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the goon whos scamming me isnt showing enough paperwork and im mad as hell about it!!
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Plinkey posted:yes, it is Plinkey, given the very real concerns raised about your fund which you do not seem to want to address, you should not come in here and lecture anyone about how to do things. I'd go so far as to say that unless the organizers of whatever this might end up being specifically request your guidance, this isn't a thread you should be posting in. If you decide to ignore this advice and post here anyway, you should do so with respect and courtesy, which you have not shown so far.
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Plinkey posted:yeah, that's the thing, i dont keep them, other then the emails to the actually request@goon.fund there's no committee (which would know the goons by account and email address, we've seen how good that goes) you are using that money for yourself and dont want it to end now so you are trying to sabotage this one lol
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Oct 17, 2022 19:29
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Shiroc posted:People just spent a weekend screaming that plinkey is a degenerate gambling addict who can't be trusted and that people saying they got helped were obviously alts or idiots. Everyone needs to chill the gently caress out if they actually want anything to succeed instead of hoping to stoke more drama. plinkey is the one stroking drama by trying to say this new transparent fund will put people at risk and his is the superior his constant claim when questioned was "go do it better then" and his backers in QCS said the exact same thing. First attempt to do that is now being undermined by him with straight up scare tactics.
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Azathoth posted:Plinkey, given the very real concerns raised about your fund which you do not seem to want to address, you should not come in here and lecture anyone about how to do things. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:you are using that money for yourself and dont want it to end now so you are trying to sabotage this one lol lol
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Neurolimal posted:If Plinkey would like to make suggestions or provide his experience in managing the current mutual aid fund, that would be appreciated. Currently he seems pretty combative, which is unfortunate..
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Oct 17, 2022 19:30
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Calibanibal posted:really putting the mean in means testing
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Oct 17, 2022 19:31
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pentyne posted:plinkey is the one stroking drama by trying to say this new transparent fund will put people at risk the more people who have access to the information the more chances someone might leak info. It’s something that the committee of people in charge of the fund will need to take into account.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:31
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Plinkey posted:yeah, that's the thing, i dont keep them, other then the emails to the actually request@goon.fund there's no committee (which would know the goons by account and email address, we've seen how good that goes) [GOON PROJECT]: Helping Plinkey keep his kneecaps safe from casino thugs (venmo inside) In a more serious note, good luck to the OP and anyone else taking the charity project seriously.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:32
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Shiroc posted:People just spent a weekend screaming that plinkey is a degenerate gambling addict who can't be trusted and that people saying they got helped were obviously alts or idiots. Everyone needs to chill the gently caress out if they actually want anything to succeed instead of hoping to stoke more drama. it's literally a group of people from a pyf drama thread causing this. drama is all they want
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Oct 17, 2022 19:33
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plinkey you are not doing yourself any favors here and it all could be fixed by keeping simple track of the money and letting more than one person see it. this could all go away very easily
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Oct 17, 2022 19:33
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World Famous W posted:hmm, i wonder what in the last couple of days could lead to that? yeah, it's a real mystery pentyne posted:plinkey is the one stroking drama by trying to say this new transparent fund will put people at risk and his is the superior I dunno, you seem to be stroking lots of drama about this whole situation
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Shiroc posted:People just spent a weekend screaming that plinkey is a degenerate gambling addict who can't be trusted and that people saying they got helped were obviously alts or idiots. Everyone needs to chill the gently caress out if they actually want anything to succeed instead of hoping to stoke more drama. Honestly, I don't believe when people say they're trying to help make Plinkey's fund better. They see something flawed and they gleefully take advantage of the situation. If anyone actually cared, they'd be trying to help the people who depend on the fund right now. That's why I want to see this actually take off so that people still have access to a generalized, open fund that isn't buried somewhere.
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I feel that this tweet is relevant https://twitter.com/dril/status/1279814327776624640?s=20&t=drqrR-dA8OQfiG9eEnGHew
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Oct 17, 2022 19:33
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Folks, I'm going to ask very politely for people to not discuss Plinkey's fund in here. This looks to be a very nice thing which I hope gets off the ground and that is going to be harder if the folks looking to do that are having to wade through things unrelated to it.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:34
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Azathoth posted:Plinkey, given the very real concerns raised about your fund which you do not seem to want to address, you should not come in here and lecture anyone about how to do things. i talked to Jeff, next month I'll post a public spreadsheet
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Oct 17, 2022 19:35
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And to be clear, that includes people defending the fund as well. If someone wants to comment on the fund as it relates to setting up this fund, that is of course okay but please do not litigate any aspect of Plinkey's fund here.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:36
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Plinkey posted:i talked to Jeff, next month I'll post a public spreadsheet As I just said, this is not the place to discuss your fund in any way. If you want to update everyone on it, I encourage you to do so in the thread for your fund.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:36
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Azathoth posted:Folks, I'm going to ask very politely for people to not discuss Plinkey's fund in here. This looks to be a very nice thing which I hope gets off the ground and that is going to be harder if the folks looking to do that are having to wade through things unrelated to it. it wont, none of these posters understand cspam and the last 8 years
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Oct 17, 2022 19:38
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Tsietisin posted:For the UK find, we only ask for a reason to check that out is within the purposes of the funds. An example given on the other thread was when we declined funds to someone who requested we send money to another charity. I’m ignoring all the plinkey stuff in the middle to say paragraph #2 brought a smile to my face 
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Oct 17, 2022 19:39
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I think it should probably be alright to discuss plinkeys fund with regards to anything that could make this new idea better or more appropriate. if people can do that without being aggro it's definitely important to use existing things as a frame of reference when discussing new things
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Oct 17, 2022 19:40
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Plinkey posted:it wont, none of these posters understand cspam and the last 8 years I am going to be as clear as I can about this. If you post again in this thread for the next week, you're gonna get a 24 hour probe for every post you make. If that doesn't work, I will step up to longer probes. You need to leave this thread immediately.
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I dont see a reason why usernames are even needed. There should be a committe of 5, and all should have access to the email list, but whoever checks it first will try to anonymous the request to the rest of the commitee so as to make sure those details are not presented. Reasoning is entirely optional on the part of the asker, it's not mandatory - it would only be used if there isn't enough money for the month, and even then I'd rather a request for funds be put out than having to comb through sob stories to determine which goon is neediest. Disbursement of funds is something I'm not set on as all have upsides and downsides. I think so long as two committee members sign off on a disbursement I'm good with it. One who requests and one who approves - that way it can be two people's heads who are complicit and accountable for money dispursed. It also prevents one person from embezzling. There is the issue of two people being fuckers, could take until month review for that to be seen. really queer Christmas has issued a correction as of 19:44 on Oct 17, 2022 |
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speng31b posted:I think it should probably be alright to discuss plinkeys fund with regards to anything that could make this new idea better or more appropriate. if people can do that without being aggro it's definitely important to use existing things as a frame of reference when discussing new things To be clear, this is specifically ok.
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Plinkey posted:i talked to Jeff, next month I'll post a public spreadsheet good news for the new fund: its apparently possible to write this stuff down without it being doxxing.
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really queer Christmas posted:I dont see a reason why usernames are even needed. There should be a committe of 5, and all should have access to the email request, but whoever checks it first will try to anonymous the request to the rest of the commitee so as to make sure those details are not presented. I like this plan. I think the anonymizing system is a technical aspect that an elected committee of five can figure out.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:44
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Azathoth posted:I am going to be as clear as I can about this. If you post again in this thread for the next week, you're gonna get a 24 hour probe for every post you make. If that doesn't work, I will step up to longer probes. You need to leave this thread immediately. You seem agitated because you are posting fast and repeating phrasing in those posts so I would like to point out (if you are angry about something) that you are not doing a particularly good job of managing the temperature on this subject. If there is some behind the scenes evidence of impropriety from Plinkey then admins should come out and say it, if not they should probably do a better job about managing the vitriol towards the currently only existing fund for goons in need before allowing it/the administrator to be pilloried Because what's going to happen is people are going to needle him until he melts down and then the fund goes away and nothing will ever replace it. You know that's how it goes
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This is being done and has been done for at least 3 years by the UKMT crew and they've managed to send out 15k pounds to people in need. There is a known and working process. Those UKMT people are the main ones in position to give substantive, positive criticism about getting this set up for anything short of the weirdo differences between UK and US banking laws.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Because what's going to happen is people are going to needle him until he melts down and then the fund goes away and nothing will ever replace it. You know that's how it goes The fact that this is remotely possible should give everyone defending that dude and his system a hell of a lot of pause.
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Herpes. posted:The fact that this is remotely possible should give everyone defending that dude and his system a hell of a lot of pause. It's not a good thing but it is also the most leftist thing in the history of leftism to immolate something that helps people while a committee is in the process of drafting up its replacement that should be finished once the charter is ratified in the next 2-4 years pending certain rewording of the bylaws and of course once the Delaware magistrate approves the certification we can begin disbursing funds so those starving goons will just need to be patient
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op is a cool and good idea and I am looking forward to donating when it gets off the ground
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really queer Christmas posted:I dont see a reason why usernames are even needed. There should be a committe of 5, and all should have access to the email list, but whoever checks it first will try to anonymous the request to the rest of the commitee so as to make sure those details are not presented. i think the idea of the 2 deep sign off is ok as long as it doesn't stand in the way of someone who needs cash fast in a pinch. people should be able to say "hey this is kind of an emergency" and get quick sign off. i also think anonymity should remain a highest principle. no records should be kept of anything personally identifiable, ever. IMO a single point of contact should always field the ingress for new requests and that can rotate if needed, but personal details of requesters (including forums usernames, emails, or anything else) should never be available to a committee. basically i think plinkeys setup wasn't so far off, it needs accountability added on overall cash flow, not the kind that can be weaponized against people asking for help
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:You seem agitated because you are posting fast and repeating phrasing in those posts so I would like to point out (if you are angry about something) that you are not doing a particularly good job of managing the temperature on this subject. I appreciate the thoughts, I'm not angry I'm just trying to speak as plainly as possible to Plinkey, who is both doing himself no favors with his posting here and also derailing this thread. He apparently couldn't see that by my posts I meant him, as he specifically came back to argue after I thought I'd made it clear that it wasn't appropriate to do it here.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:It's not a good thing but it is also the most leftist thing in the history of leftism to immolate something that helps people while a committee is in the process of drafting up its replacement that should be finished once the charter is ratified in the next 2-4 years pending certain rewording of the bylaws and of course once the Delaware magistrate approves the certification we can begin disbursing funds so those starving goons will just need to be patient This this this. This is exactly what I'm worried about with the whole thing.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:It's not a good thing but it is also the most leftist thing in the history of leftism to immolate something that helps people while a committee is in the process of drafting up its replacement that should be finished once the charter is ratified in the next 2-4 years pending certain rewording of the bylaws and of course once the Delaware magistrate approves the certification we can begin disbursing funds so those starving goons will just need to be patient better things aren't possible, got it
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Azathoth posted:I appreciate the thoughts, I'm not angry I'm just trying to speak as plainly as possible to Plinkey, who is both doing himself no favors with his posting here and also derailing this thread. He apparently couldn't see that by my posts I meant him, as he specifically came back to argue after I thought I'd made it clear that it wasn't appropriate to do it here. That's fair - I just think it's very important to emphasize there is no implication of wrongdoing for the existing fund. It exists, we know it has tangibly helped a lot of people when they needed it. This new fund's intent is to hopefully address perceived issues with oversight - and that's fine, oversight is important. A new fund is a wonderful project and I hope it succeeds and grows. What we do not want to happen as a community is for the old structure to be destroyed through insinuation since it is still the only extent support structure for some goons in need. The goal of any new project should not be dismantling the existing structure before something new is ready to take its place. That is only going to hurt people.
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speng31b posted:i think the idea of the 2 deep sign off is ok as long as it doesn't stand in the way of someone who needs cash fast in a pinch. people should be able to say "hey this is kind of an emergency" and get quick sign off. Role 1: intake secretary/anonymizer (non-decision-maker; some clever tech guy could probably figure out how to automate this eventually) Role 2: person whose name is on all the Legal poo poo because the US government doesn't like the explanation of "well it's like a decentralized non-hierarchical structure"; this person probably has access to the accounts with money Role 3-X (7?): people who approve requests Thoughts? This is pretty similar to the UKMT model, with one added person to anonymize.
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pentyne posted:better things aren't possible, got it that's not at all what he said, he said you should probably avoid trolling plinkey into shutting down his fund before yours is up
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pentyne posted:extremely loving gross that tons of people defended plinkey with "oh, why don't you start your own fund them hmm? not so easy now is it" and within 2 pages of just that happening plinkey is attacking them trying to discredit this rival fund by accusing them of doxxing vulnerable people Folks, I'll give everyone a bit of time to catch up before I start but this isn't Plinkey's thread and if folks don't stop discussing Plinkey's fund here, I'll start dropping 6ers. There's a whole other thread just for Plinkey where you can ask him reasonable questions, this is not the place.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The goal of any new project should not be dismantling the existing structure before something new is ready to take its place. That is only going to hurt people. I agree!
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