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Nuts and Gum posted:Yeah they never really filled in the details, but it’s either that or Greg decided to be gay? Greg could’ve been gay or bi the whole time. Could’ve been a long con to get at Tanya’s money.
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Read After Burning posted:I'm a lady in a long-term happy relationship and even I'd probably turn into a Tex Avery wolf at THAT lady, goddamn. I mean, yeah, I don't think the point is that it's wrong and bad the Di Grasso men are into insanely hot women. But I do think the 3-generation leer was flawless at making its point: that Albie is no goddamn different. Each one of them thinks they're morally better than their elder, and it's absurd because whatever their moral pretensions, in the moment it's the exact same impulse: "wait, who is SHE?!?" Bird in a Blender posted:Greg could’ve been gay or bi the whole time. Could’ve been a long con to get at Tanya’s money. I assumed this, as well. Greg was probably bi or gay, didn't particularly care about Tanya outside her money at any point, and either maintained or rekindled a connection with Quentin years after having some youthful dalliance. The "closeted Wyoming cowboy" part felt like a specific Brokeback Mountain reference, so I instantly filled in some blanks that they had some kind of decades-long penpal relationship that was never official but may have involved periodic down-low meetups. Only with some Strangers on a Train energy sprinkled in.
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Xealot posted:I mean, yeah, I don't think the point is that it's wrong and bad the Di Grasso men are into insanely hot women. But I do think the 3-generation leer was flawless at making its point: that Albie is no goddamn different. Each one of them thinks they're morally better than their elder, and it's absurd because whatever their moral pretensions, in the moment it's the exact same impulse: "wait, who is SHE?!?" This is made extra funny by the fact that (unless I'm misremembering), during the time he's into Portia, Albie seems to NOT glance at any of the hot women that pass by him at the resort. Like they make it a point to show several pretty and/or busty ladies pass by him walking towards the camera, but he stays looking straight ahead.
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I found mike white’s interview on the ringer’s prestige tv podcast pretty helpful for fleshing out my thoughts on the show. he talked about ethan and harper being inspired by some of his early relationships, and what he called the futility of trying to have a relationship where you’re 100% in sync with your partner. I guess the show does traffic in extremes but I thought the couples storylines were an interesting exploration of the tension between being attached to someone and wrapped up in their life, and being an individual who remains the protagonist of their own story. Xealot posted:I mean, yeah, I don't think the point is that it's wrong and bad the Di Grasso men are into insanely hot women. But I do think the 3-generation leer was flawless at making its point: that Albie is no goddamn different. Each one of them thinks they're morally better than their elder, and it's absurd because whatever their moral pretensions, in the moment it's the exact same impulse: "wait, who is SHE?!?" yeah it’s interesting to think of them as essentially exhibiting the same behavioral patterns, but filtered through three different generational lenses: Burt in complete denial (ignorance?) of his damaging behavior, Christofah is more openly ‘wrestling with his demons’ but basically doing the same poo poo, and then Albie has adopted a sort of ‘nice guy’ persona with some 101 level social media feminism thrown in, but at the end of the day he’s happy to sell off his mom for some rear end
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I viewed Bert's argument as a super midcentury patriarchal one. "My wife was perfectly happy! I gave her everything she wanted and she was blissfully ignorant of anything else. I did my job and that was good enough." Meanwhile, yeah, Dom seems to approach it like an addict, like it's this external vice on his back he struggles to control. And Albie drowns his wants in bullshit performative virtue signaling. Pretty on point for all of them, generationally.
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blue squares posted:Then when Tanya comes out shooting, the audience is not distracted thinking "Oh, no, what if this is a tragic misunderstanding"
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NoDamage posted:Anyone else think it would have been funnier if they had left it ambiguous instead of spelling out that they were indeed trying to kill her and so her actions were justified in self-defense? I think so. I figured the prenup had a clause about infidelity and that using the guy to have her cheat was the ploy all along. Murdering everyone over potentially being ratted out on that is much more wild in my eyes.
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George H.W. oval office posted:I think so. I figured the prenup had a clause about infidelity and that using the guy to have her cheat was the ploy all along. Murdering everyone over potentially being ratted out on that is much more wild in my eyes. Same! I thought that was a bit outlandish, but a much easier and more cinematic ending for Tanya vs. years of legal battles.
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Xealot posted:I viewed Bert's argument as a super midcentury patriarchal one. "My wife was perfectly happy! I gave her everything she wanted and she was blissfully ignorant of anything else. I did my job and that was good enough." Meanwhile, yeah, Dom seems to approach it like an addict, like it's this external vice on his back he struggles to control. And Albie drowns his wants in bullshit performative virtue signaling. Pretty on point for all of them, generationally. This is much better said than the weird feeling I couldn’t quite put my finger on so thank you.
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I've heard the movie triangle of sadness is white lotus but - get this - it's a movie. So I'm going to watching that tomorrow and report back on my feelings, and somehow tie it into albie being either an incel or a hypocrite. See you in 24 hours.
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It's only been a week since the finale, but this show was such a needed pop culture vortex of campy joy that I find myself in withdrawal. The true Holiday blues.
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roomtone posted:I've heard the movie triangle of sadness is white lotus but - get this - it's a movie. I've seen it and pretty much, yeah. What if White Lotus Inc ran a cruise.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Tanya's storyline turned into a Coen Brothers story, especially in the finale. PostNouveau posted:They probably would have gotten away with it if they had disconnected Portia and Tanya by getting rid of Tanya's phone instead of Portia's. Tanya's on a drug binge and in general ditzy and careless, so she wouldn't have been suspicious, whereas Portia is constantly connected to hers.
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lol that the love of Tom Hollander's life that he would die trying to commit a murder for was Uncle Rico
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NoDamage posted:Anyone else think it would have been funnier if they had left it ambiguous instead of spelling out that they were indeed trying to kill her and so her actions were justified in self-defense? Oh it absolutely would have been better that way. And really all you'd need to do is get rid of the last scene with Jack warning Portia. It would have been a masterful bit of existential black comedy if we were left thinking "okay but maybe they were just friendly gay guys"
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I've only seen Tom Hollander in this and The Night Manager and based on that I think he is just the creepiest little worm on TV. Good stuff.
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Mons Hubris posted:I've only seen Tom Hollander in this and The Night Manager and based on that I think he is just the creepiest little worm on TV. Good stuff. Add Pride & Prejudice to the list. Little wormy dude. Though I adore him in In The Loop!
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VorpalBunny posted:Add Pride & Prejudice to the list. Little wormy dude. Best part of the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels.
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NoDamage posted:Anyone else think it would have been funnier if they had left it ambiguous instead of spelling out that they were indeed trying to kill her and so her actions were justified in self-defense? Yeah, that would have been better. Tanya going all John Wick with her eyes closed was amazing.
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I'm gonna watch Season 1 for the third time soon, and I'm realizing it just hit differently than S2 did. Different "vibes", I guess.
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I watched them back to back and liked S2 so much more. Except Armond ofc who was disconnected in a lot of ways but so drat amazing (and I realize now his mustache had to have come from Basil Fawlty). S2's ending with the two couples sitting down for breakfast was such a wonderful finish, just this fantastic way to put it all together. No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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In case this is the thread that Murray Bartlett fans read, he fuckin knocked it out of the park in The Last of Us this week.
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NoDamage posted:Anyone else think it would have been funnier if they had left it ambiguous instead of spelling out that they were indeed trying to kill her and so her actions were justified in self-defense? Disagree here. Part of what made it work for me was that it was so incredibly outlandish that you don't really believe that's she's right until they are explicitly saying it. Puts you in the same mindset of Portia, who also doesn't believe it's actually happening until it's very, very clear. Also it just plays better that her actions are selfdefense but clumsy and gives her some dignity before exiting stage left. If you think she just murdered a bunch of innocent dudes who wanted to give her a nice vacation, it really taints the character.
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withak posted:In case this is the thread that Murray Bartlett fans read, he fuckin knocked it out of the park in The Last of Us this week. He’s popping up everywhere and I love it!
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It's not really crumbs though, they telegraph very hard by the last episode that they actually do mean to kill her. Jack's actions, them all impatiently waiting for her to leave the boat, that her date is a member of the mob... and is bringing rope and a gun...quote:also re: jack and portia, i do think he was ordered to keep her away from tanya, but i also think his emotional breakdown and urging portia to flee because of the bad, powerful people was him just increasingly having severe trouble keeping a lid on his entirely disagreeable concubinage. like he lapses into serious alcohol abuse very quickly, jack is having a real rough time and he's not a reliable narrator because he's just struggling under accumulated trauma ...like this is so much legwork from what we're shown. The bits where the show wants us to fill in the blanks aren't particularly subtle (just going to that beach, way over there~). Granted leaving the door partially open to this interpretation is part of the whole appeal of it, but still, Occam's razor my man. CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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socialsecurity posted:doing molly, chatting up sex workers and bringing them back to your hotel room is still a bad thing 
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:honestly, i dont think the gays were trying to murder her for her money. Did Quentin write this post
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I’m going through the thread and I have to jump to the end because it’s driving me crazy: EVERYONE sucks. Some people have better aspects than other, but the point is that every person in every season is a bad person in some way. Advocating for anyone is like trying to grab water with a sieve.
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DamnGlitch posted:I’m going through the thread and I have to jump to the end because it’s driving me crazy: EVERYONE sucks. Some people have better aspects than other, but the point is that every person in every season is a bad person in some way. Advocating for anyone is like trying to grab water with a sieve. See, I think poo poo like that (or Succession, Seinfeld, Always Sunny, etc), where all the main characters are lovely assholes, can lead to some interesting discussions.  I'm always intrigued to see what is excusable/understandable behavior for some viewers, while other folks are like "Lmao what, they're literally the WORST of the group!"
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Is there no S1 thread? I'm just now watching that season and so far it owns. Definitely scratches the "everyone's an insane rear end in a top hat" itch.
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https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1630438568890970113mobby_6kl posted:Is there no S1 thread? I'm just now watching that season and so far it owns. Definitely scratches the "everyone's an insane rear end in a top hat" itch. I'm in the minority here, but I kinda preferred S1.  Let's discuss!
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