confusion
Amnesia

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 06:16

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Eifert Posting posted:

It's never going to not be mind-boggling to me that the NFL doesn't want more bye weeks. Football fans watch football. If the Bengals are on a bye and they're not like two and eight or something I watch just as many football games on a bye week as I do on a week where my team is playing.

More rest = more opportunity to get healthy = better spectacle

In a lot of ways they've been getting better. The new IR and practice squad rules in particular are so much better than they were 5 years ago. I just do not get the insistence on one bye.

They probably want another bye just not as much as the union does and know they can get something from players for it.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 16:42

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

He totally cleared protocols everyday we promise guys!

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1575896647254609921

edit: it's particularly annoying that the league itself is going to take up the "back injury" lie. Nope no symptoms sunday until thursday night when he went full posturing. drat the publics lying eyes.

Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Sep 30, 2022

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 18:17

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

and Tretter (NFLPA President) has finally spoken up

https://twitter.com/JCTretter/status/1575907529200402432

edit: embed cropping out a couple paragraphs

# ¿ Sep 30, 2022 19:03

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Pontius Pilate posted:

Is this a goon or something? Google is only giving me parmesan and basil recipes

Chiefs goon that wrote a whole manifesto quiting football after Tyreek broke his kids arm

# ¿ Oct 1, 2022 20:35

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Concussion rules getting changed

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1576351939784474625

# ¿ Oct 2, 2022 00:26

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Paracausal posted:

Are they going to change the protocols around locked up backs or is that being swept under the carpet??!?!

Watching a thing this morning a fix by that doctor was to rewrite the Gross Motor part to assume instability is caused by concussion without visible deformity. Basically force teams to assume head injury and prove there's orthopedic symptoms reversing the current loophole.

Plenty more poo poo that should/could be done like giving the union influence over team medical staffs.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2022 01:07

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

hobbesmaster posted:

He did have final say in that if he said no then Tua couldn�t play full stop.

The team doctors also had that power and the behavior of that team also needs to be dealt with but the doctor that was supposed to represent the NFL and NFLPA would always be the first we�d hear about because the union can directly �fire� them.

Except your wrong and it's been discussed since it happened that the NFL protocol gives the team doctor final say. The neurologist is a consultant and the team doctors are given explicit final say.

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthand...gement-protocol

quote:

Definitions/Responsible Parties

Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant (UNC)
A UNC shall be a physician who is impartial and independent from any Club, is board certified in neurology, emergency medicine, physical medicine and rehabilitation, or any primary care CAQ sports medicine certified physician or board eligible or board certified in neurological surgery, and has documented competence and experience in the treatment of acute head injuries. UNCs are appointed by the NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee in consultation with the NFLPA Mackey-White Committee and approved by the NFL Chief Medical Officer and the NFLPA Medical Director, and have undergone formal UNC training provided by the NFL and NFLPA. At each game, each Club will be assigned a UNC to be present on its sideline who shall be: (i) focused on identifying signs or symptoms of concussion and mechanisms of injury that warrant concussion evaluation, (ii) working in consultation with the Head Team Physician or his/her designee to implement the concussion evaluation and management protocol (including the Locker Room Comprehensive Concussion Assessment Exam) during the games, and (iii) present to observe (and collaborate when appropriate with the team physician) the Sideline Concussion Assessment Exams performed by Club medical staff. The UNCs also will be available to assist in coordinating which physician will accompany a player who is transported to the EAP-designated trauma center for more advanced evaluation and treatment. The UNCs will work with the Club's medical staff and will assist in the diagnosis and care of the concussed player. The Club physician/UNC unit will be co-located for all concussion evaluations and management both on and off the field. The UNC may present his/her own questions or conduct additional testing and shall assist in the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. Regardless, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remains exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or his/her physician designee responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of concussion. A UNC will also be present for sideline evaluations for neuropraxia ("stingers" or "burners") and other potential spinal and peripheral nerve injuries.

Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 2, 2022

# ¿ Oct 2, 2022 20:10

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Yea, but there�s no evidence that the team doctor overruled the UNCs recommendation. If he�d been overruled I presume he wouldn�t have been uncooperative during the NFLPA interviews.

The statement that came with his firing sounds like he thought his job was to rubber stamp and took umbridge with being questioned on doing so. That's my impression anyway. The end of it all was he had clear no go signs that were ignored outright and he was returned to play. Who made what decisions is up in the air currently.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article266526866.html#storylink=cpy

quote:

According to NFL Network, the union exercised its right to fire the consultant and cited several reasons, including �failure to understand his role and hostility during the investigation.�

# ¿ Oct 2, 2022 20:40

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

YOLOsubmarine posted:

If you’re a doctor brought in to provide medical advice in your area of expertise and you say “yea, sure, he’s fine” despite knowing that the person has a head injury and could be horribly injured or killed you probably deserve to be fired and also stripped of your license and also sued into oblivion.

Fully agree. What does "failed to understand his role" read like to you in this situation? Hell we don't even know if he did an actual evaluation right now and this dude is a complete failure at his job. All we can do is theorize off current statements, what we saw and the rules as currently written.

As written the team doctor has final responsibility and needs to be held accountant however the PA can't fire that guy.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2022 20:48

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

wandler20 posted:

lol what does that have to do with anything?

Also, delayed symptoms, ok sure. Maybe it's a thing but I doubt it.

https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1577015956496580608?s=20&t=BPRr37Esh0P6YnC5kzj04g

Delayed symptoms are a thing with concussions. More damning that the system is broken because the spotter didn't buzz down to pull him for a full evaluation.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2022 20:59

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 13:09

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

The receivers and rb are good and Buffalos defense is riddled with injuries. There's worse to throw him to

# ¿ Oct 4, 2022 06:53

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