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Josh Lyman posted:I’ve seen the first 3 eps. Is it worth finishing?
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TychoCelchuuu posted:What'd you think about those 3 episodes?
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Dec 3, 2022 09:18
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Josh Lyman posted:They were okay. The world building and mythology is decent but the script and secondary characters are meh. It mostly continues to be okay.
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Dec 3, 2022 10:34
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Slamhound posted:It mostly continues to be okay.
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Dec 3, 2022 10:57
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As someone who just finished watching it and has not read the book, the show is perfectly mid. Decent production and execution, but I'm not really interested enough in another season. Also, what exactly is going on in that ending? I feel like I must have missed something important: So I get the part where Flynne creates a new untraceable stub where life can just go on as normal without RI intervention. Ok, but how exactly is she intending to "hide" there with Conner when it's impossible to physically move between stubs, only transfer data? Also, if the "original stub" Flynne dies, then who is going back to future London at the end, the "new stub" Flynne?
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Dec 3, 2022 18:53
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grate deceiver posted:As someone who just finished watching it and has not read the book, the show is perfectly mid. Decent production and execution, but I'm not really interested enough in another season. Well, the stub will have another version of everyone that exists in the world at the point of the fork. So Flynne2 is safe in the new stub while Flynne1 is killing herself. Flynne2 is the one that goes back to London, completely negating the point of hiding in the first place.
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Dec 3, 2022 19:05
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Yeah, the new stub branches from Flynn's stub at that exact moment, basically making another copy of Flynn's stub that can then move forward and try to avoid the jackpot with help from Lowbeer in the 2090s. I presume Lowbeer can do something to prevent Cherise from knowing she's in communication with Flynn still. It was a solid show. It fell well short of the book, but that doesn't surprise me. I'm not sure having Gibson on board at every stage would've made it much better. Dude wrote the screenplay to Johnny Mnemonic, which didn't save that movie from being cheesy and silly.
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Dec 3, 2022 19:43
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I somehow assumed that you can't branch off a stub from another stub, only from the "original" timeline, so Flynn2 would have no knowledge of any events we witnessed in the show. But if it's a 1:1 copy of Flynn1's stub then that makes a lot more sense I guess.
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Dec 3, 2022 20:58
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grate deceiver posted:I somehow assumed that you can't branch off a stub from another stub, only from the "original" timeline, so Flynn2 would have no knowledge of any events we witnessed in the show. But if it's a 1:1 copy of Flynn1's stub then that makes a lot more sense I guess. That seemed to me what the visual of the new stub's creation indicated. Flynn doesn't trace a new line from the main line; she traces it laterally from the branch that represents her own stub.
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Dec 3, 2022 22:07
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I thought it stubbed off of 2028? I had a hard time following exactly everything that was going on so appreciate the hand holding here as a non book reader.
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Dec 4, 2022 01:50
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I'm surprised that was the finale. Felt way more like a penultimate episode.
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Dec 4, 2022 02:00
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I have no idea what the hell is even going on with the end of that one. Flynne gets rid of the information in the stub that Cherise can get to. But then Lev meets up with those dudes telling him to cauterize the entire branch of the tree to make sure nothing gets back to them. Does that mean that he would also be killing off that stub that Flynne just created since it seemed like it branched off of her stub.
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Dec 4, 2022 02:46
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Cojawfee posted:I have no idea what the hell is even going on with the end of that one. Flynne gets rid of the information in the stub that Cherise can get to. But then Lev meets up with those dudes telling him to cauterize the entire branch of the tree to make sure nothing gets back to them. Does that mean that he would also be killing off that stub that Flynne just created since it seemed like it branched off of her stub.
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Dec 4, 2022 03:19
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ymgve posted:The show claims that but I don't see why that's true? She's still connecting into a body in the 2090 world, so there's clearly a link that could be tracked down. It just seems like "and then they lived happily after and she got revenge like she claimed" Killing herself in the old stub doesn't make sense even if you assume the new timeline can't be tracked down because you bet that nuke would get set off anyway in the old stub just to eradicate any remaining trace of the bacteria. Yeah, I was mostly understanding the plot and character motivations up until the second half of the last episode, at which point I have no idea what's going on any more. - If the new stub was a redo, then why does it matter at all when the "value" of this stub was the bacteria dna in Flynne's head? - Why would the Cherise or Zev or Lowbeer care about this new stub at all, especially if the one(s) the RI were running experiments in are cut off and this one predates their experiments? - Why the heck did Flynne think she needed to kill herself, especially when that was the objective of the bad guys basically all season? - Why does anyone think that creating a new stub will cease the future's connection with the old "current" stub, considering the new stub appears to be a branch of the "current" stub? I can't tell if I missed something or if I'm too dumb to understand a genius plot 🤷♂️
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Dec 4, 2022 03:41
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Factor Mystic posted:Yeah, I was mostly understanding the plot and character motivations up until the second half of the last episode, at which point I have no idea what's going on any more. I think I understand this one. They were wanting to kill her all season because... I'm not really sure why, I guess to just close the loop on what happened so no one could figure it out. The reason why she finally decides to kill herself is because now they know that she has the RI information in her brain. So they would then want to capture her to get the data from her head. If she makes a new stub and then dies, then the information dies, and no one can get to that new stub, because she destroyed the uh pocket watch(?) that gave them access to the coordinates. What I don't get is why they are able to just freely control these peripherals whenever they want. Don't they belong to Zubov? Why are they allowed to just take these peripherals out and about to plot against Zubov?'
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Cojawfee posted:because she destroyed the uh pocket watch(?) that gave them access to the coordinates. What I don't get is why they are able to just freely control these peripherals whenever they want. Don't they belong to Zubov? Why are they allowed to just take these peripherals out and about to plot against Zubov?[/spoiler]' Oh yeah, I forgot about this line of things that don't make sense, I'm curious too. - we were introduced to the concept of RI stub outposts, and then see it, and then infiltrate it, and then flawlessly manipulate cutting edge future tech all in the span of about 40 minutes. So convenient! - how did Flynne know which RI stub facility to attack? - why does the RI let random guards open the door, and why is there only one door to give all access? - why are they protecting stub creator locations with only a fraction of the defense of stub viewing locations? - if the stubs are illegal and the cops know where the stub locations are, why don't the cops bust in (I'll admit this could have an in-universe answer such a balance of power, etc) - if Flynne destroyed the coordinates how is the future able to contact the past and connect with new-stub-Flynne!? - WHY DID THEY PUT THE STUB REMOTE CONTROL IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE STUB CREATOR PORTAL?!
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Dec 4, 2022 04:07
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Cojawfee posted:I think I understand this one. They were wanting to kill her all season because... I'm not really sure why, I guess to just close the loop on what happened so no one could figure it out. The reason why she finally decides to kill herself is because now they know that she has the RI information in her brain. So they would then want to capture her to get the data from her head. If she makes a new stub and then dies, then the information dies, and no one can get to that new stub, because she destroyed the uh pocket watch(?) that gave them access to the coordinates. What I don't get is why they are able to just freely control these peripherals whenever they want. Don't they belong to Zubov? Why are they allowed to just take these peripherals out and about to plot against Zubov?' When the RI talks about information being "stolen", I assume it's not literally been taken away from them, the RI still has all the data, but they don't want anyone else to have a copy of it it. The problem is that bacteria don't simply die when the host dies. Killing herself serves no purpose in limiting the information spread. And anyway, limiting the information spreading is exactly what the RI wants. They're willing to set off a nuke to eliminate any last trace of the bacteria.
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Dec 4, 2022 15:24
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I mean I think we just have to take the show's word for it that exploding her head with a bullet takes care of the bacteria. Presumably they're like integrated into her DNA or whatever and can't just survive on their own outside. Otherwise the entire final episode would be nonsensical.
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Dec 4, 2022 16:18
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TraderStav posted:I thought it stubbed off of 2028? I had a hard time following exactly everything that was going on so appreciate the hand holding here as a non book reader. I thought it stubbed off her stub that had started in 2028. I may have totally misunderstood the imagery though. nooneofconsequence posted:I'm surprised that was the finale. Felt way more like a penultimate episode. I think it was trying to thread the needle between being a season and series finale.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:26
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My general feeling after finishing this season: meh. Production values are great, the acting is generally good, but the writing is atrocious. A lot of the characters are over the top cruel/evil. Main character is exceptional for some reason but there seemingly zero explanation or hints as to why the entire season. Maybe I missed it. Haven’t read the book. Should I?
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Dec 4, 2022 22:43
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John DiFool posted:My general feeling after finishing this season: meh. I haven't watched the last ep yet, but: Aside from the broad premise and the basics of some of the characters, the book is a *very* different story. I kind of get why they made some of the changes but to me it's not as effective as what we got in the novel.
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Dec 4, 2022 23:17
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If you like the setting, general concept, and the characters then read the book. It's a very different plot.
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How does this rank in the recent sci-fi shows ranking? Severance being at the top obvs
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Mr. Nemo posted:How does this rank in the recent sci-fi shows ranking? It depends on how tolerant for YA stuff you are because that is 100% what this show feels like to me, "young person discovers a new world/whatever suddenly everything and everyone in that world revolves around them and everyone is obsessed with how cool they are for little to no reason."
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Dec 5, 2022 00:26
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Isn't the reason the narrative focuses on Flynne because she's really good at videogames? Like, that's the filter that separates her out from any other potential protagonist, and it's her skill, coupled with her relative disposability and ease of control, that makes her valuable to the faction that invests in her.
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Dec 5, 2022 00:36
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Otherwise the entire final episode would be nonsensical 
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Dec 5, 2022 00:37
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nah gently caress the whole seperate copy paste stub bullshit, should have stuck to the telepresence themes and have conner remote control a 3d printed mech to stop the nuke. then building up to president flynne fisher cockblocking the RI from her stub
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Dec 5, 2022 02:10
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John DiFool posted:My general feeling after finishing this season: meh. the book is like, literally exponentially better. it's my second or third favorite book he's ever written, which is saying a LOT
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Dec 5, 2022 03:58
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it's a textbook case of less being more. this show didn't need a huge budget or romantic entanglements or really anything to be different at all from the book to be good. showing the neoprims and wilf dorking around and such is just a lot more interesting than another (3 more?) bombastic copy paste villain
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With all the switching back and forth between all the stories, I got the two old white guy villains confused and was wondering why no one recognized the guy stuck on the bridge until I realized it was a different old white guy. They didn't really need two of them.
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Dec 5, 2022 05:21
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I enjoyed the show up until the finale which kind of felt like they dropped the ball with the overly complicated plan. Flynne killing herself comes out of nowhere and doesn't feel like it was very well justified. It basically means nothing to the actual story since I don't think we're going to be seeing that stub again.
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The reveal that Flynne's piloting what is essentially a humanoid robot is way earlier than I remember from the book. Gripping show nonetheless
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Dr. Yinz Ljubljana posted:The reveal that Flynne's piloting what is essentially a humanoid robot is way earlier than I remember from the book. Gripping show nonetheless
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Dec 5, 2022 07:22
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Not only that: the show immediately tells you we're dealing with two different timelines because it puts the year on the screen when it shows London and again when it cuts to America, whereas in the book it takes you a little while to realize that America is in the past. they spoiled that in the marketing! can't avoid it i suppose
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Dec 5, 2022 14:59
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Dr. Yinz Ljubljana posted:they spoiled that in the marketing! can't avoid it i suppose
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In the book you think it's different dimensions or something at first, at least I did.
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precision posted:In the book you think it's different dimensions or something at first, at least I did. Well... technically it is (unless I misunderstood how the stubs function).
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keep punching joe posted:Well... technically it is (unless I misunderstood how the stubs function). True!
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precision posted:In the book you think it's different dimensions or something at first, at least I did.
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Oh yeah that's right, at first it just seems like London is fancy
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