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Lessail posted:I think I'll live in the moment and enjoy this: Starting to see why Jets fans weren’t happy about Scheifele’s defense lol
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eXXon posted:Dubas first. Also do it five months ago. The whole point of not extending Dubas and leaving him a lame duck is so Shanahan can easily fire him if the team doesn’t perform. It’s a little hard to see how/why he could avoid that right now.
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Oct 31, 2022 04:13
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The Atlantic Divison standings are pretty funny to look at Boston - 16 points Florida - 11 points Buffalo, Detroit, Tampa, Montreal, Toronto - 10 points Ottawa - 8 points Really every team in the East is still realistically in the Wild Card hunt (not that it matters at this stage of the year) except for maybe Columbus. They might already be hosed.
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Oct 31, 2022 04:19
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The Atlantic Divison standings are pretty funny to look at Nah, they'll shitcan Larsen and whoever the new coach is will rally them to be in-range but result in a 9th-11th place finish instead of just staying down and increasing their chances at Bedard. I've seen this movie a few times.
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Oct 31, 2022 04:41
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The Atlantic Divison standings are pretty funny to look at there's only one team in the Atlantic with a negative goal differential, and it's Toronto
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Oct 31, 2022 05:23
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Oct 31, 2022 05:34
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Koopa Kid posted:The whole point of not extending Dubas and leaving him a lame duck is so Shanahan can easily fire him if the team doesn’t perform. It’s a little hard to see how/why he could avoid that right now. New theory for the Leafs poor play - too many brain shambles https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1586916915426885632?s=20&t=jz_KlV28GG9xcRpDvBRAUA
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What’s the best streams for catching games? Or is this considered  ? There’s not that many good alternatives here in Europe.
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Oct 31, 2022 12:38
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Good morning, please entertain us all with some ill considered panic move please Toronto.
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Oct 31, 2022 12:51
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CBJSprague24 posted:Nah, they'll shitcan Larsen and whoever the new coach is will rally them to be in-range but result in a 9th-11th place finish instead of just staying down and increasing their chances at Bedard. Who are they passing though? I guess Buffalo is a product of PDO. And I don't think Detroit is really there yet. But otherwise...? Montreal I guess...
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Oct 31, 2022 12:59
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Oct 31, 2022 13:39
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Jesse is precious and I will be upset when the Oilers trade him
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Oct 31, 2022 13:39
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I'm enjoying the Dubas camera shots every game... Seems to be muttering under his breath a fair bit.
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Oct 31, 2022 14:34
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It’s not a good look that Keefe has had to publicly call out his team, and especially his star players like 4 times already after 10 games. I’m sure Mitch Marner and his dad are furious about him being benched last night in the 3rd I can’t see him making it past 20 games if they have another funny collapse in the next couple weeks
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Oct 31, 2022 14:54
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I think it'd be different for the Leafs if they were pulling their usual stretch of bad goaltending/shooting percentage stuff but still owning key metrics, but they're under 50% in xG% and 12th in Fenwick. The team has legitimately been mediocre/bad and they've mostly played bottom feeders to start the year. This isn't a stretch that can really be waved off the way that similar stretches in the past have been. Combine that with some expectation that the team should be taking a step forward from their past shortcomings, it's one thing when guys like Aube-Kubel or Kral gently caress up but it's not good when Mitch Marner looks like the worst forward on the ice against the loving Ducks, and a very understandable lack of patience for that progress to show up, and it's a bad feeling in Leaf-land. I don't think the current doomsaying is panicked nonsense, the numbers look almost as bad as the results.
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Oct 31, 2022 15:41
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I think it's a bit of both. I don't think they're as bad as their record indicates, but they haven't been just getting unlucky. However if Matthews is shooting at his career average that's a bunch more goals, enough so that they probably squeak out a few more wins.
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Oct 31, 2022 15:54
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If Matthews was scoring the Leafs would be squeaking out wins but they'd still be playing uncommonly bad while doing so. It's not really the record that's the issue. https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/1587092007847092226?s=20&t=tEJ6-uTKY7pndvglp_pyCA More points about goal scoring are coming up too of course. I don't think the approach to acquiring low-event players that can eat minutes instead of stashing a bunch of flawed PP2 specialists in the bottom lines was a bad call. The issue is that those guys showed up and immediately started getting caved, and considering there's lots of prior data on those guys being fine defensively I'm inclined to blame Keefe. It's not the first time that the Leafs have acquired defensive minded forwards that have played well against them and once they put on the jersey they're disasters, and in the group mentioned both Spezza and Kase gave up as much or more than they got at evens. Not scoring as much is fine as long as you don't get scored on a proportionate amount, and one approach is a lot cheaper than the other. At some point it's worth asking why the Leafs consistently can't find more than a single forward to play effective defence despite acquiring lots of guys who've done it before.
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Oct 31, 2022 15:56
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Sucking early in the season is always anxiety inducing because it's too early to know if you're just slumping or actually a bad team. The Leafs seem like their roster is too good to play like that for long. I know they have holes, but there's just so much top end talent. With the Penguins I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop and age to hit them like a sack of bricks. Their underlying metrics are still fine so far so that's what I'm clinging to. Letang and Dumoulin's struggles are really brutal to watch right now though.
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Oct 31, 2022 16:04
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Seems like becoming a team that isn't trying to outscore its problems is a bad idea when you have to rely on Kalgren and Matt Murray. Their goalering still stinks! Dubas also has a habit of signing guys on the near to or on the wrong side of 30 who may have been good recently but fall off a cliff real fast.
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:do the Devils have three guys that can go? we're dressing Reaves/Carpenter/Blais as our 4th line right now. Including juniors and minors, Blais has been in three fights and Carpenter in eight. Reaves has 150+, for comparison.
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Oct 31, 2022 16:09
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Crosby has been in 8, for comparison. Kessel has 4.
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They had some stupid poo poo on NHL Network last night about the Leafs trying to play more of a playoff type grit game in the regular season so that they would be ready for the playoffs. Although, it is true that they're playing their playoff game in that they've already lost four games. But honestly, they played great in the playoffs last year -- they were at least 50/50 there to beat Tampa if not better, and if they win that series they're probably in the Finals. Doubt they beat Colorado, but they had a finals capable roster last year. Was it Keefe or Dubas who said the oft mocked line of "We got a lot of respect this year." Which was funny but also kinda true in a sense, they looked like a real contender last year. There's no Avs or Tampa juggernaut lurking around this season. It's THE year for a top heavy team with holes like Toronto or Edmonton to make a real run and instead it's going to be like uhhh...Boston/Carolina/Vegas/Calgary??? T-Bone fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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T-Bone posted:They had some stupid poo poo on NHL Network last night about the Leafs trying to play more of a playoff type grit game in the regular season so that they would be ready for the playoffs. It is true that they're playing their playoff game in that they've already lost four games.  that is an incredible galaxy-brain take right there
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Oct 31, 2022 16:18
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Saw Trotz was trending on Twitter, but it's just Leafs fans playing pretend.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Seems like becoming a team that isn't trying to outscore its problems is a bad idea when you have to rely on Kalgren and Matt Murray. Their goalering still stinks! The goaltending has been fine, way better than expected, outside of Murray who played one game. Never acquiring skaters with potential upside and always defaulting to signing guys who were good 10 years ago is an issue, yes. T-Bone posted:Was it Keefe or Dubas who said the oft mocked line of "We got a lot of respect this year." Which was funny but also kinda true in a sense, they looked like a real contender last year. It was Keefe, and honestly he didn't get mocked enough for that comment
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Didn't Trotz just say he wanted to coach an original six team? But that he wouldn't be ready until December?quote:Mike Sullivan Named Head Coach of Pittsburgh Penguins the prophecy
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Like I'm not concerned that the Leafs are missing the playoffs or whatever, and there's some bright spots on the roster early on. But all of the old bad tendencies and flaws in the team are rearing their head early, and the team overall has been legitimately not good. I'm 100% confident they'll pull a decent record together by the end of the year but it's hard to see how this team gets over the hump in the postseason when everything feels so stagnant.
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Koopa Kid posted:The goaltending has been fine, way better than expected, outside of Murray who played one game. Never acquiring skaters with potential upside and always defaulting to signing guys who were good 10 years ago is an issue, yes. Kallgren's had save% of .897, .871 and .833. That's not good! And Matt Murray stunk in his one start. And they lost all 4 of those games! Samsonov has been good, and the Leafs are winning his starts. Those aren't coincidences. As to the skater part, a big part is the Leafs haven't developed a forward prospect in a while (outside of Robertson). And I mean just guys who can play, not necessarily play up in the lineup. When you have no cap space and have to fill out a roster, there aren't many options. Once in a while you'll get Bunting, but most of the time guys signing for 1million or less are super flawed and that's the best you're gonna get. Darude - Adam Sandstorm fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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Oct 31, 2022 16:56
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It’s all relative, any start Källgren gets higher than .800 is better than he should be doing, that guy sucks out loud. Worth noting that his goals allowed above expected per 60 is still better than a bunch of guys who aren’t third-stringers too, “slightly worse than Jonathan Quick” seems fine for an AHL call up.
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AntiDepressor posted:New theory for the Leafs poor play - too many brain shambles going to be thinking about the phrase “shambles in our brains” for at least the next five years. in 2032 I’m going to remember “everybody was trying to put shambles in our brain” and laugh out loud from my government-mandated Neuralink that implanted a shamble in my brain
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https://twitter.com/DannyShireyPGH/status/1587115556028780546?s=20&t=Y3dSqkB4PnHZrR5X5vzofA Sullivan is a good coach but these lines are kinda frustrating me. I don't get Rakell with Malkin when Rakell has always looked his best with Crosby.
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Ginette Reno posted:Sucking early in the season is always anxiety inducing because it's too early to know if you're just slumping or actually a bad team. The Leafs seem like their roster is too good to play like that for long. I know they have holes, but there's just so much top end talent. Yeah, in particular Letang, because if Letang is washed up then so are the Penguins. Everyone has always looked better with Crosby than with Malkin so I'm not sure switching Rakell with Rust would really help anything.
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AntiDepressor posted:New theory for the Leafs poor play - too many brain shambles Not to put even more shambles into his brain, but they started 5-4-1 last year, and none of those losses was to Arizona. HE started out worse last year, but it's a team sport. Ultimately meaningless this point in the season with the teams so close, but the Senators have 2 chances to put the Leafs into last place in the division. A symbolic victory, but a funny one. Also funny, 3 of the 6 Toronto losses so far were to 30th, 31st, and 32nd in the league.
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Ginette Reno posted:https://twitter.com/DannyShireyPGH/status/1587115556028780546?s=20&t=Y3dSqkB4PnHZrR5X5vzofA at this point get wild with it Rakell played center forever ago, give him l2 with Guentzel
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After pulling together the usual corsi, shot, xG, and actual data....then sifting through it a bit....and then looking at the Pens overall numbers relative to the rest of the league...and some other random stuff I have great news. The simple answer is probably the correct one. That is to say - The Pens are really really really bad away from home. On home ice the Pens have played 9 periods and only 2 bad ones (1st and 2nd against LA) and were fortunate with finishing to survive that before playing an excellent 3rd period. On the road the Pens have played 18 periods worth of hockey posting 7 periods of sub 40% xG. Combined the stat line is 37% CF, 32% Shots For, 32% chances for, 30% High Dangers for, 28% xGF, and being outscored 2 to 13 for a 13% actual GF. Of the remaining 11 periods I would categorize 5 as very good which has a 60% CF, 70% shots for, 69% scoring chances, 72.5% high dangers, 74% xGF, and an actual split of 9 to 3. Except 6 of those 9 are from the Columbus game and the only road win of the year. The remaining periods I *wish* I could call coin flips, but in actuality it's a bunch of 45% xG periods which the Pens have only been punished for once against Vancouver and scored 0. Of the 27 periods the Pens have played this year they only have 2 which are close a 50/50 xG period. That is to say that the Pens are extremely Jeckyl and Hyde. When they have a good period...they really have a good period. 12 of their 27 periods this year have been 60% xGF or better. Another 9 are 39% xGF or far far worse. Kinda notable things - the PK needs to be fixed. Immediately. 70% with 9 goals on a league average 31 chances shorthanded. It isn't a goaltending problem either. Dumo/Letang has been massively awful, Caggiula isn't a NHL player and shouldn't be on the roster (not reclaiming Zohorna here seems insane to me), and Poehling/Poulin/Kapanen/PoJ also having difficult times on the road. So the road troubles (to me) gesture towards usage/depth issues. I definitely do not think the bottom 6 is nearly as good this year as last. Of course having Zucker/Guentzel out of the top 6 means the depth gets exposed even more so. The final other thing that jumps out at me is the rate of giveaways. At home Letang/Dumo have 1.2 giveaway per 60...Rutta is credited with zero and Marcus Pettersson has 1.4 and Petry drops in next to Dumo. On the road the giveaways explode. Rutta credited with 2.61 per 60, 2.2 for Dumo/Letang, and Petry jumps about .5 to 1.74. Pettersson moves up slightly also to 1.7. PoJ is the only one that bucks the trend...going from 2.61 at home to .9 on the road. This seems to match my perception/eye test/memory. Defensemen somehow becoming utterly incapable of making basic passes leading to either very very chippy exits then having the puck cycled right back into the Pens zone or straight up turnovers once again putting the team under pressure. Tweaks and adjustments in the breakout I know I've brought up tons before with Sullivan and he's delivered thus far. I wish he would stop with their Dan Bylsma stretch pass though. It seems to constantly end up as icing and put the team under continued pressure leading to the snowball periods where the Pens get utterly buried.
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T-Bone posted:Although, it is true that they're playing their playoff game in that they've already lost four games. loving lol
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