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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Welcome to the Somethingawful Book Club!


In this thread, we pick one book every month and post about it together. Each month we pick a new book but any book that's been picked before or that you'd like to suggest we pick in future is fair game for postin'.

Read as Thou Wilt is the Whole of the Law


Past Books of the Month

The SA Book of the Month has been running since before 2008! For the full list of prior selections, refer to archives. In recent years, we have read:


2019:
January: Roadside Picnic by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky
February: BEAR by Marian Engel
March: V. by Thomas Pynchon
April: The Doorbell Rang by Rex Stout
May: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
June: 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus by Charles C. Mann
July: The Art of Fielding by Chad Harbach
August: Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay
September: Picnic at Hanging Rock by Joan Lindsay
October: Her Body and Other Parties by Carmen Maria Machado
November: The Maltese Falcon by Dashiell Hammett
December: Moby Dick by Herman Melville

2020:
January: The Jungle by Upton Sinclair
February: WE by Yevgeny Zamyatin
March: The Autobiography of Benvenuto Cellini by Benvenuto Cellini
April: The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio
May: Black Lamb and Grey Falcon by Dame Rebecca West
June: The African Queen by C. S. Forester
July: The End of Policing by Alex S. Vitale
August: The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood, of Great Renown in Nottinghamshire, by Howard Pyle
September: Strange Hotel, by Eimear McBride
October:Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things (怪談)("Ghost Stories"), by Lafcadio Hearn
November: A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear: The Utopian Plot to Liberate an American Town (And Some Bears) , by Matthew Hongoltz Hetling
December: Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants by John Drury Clark

2021:

January: The Mark of Zorro by Johnston McCulley
February: How to Read Donald Duck by Ariel Dorfman and Armand Mattelart
March: Carrier Wave by Robert Brockway
April: The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brian
May: You Can't Win by Jack Black
June:Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson
July:Can Such Things Be by Ambrose Bierce
August: Swann's Way by Marcel Proust
September:A Dreamer's Tales by Edward John Moreton Drax Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany
October:We Have Always Lived in the Castle by Shirley Jackson
November:Strong Poison by Dorothy Sayers
December:Hogfather by Terry Pratchett

2022:

January: The Sun Also Rises by Earnest Hemingway
February: Les Contes Drolatiques by Honore de Balzac
March: Depeche Mode by Serhiy Zhadan
April: Kalpa Imperial by Angélica Gorodischer (Trans. Le Guin)
May:Night Flight by Antoine de Saint-Exupery
June: The Forgotten Beasts of Eld by Patricia McKillip
July:The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler
August:Pompeii by Mary Beard
September:The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie
October: Carmilla by Joseph Sheridan Lefanu
November: Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata
December: If On a Winter's Night a Traveler by Italo Calvino

2023
January: Oil! by Upton Sinclair
February: Counterfeit Monkey by Emily Short
March: Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse
April: The Importance of Being Earnest by Oscar Wilde
May: The King Must Die by Mary Renault
June: Don Quixote by Cervantes
July-August: Suttree by Cormac McCarthy
September: Communion: A True Story by Whitley Streiber
October: Camp Damascus by Chuck Tingle
November: Rocannon's World by Ursula Le Guin
December: Love by Hanne Ørstavik (Translated by Martin Aitken)

2024
January: Book Review Bonanza!
February: Orlando by Virginia Woolf
March: This Is How You Lose The Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone
April: Guards! Guards! by Terry Pratchett

Current: North Woods by Daniel Mason



Resources:

Project Gutenberg - http://www.gutenberg.org
- A database of over 17000 books available online. If you can suggest books from here, that'd be the best.

SparkNotes - http://www.sparknotes.com/
- A very helpful Cliffnotes-esque site, but much better, in my opinion. If you happen to come in late and need to catch-up, you can get great character/chapter/plot summaries here.


Discussion of Past Months

This thread is now the general Book Club thread. You can, and should, post about any book that's on the list above.


Pacing

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Please post after you read!

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Hieronymous Alloy
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Morbid Hound
This will be the ongoing, rolling megathread for the Book of the Month going forward -- please bookmark!

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Morbid Hound
Suggestions for Future Months

You can suggest a book for us to read in future months!

If you have a suggestion for next month's book, please post about it!

Generally what we're looking for in a BotM are works that have some combination of

quote:

1) accessibility -- either easy to read or easy to download a free copy of, ideally both

2) novelty -- something a significant fraction of the forum hasn't already read

3) discussability -- intellectual merit, controversiality, insight -- a book people will be able to talk about.


Suggestions for future BOTM's (running list)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mayne_Reid
Nomadland
The Street by Ann Petry
Debt: The First 5000 Years
Role Models by John Waters
Against Nature
Lightning Rods
Restraint of Beasts
at night all blood is black
ape and essence
Lost Horizon
Philip Roth (Plot Against America, American Pastoral, or Portnoy's Complaint)
Addiction by Design
The Road Back
Ring of Bright Water
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shame_of_the_Cities
Matrix by Lauren Groff
The Autobiography of a Flea
Swan Song
Water Margin
Under the Volcano

quote:

also for the next botm can everyone please suggest spinal catastrophism by thomas moynihan cos i think it would be really funny and literally no one would enjoy it
https://theuntranslated.wordpress.com/2021/04/18/melancolia-by-mircea-cartarescu/
Salaambo
Pimp by Iceberg Slim
Now and Then..., the collection of Gil Scott-Heron's poetry
hardwired by john walter williams
king leopold's ghost
Convenience Store Woman
Highlander: The Novel
The Once and Future King
The King Must Die
Passages from the Life of a Philosopher by Charles Babbage
Lost Children Archive by Valeria Luiselli
Black Lizard and Beast in the Shadows by Edogawa Rampo
Sleeping With Hitler’s Wife.
Six Characters in Search of an Author
Boris Godunov
The 42nd Parallel
All the Pretty Horses
The Twelve Chairs
The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin.
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
The Lathe of Heaven
The Egg and I
A Horse Walks Into a Bar by David Goldstein
Underground by Murakami
Missing Person from Modiano and Second-Hand Time from Alexievitch
Year of the Runaways
Orlando
The Orphan Master's Son
All Tomorrows

[/spoiler]

Prior Book of the Month Polls (spoiler tagged so as not to clog the thread)


https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1375824850430869504?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1563976576290676736?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1551731458225618944?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1518750996813565952?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1332710186214182912?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1354247560253194240?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1255197970380795907?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1266505654170255361?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1419833847387131904?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1211808697057529863?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1264661413227827201?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1223203562194395137?s=20&t=DQpcNBG4RvPJWvniYM2kVw



poisonpill posted:

I'll put the following out, and I think each one would drive some good discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAOS:_Charles_Manson,_the_CIA,_and_the_Secret_History_of_the_Sixties
The best crackping CSPAM brain-breaking book of the last decade. Just incredible in scope and scale. This is both the story of Manson, and also the story of journalism, unravelling the established story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Man
More fun and readable than you'd think; one of the more enjoyable selects of important Black American Lit.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31451077-autumn-of-the-black-snake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Angels:_The_Strange_and_Terrible_Saga_of_the_Outlaw_Motorcycle_Gangs
Just a classic for anyone who hasn't read HST yet, or only read FaLiLV

One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
In case you're looking for something RU/Ukraine - tangential

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Hieronymous Alloy
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Morbid Hound
The Book of the Month for October 2022 is




Carmilla by Joseph Sheridan Lefanu

quote:

Carmilla is an 1872 Gothic novella by Irish author Sheridan Le Fanu and one of the early works of vampire fiction, predating Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897) by 26 years.


Book available here:
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10007

https://archive.org/details/carmilla_s_lefanu_librivox

About the Book

quote:

First published as a serial in The Dark Blue (1871–72),[1][2] the story is narrated by a young woman preyed upon by a female vampire named Carmilla, later revealed to be Mircalla, Countess Karnstein (Carmilla is an anagram of Mircalla). The character is a prototypical example of the lesbian vampire, expressing romantic desires toward the protagonist. The novella notably never acknowledges homosexuality as an antagonistic trait, leaving it subtle and morally ambiguous. The story is often anthologised, and has been adapted many times in film and other media.

About the Author

quote:

Le Fanu worked in many genres but remains best known for his horror fiction. He was a meticulous craftsman and frequently reworked plots and ideas from his earlier writing in subsequent pieces. Many of his novels, for example, are expansions and refinements of earlier short stories. He specialised in tone and effect rather than "shock horror" and liked to leave important details unexplained and mysterious. He avoided overt supernatural effects: in most of his major works, the supernatural is strongly implied but a "natural" explanation is also possible. The demonic monkey in "Green Tea" could be a delusion of the story's protagonist, who is the only person to see it; in "The Familiar", Captain Barton's death seems to be supernatural but is not actually witnessed, and the ghostly owl may be a real bird. This technique influenced later horror artists, both in print and on film (see, for example, the film producer Val Lewton's principle of "indirect horror").[3] Though other writers have since chosen less subtle techniques, Le Fanu's finest tales, such as the vampire novella Carmilla and the short story "Schalken the Painter", remain some of the most powerful in the genre. He had enormous influence on one of the 20th century's most important ghost story writers, M. R. James, and although his work fell out of favour in the early part of the 20th century, towards the end of the century interest in his work increased and remains comparatively strong.[7]

Themes

Gothic fiction; Victorian women; Victorian lesbians; female power

References and Further Reading

quote:

As with Dracula, critics have looked for the sources used in the writing of Carmilla. One source used was from a dissertation on magic, vampires, and the apparitions of spirits written by Dom Augustin Calmet entitled Traité sur les apparitions des esprits et sur les vampires ou les revenants de Hongrie, de Moravie, &c. (1751). This is evidenced by a report analysed by Calmet, from a priest who learned information of a town being tormented by a vampiric entity three years earlier. Having travelled to the town to investigate and collecting information of the various inhabitants there, the priest learned that a vampire had tormented many of the inhabitants at night by coming from the nearby cemetery and would haunt many of the residents on their beds. An unknown Hungarian traveller came to the town during this period and helped the town by setting a trap at the cemetery and decapitating the vampire that resided there, curing the town of their torment. This story was retold by Le Fanu and adapted into the thirteenth chapter of Carmilla [19][20][21][22]

According to Matthew Gibson, the Reverend Sabine Baring-Gould's The Book of Were-wolves (1863) and his account of Elizabeth Báthory, Coleridge's Christabel (Part 1, 1797 and Part 2, 1800), and Captain Basil Hall's Schloss Hainfeld; or a Winter in Lower Styria (London and Edinburgh, 1836) are other sources for Le Fanu's Carmilla. Hall's account provides much of the Styrian background and, in particular, a model for both Carmilla and Laura in the figure of Jane Anne Cranstoun, Countess Purgstall.[23][24]

Hieronymous Alloy
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Morbid Hound

quote:

Audible Originals brings you a brand new audiobook adaptation of J. Sheridan Le Fanu’s classic gothic novella, Carmilla - starring Rose Leslie (Game of Thrones and Downton Abbey), David Tennant (Doctor Who and Broadchurch) and Phoebe Fox (Life in Squares and The Woman in Black 2: Angel of Death)

One of the very first vampire thrillers, this audio adaptation follows 18-year-old Laura as she recounts the story of her mysterious, intriguing and beautiful house guest Carmilla, who is stranded in the forest after a carriage accident and taken in by Laura’s widowed father. The girls develop a friendship which turns into a passionate meeting of souls. A relationship of vampire and prey, the story is told through Laura’s eyes as she is drawn further into Carmilla’s terrifying world of pleasure and pain.

A masterpiece of erotic Gothic horror, Carmilla encompasses mystery, suspense, forbidden lust, violence...and lots of blood....

Carmilla has been dramatised by Robin Brooks, an actor, dramatist and author who has been working as a playwright for over 25 years. Carmilla was directed by Fiona McAlpine of Allegra Productions for Audible Originals.

Key cast:

Carmilla -Phoebe Fox
Laura - Rose Leslie
Dr Hesselius - David Tennant
Father - James Wilby
©2015 Audible Ltd. (P)2015 Audible Ltd.

https://www.audible.com/pd/Carmilla-Audiobook/B015RJL1Z6

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Morbid Hound

AngusPodgorny posted:


I wouldn’t have guessed based on the writing that Carmilla pre-dated Dracula, because it’s much more readable. Although based on having also read Lair of the White Worm, maybe Bram Stoker just wasn’t a good writer.

My guess is that it's partly LeFanu being ahead of his time and partly that Dracula is written in a deliberately somewhat anachronistic style to ape older fiction -- the epistolary format, etc.. Dracula is 1897! Practically contemporary with Sherlock Holmes! But it's written to feel older.

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Morbid Hound

McSpankWich posted:

About half way done, good so far! I didn't realize there was a vampire story prior to Dracula so I'm excited to finish up

The generally accepted "first" published vampire story is

quote:

"The Vampyre" is a short work of prose fiction written in 1819 by John William Polidori taken from the story Lord Byron told as part of a contest among Polidori, Mary Shelley, Lord Byron, and Percy Shelley. The same contest produced the novel Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus.[1]

There's also

quote:

Varney the Vampire; or, the Feast of Blood is a Victorian-era serialized gothic horror story variously attributed to James Malcolm Rymer and Thomas Peckett Prest. It first appeared in 1845–1847 as a series of weekly cheap pamphlets of the kind then known as "penny dreadfuls". The author was paid by the typeset line,[1] so when the story was published in book form in 1847, it was of epic length: the original edition ran to 876 double-columned pages[2] and 232 chapters.[3] Altogether it totals nearly 667,000 words.[4]


Polidori's too short to be BOTM though and Varney's probably too long, while Carmilla is probably more interesting / complex than either, and LeFanu is a writer worth publicizing since he wrote a lot of other neat things also.

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Morbid Hound
Ok, I edited one of the first posts in the thread into a running list of suggestions for future Books of the Month.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=4013975&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post526717929

If anyone has suggestions for November or December, please post and suggest! It can be one of the ones in the suggestion post or any other book you'd like to read. If enough people go "that sounds good!" we'll pick something, or I'll pick off the list, or I'll do a poll.

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Morbid Hound

only because I went for shitpost wikipedia quoting and you went for effortposting excellence


Every time the Polidori / Byron / Shelley contest gets mentioned, I think of Minions, because







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Morbid Hound

AngusPodgorny posted:

Carmilla, which you could've told me was written this year and I'd almost believe. Especially with how blatantly lesbian the story is for 1871, and I'm normally pretty resistant toward projecting sexuality into works (like say, Frozen).

I got my re-read in over the weekend and this time I was thinking about the writing and the apparent age of the writing specifically while I read because of this post and others like it above.

It's an interesting puzzle because LeFanu's writing does feel strikingly modern. Which is weird, because there are plenty of other writers from around the same time period (Twain, Bierce, some Poe) who feel similarly so, and plenty of others (Dickens, other Poe) whose prose definitely feels "older." I'd be tempted to think it was American writers vs. British ones but LeFanu was Irish.

In this instance I *suspect* the reason it feels modern is that LeFanu was one of the first developers of the "scientific narrator for a horror story" technique that Lovecraft perfected and that we're used to seeing as the structure of a modern horror story. Every scooby doo plot has the "we though it was Spoooky, but it's all perfectly explicable" structure. LeFanu's dry, in-between, "well this could all be scientific, it seems like an infection that spreads, science just hasn't figured out why their names have to be anagrams" approach here at the time would've been a twist on pure magical horror but now reads like a twist on "scientific" horror -- rather than scooby doo unmasking the villain and finding out it's just old lady Mircalla in a mask, nope, definitely an actual vampire, that there's your coffin floating seven inches deep in blood, that's how you tell.

I think if a story like this were written today . . . I'd expect a lot more "scientific" analysis, microbes and whatnot, and I'd probably also expect the final twist that the girls would get a happy ending together as vampires .

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Morbid Hound

Ben Nevis posted:

Specifically spelling names backward. Alucard has quite a pop culture history of being a hidden vampire. Pratchett also commented on it "Do they really think that spelling their name backwards fools anyone?" There's enough out there that the portait was a dead giveaway. I'm curious as to whether it was for contemporary readers too.

look, you hold the name up in a mirror, nobody can see it, that's just science

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Morbid Hound
Looking over the list of prior suggested titles, my plan for next month's Book of the Month at this point is probably going to be The King Must Die by Mary Renault -- putting that out there early so people can reserve copies etc. or give me other suggestions if folks think that one's a bad pick.

We also need suggestions for December, I've run most of the solid Christmas-themed titles I'm aware of already.

edit: or maybe Voyage of the Space Beagle?

I want real bangers for the next few months to get us re-launched solidly

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Morbid Hound

AngusPodgorny posted:



As to Carmilla, I wonder if it was ultimately less successful than Dracula because of how passive everyone is. Dracula had Harker, Van Helsing, and various side characters that were at least trying to do things, so it was more of a traditional story. Carmilla had Laura, who never suspected anything, much less tried to do anything. And then in the last 10% of the book, other characters showed up and took care of everything while she watched.

This is a good question. I'm not sure. It might also have just been too racy for the time, or it's possible that it was too ahead of its time and the audience just didn't even clock what was going on at all ("oh, that's nice, they're going to be roommates.") It definitely lacks the Action Plot Tension of Dracula; the one time I listened to the Dracula audiobook in my car I got so riveted I forgot to watch the meter and we ran out of gas; that's a book that knows how to hold your attention. Carmilla by contrast is far more vibe than it is action.

Or maybe Carmilla was successful just later eclipsed. LeFanu *was* a big name at the time he was writing, he's just sortof forgotten today.

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Mercury Hat posted:

I'm about 2/3 of the way through and I'm loving this vampire con artist. "Oh please, my preternaturally beautiful daughter simply must stay with you while I attend a matter of the utmost secrecy and importance. No, don't ask anything about it. Yes, she must be allowed alone around your daughter. Farewell."

Look, it's hard for you city folk to understand just how . . . lonely . . . . a girl can get when she's all by herself in her chalet

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Morbid Hound
Also please suggest books for December. Right now I'm thinking _Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka_ by Gogol because it's free, set in Ukraine, and one of the short stories is Christmas-themed. I haven't read it yet so it would be bit of a shot in the dark tho.

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Morbid Hound

poisonpill posted:


For BotM, now that it's being remixed: do they have to be novels, or can we throw in suggestions for nonfiction, essays, plays?

It has to be a "book", that is, it has to be printable on pages between covers, and ideally it should be some combination of fun, interesting, and low-cost.

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Morbid Hound

added these to the suggestions post at the top of the thread. One thing I need to figure out is how to do polls since we're in a megathread model now. I may shift to using twitter polls.

Hrm.

Let's try this

quote:

The King Must Die is a 1958 bildungsroman and historical novel by Mary Renault that traces the early life and adventures of Theseus, a hero in Greek mythology. It is set in locations throughout Ancient Greece: Troizen, Corinth, Eleusis, Athens, Knossos in Crete, and Naxos. Renault wrote a sequel, The Bull from the Sea, in 1962.
. . .
The book was lauded by critics, with Renault's believable historical setting being particularly well-received.[1] Removing the fantastical elements of monsters and the appearances of gods, Renault constructed an archaeologically and anthropologically plausible story that might have developed into the myth. However, other critics have viewed Renault's depiction of ancient Crete as based on flawed theories and taking significant imaginative liberties.[2][3]


quote:

The Voyage of the Space Beagle (1950) is a science fiction novel by Canadian-American writer A. E. van Vogt. An example of space opera subgenre, the novel is a "fix-up" compilation of four previously published stories:

. . .

A sentient panther-like species named Coeurl (or Zorl in French editions), with psi capabilities and tentacles coming out of its shoulders, was adapted as the character Mughi (or Mugi) in the anime Dirty Pair. It also appears in several versions of the Final Fantasy video games, and as the Displacer beast in the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game. The Coeurl suck phosphorus ("id")[7] from their victims; the "salt vampire" in the Star Trek episode "The Man Trap" removes sodium.

. .. .
"The plot of these two portions of Space Beagle so closely matched the plot of Alien that van Vogt sued the production company for plagiarism. The suit was eventually settled out of court for $50,000.[2]".


quote:

Hell's Angels: The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs is a book written by Hunter S. Thompson, published in 1967 by Random House.[3] It was widely lauded for its up-close and uncompromising look at the Hells Angels motorcycle club, during a time when the gang was highly feared and accused of numerous criminal activities. The New York Times described Thompson's portrayal as "a world most of us would never dare encounter."[4][5]

It was Thompson's first published book and his first attempt at a nonfiction novel.

quote:

Snow Country (雪国, Yukiguni, IPA: [jɯkiꜜɡɯɲi]) is a novel by the Japanese author Yasunari Kawabata. The novel is considered a classic work of Japanese literature[1] and was among the three novels the Nobel Committee cited in 1968, when Kawabata was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature.[2]


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poisonpill posted:

It’s really really obvious but a lot of le Fanu’s material is direct or indirect allusion to the absentee landlords of Ireland. It’s probably less interesting to modern audiences than the lesbian vampire reading, but there’s a lot in Carmilla about the English owners of the land sucking it dry and dead, and giving nothing back to the people (who are being literally fed on).

Anyway, good voting options.

Not obvious at all, I wasn't thinking of that angle at all and should have -- I noticed it was weird that they were making the narrator so specifically English but figured that was just him writing for his audience.

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McSpankWich posted:

I'm new to this SA book club so I don't know what you've done in the past, or what the goal is for the future, but are more classic novels like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Invisible Man (HG Wells), War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, The Red Badge of Courage, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1984, Gulliver's Travels what we aim for or just more modern good reads that people have enjoyed? Or does it not matter All the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr was good, do we do like cheesy adventure novels like Ted Bell or Clive Cussler? Michael Crichton has some good stuff that isn't Jurassic Park, etc

There's a list of prior picks in the first post of the thread. The short answer is "yes." I try to mix it up a bit. The main consideration is more "are people going to participate for this book?" more than anything else. The draw of classics isn't so much that they're classics, it's that pre-1930 titles are out of copyright and free downloads so more people are willing to participate. More modern titles are good too but if they're too popular then all the copies are checked out at the libraries and fewer people can get their hands on a copy, or worse yet, everyone's already read it anyway (which is why we'd never pick, say, Tolkien).

The ideal modern book is something like BEAR by Marian Engel or All Creatures Great and Small by James Herriott ,; the ideal older title is something like Carmilla or Three Men in a Boat (To say nothing of the Dog!) by Jerome K. Jerome. Those may seem like disparate entries but they're all well-written, widely available, and with a powerful "hook" so that people will want to read them and post about them after reading.

Roughly, what I think I'm going to try for the next year is alternating free-download books with newer titles, each every other month.

Which brings me to a question about the poll candidates --

Right now "Snow Country" is ahead in the poll -- it's a relatively modern title. Are people picking it because they've read it already and want to talk about it, or because they want to read it, or because they think other people should read it?

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xcheopis posted:

I've previously suggested Max Beerbohm's A Christmas Garland but never heard back.

I'll make sure it's in the December poll.

https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1582866365878132736?s=20&t=GNquRlr12MI6SRG9sPLxwg

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AngusPodgorny posted:

I started reading Voyage of the Space Beagle even though it had no chance of winning because I was in the mood to read something light. So far it's been space horror from the perspective of the alien, and by some strange serendipity it lines up with my current non-fiction book - An Immense World by Ed Yong, where I'm reading about the sensory systems of animals like electric eels.

It's a really neat book and massively influential -- literally the sourcebook for Alien, Star Trek, and the AD&D Displacer Beast. And also, sortof, scientology.


Van Vogt is a just in a really weird place in the history of SF, halfway between Philip K Dick and L. Ron Hubbard. Both brilliant and awful.

Great article on him here: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/fix-up-artist-the-chaotic-sf-of-a-e-van-vogt/

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Snow Country won the poll, so that will be what we roll over to in November. Once I have a few more December ideas I'll get that poll up also.

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Keetron posted:

Odd, I thought it was going to be "The King Must Die" but I am cool with Snow Country. .

Yeah that was what I'd planned but it's clear from the poll that the interest isn't there right now. I'll try re pitching it at some point in the future probably.

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Ok! We are officially in Snow Country!



quote:

Snow Country is a stark tale of a love affair between a Tokyo dilettante and a provincial geisha that takes place in the remote hot spring (onsen) town of Yuzawa.[1] (Kawabata did not mention the name of the town in his novel.)


book available here:

https://www.amazon.com/Country-Vintage-International-Yasunari-Kawabata-ebook/dp/B00B0LP3U0/

The author:




quote:

Kawabata was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature on 16 October 1968, the first Japanese person to receive such a distinction.[10] In awarding the prize "for his narrative mastery, which with great sensibility expresses the essence of the Japanese mind", the Nobel Committee cited three of his novels, Snow Country, Thousand Cranes, and The Old Capital.[11]

Kawabata's Nobel Lecture was titled "Japan, The Beautiful and Myself" (美しい日本の私―その序説). Zen Buddhism was a key focal point of the speech; much was devoted to practitioners and the general practices of Zen Buddhism and how it differed from other types of Buddhism. He presented a severe picture of Zen Buddhism, where disciples can enter salvation only through their efforts, where they are isolated for several hours at a time, and how from this isolation there can come beauty. He noted that Zen practices focus on simplicity and it is this simplicity that proves to be the beauty. "The heart of the ink painting is in space, abbreviation, what is left undrawn." From painting he moved on to talk about ikebana and bonsai as art forms that emphasize the elegance and beauty that arises from the simplicity. "The Japanese garden, too, of course symbolizes the vastness of nature."[12]

In addition to the numerous mentions of Zen and nature, one topic that was briefly mentioned in Kawabata's lecture was that of suicide. Kawabata reminisced of other famous Japanese authors who committed suicide, in particular Ryūnosuke Akutagawa. He contradicted the custom of suicide as being a form of enlightenment, mentioning the priest Ikkyū, who also thought of suicide twice. He quoted Ikkyū, "Among those who give thoughts to things, is there one who does not think of suicide?"[13] There was much speculation about this quote being a clue to Kawabata's suicide in 1972, a year and a half after Mishima had committed suicide.[citation needed]

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Considerations so far for the December book:

Max Beerbohm's A Christmas Garland

Village Evenings Near Dikanka by Nikolai Gogol (containing the short story "Christmas Eve")(Ukrainian, literary, free download)

Five Decembers by James Kestrel (2022 Edgar Award winner)

If On A Winter's Night a Traveler by Calvino (winter! littrachaw!)

I'll try to get a poll up soon

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Sometimes a book is just a vibe.

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https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1592142754708078593?s=20&t=IIuIUHgWIjHAknV4mtGw_g

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Just a few hours left to vote for next month!

https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1592142754708078593?s=20&t=PtveD_XobbalqT9Lg67v8Q

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Oh and yes, If On a Winter's Night a Traveler will be the Dec 2022 botm.

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suggestions for new year, new book?

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poisonpill posted:

I’m kind of partial to a few months of second chances. Books that narrowly missed winning their votes from the last few years

The ones I'm strongly considering right now are The King Must Die (y'all will love it! I promise!) and/or "All Tomorrows" by C. M. Kosemen (mostly on the strength of various youtube videos about it, plus it seems new yearsy).

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I'm going to get a poll up for next month ASAP.

I'll pull a few candidates from prior months but does anything on this list look like it might grab you?

https://bookriot.com/public-domain-books-2023/

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McSpankWich posted:

I've always meant to read Agatha Christie but never actually got around to it. So I'd do that. None of the books on that list I wouldn't read though so I'm down for whatever.


If we do Christie I'd probably go with the first Poirot over the fourth, just so people can start at the beginning (also "Big Four" is kindof a weaker Poirot imho). And I wouldn't do that either because we already have an active Poirot thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4009998

Maybe Oil! or _Death Comes for the Archbishop_ is a great title

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https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1607560724762578944?s=20&t=L8bT7jm5JgcSSs5QLWsUoA


The King Must Die is one of my favorite books -- a great read, fun, knowledgeable, interesting, just a masterpiece

All Tomorrows looks really interesting

Steppenwolf is a classic and free out of copyright newly this year, also apparently it has sexy content

Oil! is by Upton Sinclair and apparently the basis for There Will Be Blood

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Discendo Vox posted:

Yeah we may want a different platform than twitter.

Oh, definitely, but I need a way to present a poll that can also embed and display in a forums thread, and that means either

1) a new thread each time which loses engagement due to the way everyone browses SA bookmarked now, or

2) tweets

:shrug:

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Yeah, King and All Tomorrows were chosen to be lighter / more entertaining fare for a "break". One problem with the polling is sometimes it picks books everyone means to read but not books everyone actually reads.

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Happy New Year all!


Looks like the poll came in a tie, but several people pointed out that All Tomorrows is getting an expanded release soon, so we'll put that off for now and our Book of the Month for January 2023 is



Oil! by Upton Sinclair.

quote:

The book is loosely based on the life of Edward L. Doheny (and the company he co-founded, Pan American Petroleum & Transport Company, the California assets of which became Pan American Western Petroleum Company), and also the strategic alliance Union-Independent Producers Agency, a consortium created in 1910 to bring oil via pipeline from Kern County to the Pacific Coast facilities of Union Oil Company at Port Harford (now called Port San Luis just west of Avila Beach).

Numerous parallels exist between the opening setting of the novel, Beach City, and the city of Huntington Beach. Huntington Beach was originally called "Pacific City", for which Beach City is a play off of both names. The novel states that the area had street names like "Telegraph" and "Beach City Blvd". Telegraph Road would be the last street crossed before getting off the highway onto Beach Blvd in the town of Buena Park to travel south to Huntington Beach. James Arnold Ross and Bunny stay in a hotel at the intersection of Beach City Blvd and Coast Drive, similar to Beach Blvd and what would later develop into Pacific Coast Highway, where a hotel and water resort once resided in the early 1900s. In the novel, Beach City is covered in beet and cabbage fields. Huntington Beach historically was covered in beet and celery fields. In the novel, the primary oil field found is on "Prospect Hill". The first confirmed oil wells in Huntington Beach were located on a series of bluffs.

The character of Eli Watkins is loosely based on the famous evangelist Aimee McPherson.[1]


Oil! was banned in Boston[2] for its motel sex scene. Sinclair's publisher printed 150 copies of a "fig-leaf edition" with the offending nine pages blacked out. Sinclair protested the banning and hoped to bring an obscenity case to trial. He did not do so, but the controversy helped make the book a bestseller.[3]



quote:

Upton Beall Sinclair Jr. (September 20, 1878 – November 25, 1968) was an American writer, muckraker, political activist and the 1934 Democratic Party nominee for governor of California who wrote nearly 100 books and other works in several genres. Sinclair's work was well known and popular in the first half of the 20th century, and he won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1943.

In 1906, Sinclair acquired particular fame for his classic muck-raking novel, The Jungle, which exposed labor and sanitary conditions in the U.S. meatpacking industry, causing a public uproar that contributed in part to the passage a few months later of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act.[1] In 1919, he published The Brass Check, a muck-raking exposé of American journalism that publicized the issue of yellow journalism and the limitations of the "free press" in the United States. Four years after publication of The Brass Check, the first code of ethics for journalists was created.[2] Time magazine called him "a man with every gift except humor and silence".[3] He is also well remembered for the quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."[4] He used this line in speeches and the book about his campaign for governor as a way to explain why the editors and publishers of the major newspapers in California would not treat seriously his proposals for old age pensions and other progressive reforms.[4]




The book is available for download here: https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?pid=20210354

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I got started reading Oil! during my lunch break today.

I really liked first few pages at least. Seeing a potentially quite sketchy dude get introduced through the eyes of an idolatrous son is a really good way of introducing a character. It reminds me of Zelazny's quote about how a dog is an unusual narrator because the dog is going to uncritically support whatever the dog's master does; the best kind of unreliable narrator because totally uncritical.

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I really appreciate the phrase "a free lunch; consisting of 'hot dog' sandwiches" with "hot dog" in quotes

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For next month, we'll be doing interactive fiction, then we'll do Steppenwolf in March.

Here's the options for February:

Help us choose:

Counterfeit Monkey by Emily Short: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=aearuuxv83plclpl

quote:

Anglophone Atlantis has been an independent nation since an April day in 1822, when a well-aimed shot from their depluralizing cannon reduced the British colonizing fleet to one ship.

Since then, Atlantis has been the world's greatest center for linguistic manipulation, designing letter inserters, word synthesizers, the diminutive affixer, and a host of other tools for converting one thing to another. Inventors worldwide pay heavily for that technology, which is where a smuggler and industrial espionage agent such as yourself can really clean up.

Unfortunately, the Bureau of Orthography has taken a serious interest in your activities lately. Your face has been recorded and your cover is blown.

Your remaining assets: about eight more hours of a national holiday that's spreading the police thin; the most inconvenient drat disguise you've ever worn in your life; and one full-alphabet letter remover.

Good luck getting off the island.


Trinity by Brian Moriarty: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=j18kjz80hxjtyayw

quote:

You're neither an adventurer nor a professional thrill-seeker. You're simply an American tourist in London, enjoying a relaxing stroll through the famous Kensington Gardens. When World War III starts and the city is vaporized moments after the story begins, you have no hope of survival.

Unless you enter another time, another place, another dimension.

Escaping the destruction of London is not the end of your problems, but rather the beginning of new, more bizarre riddles. You'll find yourself in an exotic world teeming with giant fly traps, strange creatures, and other inconveniences. Time and space will behave with their own intricate and mischievous logic. You'll visit fantastic places and acquire curious objects as you seek to discover the logic behind your newfound universe.

And if you can figure out the patter of events, you'll wind up in the New Mexico desert, minutes before the culmination of the greatest scientific experiment of all time: the world's first atomic explosion, code-named Trinity.


Worlds Apart by Suzanne Britton: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=1aliwzro4e48mdlt


quote:

For over 20 years, I dreamed about an alternate universe I called the Higher World. For three of those years, I poured almost all of my creative energy into a novel-length story set in that universe. Worlds Apart is the result. But it is not a novel in the traditional sense of the word. It is an interactive tale in which you play the leading part, solving problems and learning about yourself along the way.


Horse Master by Tom McHenry: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=ogkcvv9l1q0aatpd

quote:

HORSE MASTER The Game of Horse Mastery is a horse management sim crossed with body horror. Do you have what it takes to raise a massive, muscular, dripping mega-horse in a dark, dystopian future? Are you a Furioso-Hellfist kind of person, or do you lean towards Carolina Coffinbreath?

HORSE MASTER The Game of Horse Mastery is 100 percent for real. This is no joke. This is ultimate mastery and it has a dexobrimadine fist down your throat, wrapped around your heart, squeezing out every drop of weakness until nothing remains but smoking shards of raw saddle-wisdom. Do you know how many horses die in the larval stage? That ain’t masterful, that’s poo poo.



https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1618035524375285760?s=20&t=423qjSX4Z2TAdKt03jalPQ

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