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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss. unless you have a plan beyond "what if new boss???"

the plan is first you get rid of the hegemony by whatever means you have to resort to, then you try to build a better world, and maybe succeed, or don't.

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Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

suck my woke dick posted:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss. unless you have a plan beyond "what if new boss???"

Different things are different.

e:

Lin-Manuel Turtle has issued a correction as of 08:36 on Apr 20, 2024

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
what reading too much about the romans does to a mf

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Homeless Friend posted:

what reading too much about the romans does to a mf

nah the mongols and the inca were terrible overlords too

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dk2m
May 6, 2009

suck my woke dick posted:

give the romans coal power stations and see how it goes. protip: probably badly, given that widespread airborne lead pollution first became a thing due to roman smelting operations, long before we gave it another go with leaded gasoline

the problem is technological advancement outpacing societal ability to use that technology responsibly, not that society now is inherently more terrible

finally a reasonable take on the american empire, even if I don't completely agree

I would argue that financial domination isn't as unique as you think it is either and instead is just the currently most convenient means of imperialism. If and when US financial dominance collapses, I don't think there's zero chance of a new world reserve currency emerging. How things go very much depends on whether the remaining major powers prefer to attach themselves to whichever one emerges as the next most powerful to emulate the current status quo. Even if a multipolar order emerges, we'll likely see economically integrated blocs emerging, merely replicating the problem of one major power having a veto over its satellites, either by financial means or through brute force. To avoid that fate, you need to control one or more of those blocs to ensure it's actively working towards a new international order that rejects imperialism while being well-organised and well-defended enough to not be picked apart by imperialist powers.

the US is and continues to be explicitly against development of the the broader world and that includes Europe. the US is fundamentally extractive, as it uses its exorbitant privilege only for its benefit, and any incidental development that occured in places like Germany and Japan will always be temporary - destorying Japan via the Plaza Accords and then attacking Nordstream to cut Germany's energy indepedence is due to American policy, nothing else. There's a reason why latin american continues to be underdeveloped and leftist politicians are routinely assasinated or undercut by US policy. Not only that, but having veto power in every single international agency makes it useless to even call them international ones. They are US institutions set up to serve US interests.

i reject that a bloc has to be "controlled" in this same fashion to work in its member states benefit - there's nothing inherent about international finance that stipulates extractiveness. this needs to be tested, but this war is the first hint that over the next few decades, viable mechanisms of international settlement can be achieved without involving the US system at all and being beneficial to all member states without western style exploitation. you're arguing that the future will consist of states acting in the same fashion as the US, but you're basing it off of historical examples of how the west has treated the world since the 1500s. for the first time, an asian country in hundreds of years that operates under completely different principles can withstand the shocks the US could impose on it - imposing the same behavior on them without looking at how they're operating seems very short sighted and a false equivalence. The american response to Ukraine is both to keep russia engaged while making sure the European satellites remain locked into the US system and not defect to where the growth is - that is eurasia.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

suck my woke dick posted:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss. unless you have a plan beyond "what if new boss???"

https://twitter.com/tamars/status/1780974439363903608?t=BZkpZw4FVamdZIjugqJXeA&s=19

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Nix Panicus posted:

Why do you insist the new boss would be the same as the old boss? Back up your assertion that any nation could be as depraved and pervasive as the US.

no u

seriously, give an example of a major power that wasn't 1) absolute poo poo to whoever it could dominate or 2) doing splendid isolationism, thus letting the second biggest power do 1

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
so what are you

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

suck my woke dick posted:

no u

seriously, give an example of a major power that wasn't 1) absolute poo poo to whoever it could dominate or 2) doing splendid isolationism, thus letting the second biggest power do 1

the Holodomor

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

communism good but show me an existing communist power that could actually plausibly replace the US.

building communism is the hard part, toppling amerikkka is the easy part

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

china

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
what the gently caress is this

either say we and our families should be killed or get the gently caress out

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
china is here, mr burton

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Regarde Aduck posted:

what the gently caress is this

a westerner

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

no. we went through this in the marxism thread, guys who are stupid and wrong are very valuable.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Zodium posted:

no. we went through this in the marxism thread, guys who are stupid and wrong are very valuable.

yep. i have a good feeling about them

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

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debatable if communist at all. also starting to do annoying great power poo poo

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

debatable if communist at all. also starting to do annoying great power poo poo

oh yeah? have anything in particular in mind?

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
chinas communist, hth

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

suck my woke dick posted:

also starting to do annoying great power poo poo

like what

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

anime avatar guy, if I wanted to learn more about your very important political tendency which hearts of iron mod should I play?

e: I meant Hentai, sorry Homless Friend

Lin-Manuel Turtle has issued a correction as of 09:12 on Apr 20, 2024

dk2m
May 6, 2009

suck my woke dick posted:

debatable if communist at all. also starting to do annoying great power poo poo

lol

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Zodium posted:

oh yeah? have anything in particular in mind?

putting bases on every coral reef that sticks above the water 5cm this side of the 9 dash line, doing territorial expansion attempts over islands in that region. just because you're a big country with enemies doesn't mean you get to integrate every surrounding piece of land (or """land""") that's militarily useful into your territory. otherwise we might as well say all of cuba should be an airstrip for the USAF under the same logic

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
China isn't really communist at all, also they do lots of scary communist things

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

suck my woke dick posted:

putting bases on every coral reef that sticks above the water 5cm this side of the 9 dash line, doing territorial expansion attempts over islands in that region. just because you're a big country with enemies doesn't mean you get to integrate every surrounding piece of land (or """land""") that's militarily useful into your territory. otherwise we might as well say all of cuba should be an airstrip for the USAF under the same logic

it is good to defend the revolution against capitalist encroachment actually

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
also it'd be way more based (heh) if china drove its carrier around the Carribbean and the Baltic sea on freedom of navigation of exercises of its own to troll hypocrites around here

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

China isn't really communist at all, also they do lots of scary communist things

nah just generic expansionist things

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

are you a Trot? you have to tell us if you are

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
they're all hosed up

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
it's always lol when liberals think they know what communism is and lecture leftists based on what they've decided they're supposed to believe

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

putting bases on every coral reef that sticks above the water 5cm this side of the 9 dash line, doing territorial expansion attempts over islands in that region. just because you're a big country with enemies doesn't mean you get to integrate every surrounding piece of land (or """land""") that's militarily useful into your territory. otherwise we might as well say all of cuba should be an airstrip for the USAF under the same logic

seems to me that if communists keep doing "territorial expansion," that's making progress towards "world socialism." do you have another plan?

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

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Zodium posted:

seems to me that if communists keep doing "territorial expansion," that's making progress towards "world socialism." do you have another plan?

supporting communists abroad so they can win elections and/or have revolutions, instead of planting a red flag in each colony?

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

Zodium posted:

seems to me that if communists keep doing "territorial expansion," that's making progress towards "world socialism." do you have another plan?

keep up, this poster knows what communism is better than a billion Chinese people and that China is not communist (debatably)

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

Vote!

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
theres a colony in my boot

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I mean if the big crimes of China are building on some atolls in disputed territory, what is that compared to the US?

Personally, I actually don't think the US "disappearing" is actually necessary or perhaps even desirable, but certainly its influence should be pushed as far as back as possible. "Pax Americana" simply isn't sustainable, even if the US' power base is crumbling, it is simply too exploitive and disastrous for the world's population.

Look at the damage the IMF has done (a US creation), look at the wars, look at the chaos created by the US when the rest of the world has tried to address COVID or climate change; the US perhaps doesn't need to be destroyed, but it can't have the head seat at the table any longer.

As why the US shouldn't be destroyed, it is perhaps still beneficial to have some upper-middle strength powers around even if they are embittered for a few generations. Admittedly, if the US was on the verge of collapse, it would be better to prop it up a bit then again just let chaos reign.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
i've always hated the argument that if you do some things that bad people have done, that automatically means you're a bad person, even if your goals are completely opposite and beneficial. Hitting someone in the back, or driving your first into someone's gut, or cutting open a woman's abdomen are all terrible things, unless you're trying to prevent them choking to death or trying to deliver a baby that will otherwise die or imperil the mother if you just let nature take it's course.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

supporting communists abroad so they can win elections and/or have revolutions, instead of planting a red flag in each colony?

that doesn't seem like a very good plan. the soviets did a great job making progress towards world socialism when they were planting red flags, and not so great a job when they tried your plan.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
did you go to cuba recently by any chance

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
China ftw

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