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Okay, I'm sorry if I'm just bad at TV, but I missed the part where they explain why they're bothering to go through all the trouble of contacting people from the past to pilot the robots.
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Oct 24, 2022 15:50
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Phenotype posted:Okay, I'm sorry if I'm just bad at TV, but I missed the part where they explain why they're bothering to go through all the trouble of contacting people from the past to pilot the robots. they have not explained it yet, really, only Lev said something about it cryptically but loving around with stubs is essentially just a hobby for the future rich In the book Flynne stumbles upon a murder her first time in future london (which isn't while driving a Peri) and that's why she's involved as she witnessed something no one else did
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Oct 24, 2022 15:53
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to dig too deep into that would spoil some stuff that the viewer learns about around the same time as Flynne and co do.
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Oct 24, 2022 15:58
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uber_stoat posted:to dig too deep into that would spoil some stuff that the viewer learns about around the same time as Flynne and co do. i have a feeling like we are getting some very exposition-heavy episodes for the next 2 or 3, ramping up to a big dollar finale. show is good i wonder if they will take the time to detour in to things like the all-peripheral district of the city, etc. flynne's kidnapping will be an episode, the finale i imagine to be some mix of future london showdown/assault on the print shop, they'll need an episode to get lowbeer over that really only leaves 3 episodes to do anything else with boar guy fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Oct 24, 2022 16:04
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How many episodes in this series run? Presumably it's just the full novel and not split into multiple seasons like American Gods.
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Oct 24, 2022 16:08
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keep punching joe posted:How many episodes in this series run? Presumably it's just the full novel and not split into multiple seasons like American Gods. 8
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Oct 24, 2022 16:11
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uber_stoat posted:Lowbeer's in the trailer if you want a preview. this is the Season 1: This Season extra on the prime site now that i checked.
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Oct 24, 2022 16:16
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boar guy posted:they have not explained it yet, really, only Lev said something about it cryptically but loving around with stubs is essentially just a hobby for the future rich Oh wow, I thought I was just being dumb or distracted. That seems like kind of an important thing to include early, no? I felt like I was missing something the whole second episode. It seems like an enormous complication to include time travel just to have someone to pilot your robots.
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Oct 24, 2022 17:19
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Phenotype posted:Oh wow, I thought I was just being dumb or distracted. That seems like kind of an important thing to include early, no? I felt like I was missing something the whole second episode. It seems like an enormous complication to include time travel just to have someone to pilot your robots. a) it's not time travel  b) it'll make sense later. lots of WG's stuff is like that. it's really interesting to watch the show with people who haven't read the books and see what they pick up on or don't, what subtext is left out, etc.
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Oct 24, 2022 17:23
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Regardless of what Wilf says, it's time travel.  Phenotype posted:Okay, I'm sorry if I'm just bad at TV, but I missed the part where they explain why they're bothering to go through all the trouble of contacting people from the past to pilot the robots. The answer is ennui. The series of calamities and catastrophes that left the world severely polluted and underpopulated worked out pretty well for those lucky enough to survive and their descendants, sorta like how the black plague was ultimately an economic boon for its survivors. They live in a giant graveyard, but they have fairly easy and pleasant lives. That's why they call it the "Jackpot".
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Oct 24, 2022 18:25
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i hope they give Wilf some room to breathe, his character is a lot more interesting/sympathetic in the book
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Oct 24, 2022 18:39
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boar guy posted:i hope they give Wilf some room to breathe, his character is a lot more interesting/sympathetic in the book Lev making reference to his capacity for violence and his change of occupation from publicist to fixer seems to indicate they have made significant changes to his character from the book, for better or worse.
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RichterIX posted:Lev making reference to his capacity for violence and his change of occupation from publicist to fixer seems to indicate they have made significant changes to his character from the book, for better or worse. definitely. i also found his raging alcoholism in the book very endearing
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boar guy posted:definitely. i also found his raging alcoholism in the book very endearing yeah, i was sort of surprised they left that out.
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uber_stoat posted:yeah, i was sort of surprised they left that out. i can think of at least one or two characters that it feels like they're going to have to leave out completely
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Oct 24, 2022 19:00
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boar guy posted:i can think of at least one or two characters that it feels like they're going to have to leave out completely i hope they aren't leaving out the Patchers but i could totally understand if they did
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Oct 24, 2022 20:37
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boar guy posted:they have not explained it yet, really, only Lev said something about it cryptically but loving around with stubs is essentially just a hobby for the future rich That's what Zubov and 'continua enthusiasts' do with it, but it's also implied that stubs are used as a source of basically free labour - if it's work that can be done over the server, then you can pay people in a stub with money that comes from their stub also and the cost to future people is the next thing to zero. It's referred to as 'third worlding the past' and to me it's absolutely what a bunch of corporations would do with access to the past if they could.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:50
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the exchange between Flynne and Leb about who is "real" is important. most of the future people don't really see those in the stubs as real people with real feelings and needs, you can do whatever you want with them. Aelita and friends are exceptions. rich people in our time don't see their lessers as real either. insert Gibson quote here.
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Oct 24, 2022 22:00
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Really enjoying this so far, great casting.
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evenworse username posted:That's what Zubov and 'continua enthusiasts' do with it, but it's also implied that stubs are used as a source of basically free labour - if it's work that can be done over the server, then you can pay people in a stub with money that comes from their stub also and the cost to future people is the next thing to zero. It's referred to as 'third worlding the past' and to me it's absolutely what a bunch of corporations would do with access to the past if they could. they also do things like 'use one stub to develop a weapon that can be used in another stub.' the non/unpersoning of the other continuua by most of the non Lev/Lowbeer groups is a key concept precision posted:i hope they aren't leaving out the Patchers but i could totally understand if they did i was looking forward to watching Wilf trying to unlock that automatic bar and Lev's crazy rear end RV. still time for that i suppose, and we're pretty much guaranteed a squidsuit boar guy fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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uber_stoat posted:the exchange between Flynne and Leb about who is "real" is important. most of the future people don't really see those in the stubs as real people with real feelings and needs, you can do whatever you want with them. Aelita and friends are exceptions. rich people in our time don't see their lessers as real either. insert Gibson quote here. Note that Aelita calls Flynne/Burton a "polt" as in "poltergeist". Even the people who are sympathetic towards them think of them as sort of ghosts of dead people.
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book spoilers is it the peripheral or agency where two future dudes are explicitly having a competition to see who can make the biggest hellworld with the fewest interferences possible?
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Eau de MacGowan posted:book spoilers the latter, which I need to reread because I think it may have sucked? boar guy fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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Oct 26, 2022 02:05
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boar guy posted:the latter, which I need to reread because I think it may have sucked? it wasn't as good as the first one for sure. still want to see how it all ends though.
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uber_stoat posted:it wasn't as good as the first one for sure. still want to see how it all ends though. yeah I don't think he'd have started the trilogy without something in mind to tie it all up at the end
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boar guy posted:the latter, which I need to reread because I think it may have sucked? I wish he hadn't hit the brakes and done a big rewrite of Agency, which he apparently did when Trump was elected, and made the whole book way more topical than I would like. It was still entertaining though. Also, I'm afraid Jackpot may be way too topical at the rate of things now.
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This show is weird to me. I religiously read William Gibson up through zero history, even burning chrome, but just kind of stopped when life/work took me overseas in 2014 and never took him back up. I guess was just in time to miss this.
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I really like burning chrome. would love to see that story where they recover infinity travellers while kitted out with all kinds of drugs brought to the screen
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Agency didn't suck but it was boring. It seemed even worse because The Peripheral was the best thing he had written in a decade
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I really liked Pattern Recognition and Zero History (didn't care for spook country). Always surprised those never got picked up by TV/Film offers considering how big a deal Girl With the Dragon Tattoo was at the time.
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precision posted:Agency didn't suck but it was boring. It seemed even worse because The Peripheral was the best thing he had written in a decade Pattern Recognition was great too and I never finished Spook Country. Maybe middle books in a trilogy just aren't Gibson's thing? Edit: correcting myself - Idoru was great. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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i think i would rank his stuff as such, from best to worst mona lisa overdrive - the GOAT all tomorrow's parties - the other GOAT the peripheral idoru pattern recognition neuromancer zero history virtual light count zero spook country agency none of them are bad, but like spook country is a real snoozer
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boar guy posted:yeah I don't think he'd have started the trilogy without something in mind to tie it all up at the end He didn't start it as a trilogy. Agency wasn't originally intended as a sequel to The Peripheral. It became one when he did the big rewrite after Trump got elected. That said, I am very excited to see what he does with Eunice and the server since she can interact with it in ways no other character can. precision posted:none of them are bad, but like spook country is a real snoozer I enjoyed Zero History and Spook Country more when I reread them this summer, but I still think that they, along with Agency, are too choppy compared to his other stuff. Totally agree that All Tomorrow's Parties is among his best work. It's probably my favorite of his novels. I would kill for a Bridge trilogy adaptation.
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PeterWeller posted:He didn't start it as a trilogy. Agency wasn't originally intended as a sequel to The Peripheral. It became one when he did the big rewrite after Trump got elected. it was very weird opening Kindle and seeing the first two books referred to as part of the Jackpot trilogy, especially given how disconnected book 2 is from book 1. looking forward to a CGM cameo some time in season 2, though
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As a non-book reader, I thought episode 3 was another pretty good entry. Jasper as a character annoys me though.
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Same here, great entertainment, and I feel like I know less about what's going on now than last week. That being said I'm fine with glossy nonsense as long as Jolan-Noy want to keep serving it up, it's not like it costs me anything. Bring on Fallout.
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whooooooole bunch of stuff not from the book in this ep. basically all of it also basically 100% exposition as expected boar guy fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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