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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

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dk2m posted:

the US is and continues to be explicitly against development of the the broader world and that includes Europe. the US is fundamentally extractive, as it uses its exorbitant privilege only for its benefit, and any incidental development that occured in places like Germany and Japan will always be temporary - destorying Japan via the Plaza Accords and then attacking Nordstream to cut Germany's energy indepedence is due to American policy, nothing else. There's a reason why latin american continues to be underdeveloped and leftist politicians are routinely assasinated or undercut by US policy. Not only that, but having veto power in every single international agency makes it useless to even call them international ones. They are US institutions set up to serve US interests.
yes, but in closely US aligned nations, they allow lazy complacency, and as long as things are vaguely comfortable there is little desire in the ruling classes to rock the boat, and much desire to return to the status quo if someone else rocks it.

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i reject that a bloc has to be "controlled" in this same fashion to work in its member states benefit - there's nothing inherent about international finance that stipulates extractiveness. this needs to be tested, but this war is the first hint that over the next few decades, viable mechanisms of international settlement can be achieved without involving the US system at all and being beneficial to all member states without western style exploitation. you're arguing that the future will consist of states acting in the same fashion as the US, but you're basing it off of historical examples of how the west has treated the world since the 1500s. for the first time, an asian country in hundreds of years that operates under completely different principles can withstand the shocks the US could impose on it - imposing the same behavior on them without looking at how they're operating seems very short sighted and a false equivalence. The american response to Ukraine is both to keep russia engaged while making sure the European satellites remain locked into the US system and not defect to where the growth is - that is eurasia.
Control can also mean a hypothetical ideal case where you form a bloc of socialist and/or communist nations which closely coordinate to avoid being taken over by other capitalist or otherwise imperialist powers. You do need control in the sense that all members of the bloc need to coordinate and contribute to foreign policy, even though that policy might be benevolent rather than imperialist or expansionist.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

suck my woke dick posted:

no u

seriously, give an example of a major power that wasn't 1) absolute poo poo to whoever it could dominate or 2) doing splendid isolationism, thus letting the second biggest power do 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD6Ay0v_UmU

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

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the Soviet Union had, uh, issues

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


suck my woke dick posted:

communism good but show me an existing communist power that could actually plausibly replace the US.

building communism is the hard part, toppling amerikkka is the easy part

Embrace Xi Jinping Thought, comrade

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

suck my woke dick posted:

the Soviet Union had, uh, issues

Yeah, they let too much slide during the late Brezhnev era.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

suck my woke dick posted:

the Soviet Union had, uh, issues

....we got a live one!

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

The heckin Soviet Union? um yikes my dude. problematic much? a little something called HOLODOMOR?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

suck my woke dick posted:

the Soviet Union had, uh, issues

Unless those issues were being 1) absolute poo poo to whoever it could dominate or 2) doing splendid isolationism I don't want to hear it

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Lin-Manuel Turtle posted:

The heckin Soviet Union? um yikes my dude. problematic much? a little something called HOLODOMOR?

one of the soviet union's major problems was that stalin would not stop eating all the grain.

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Oct 10, 2012

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Not So Fast posted:

Embrace Xi Jinping Thought, comrade

:china::hf::geoduck:

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

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Ardennes posted:

I mean if the big crimes of China are building on some atolls in disputed territory, what is that compared to the US?

Personally, I actually don't think the US "disappearing" is actually necessary or perhaps even desirable, but certainly its influence should be pushed as far as back as possible. "Pax Americana" simply isn't sustainable, even if the US' power base is crumbling, it is simply too exploitive and disastrous for the world's population.

Look at the damage the IMF has done (a US creation), look at the wars, look at the chaos created by the US when the rest of the world has tried to address COVID or climate change; the US perhaps doesn't need to be destroyed, but it can't have the head seat at the table any longer.

As why the US shouldn't be destroyed, it is perhaps still beneficial to have some upper-middle strength powers around even if they are embittered for a few generations. Admittedly, if the US was on the verge of collapse, it would be better to prop it up a bit then again just let chaos reign.

:agreed:

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

I'm also very concerned about Chinese colonialism in the South China Sea.

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Oct 10, 2012

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genericnick posted:

Unless those issues were being 1) absolute poo poo to whoever it could dominate or 2) doing splendid isolationism I don't want to hear it

it's bad if you roll in the tanks just because someone wants to implement socialism with local characteristics instead of being an appendage of moscow

genericnick posted:

I'm also very concerned about Chinese colonialism in the South China Sea.

quick, rename it to the eastern Irish sea

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

suck my woke dick posted:

give the romans coal power stations and see how it goes. protip: probably badly, given that widespread airborne lead pollution first became a thing due to roman smelting operations, long before we gave it another go with leaded gasoline

the problem is technological advancement outpacing societal ability to use that technology responsibly, not that society now is inherently more terrible

finally a reasonable take on the american empire, even if I don't completely agree

I would argue that financial domination isn't as unique as you think it is either and instead is just the currently most convenient means of imperialism. If and when US financial dominance collapses, I don't think there's zero chance of a new world reserve currency emerging. How things go very much depends on whether the remaining major powers prefer to attach themselves to whichever one emerges as the next most powerful to emulate the current status quo. Even if a multipolar order emerges, we'll likely see economically integrated blocs emerging, merely replicating the problem of one major power having a veto over its satellites, either by financial means or through brute force. To avoid that fate, you need to control one or more of those blocs to ensure it's actively working towards a new international order that rejects imperialism while being well-organised and well-defended enough to not be picked apart by imperialist powers.

ANCIENT ROME DIDNT HAVE ROBOTS, DIPSHIT

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

A genuine socialist uprising against the Soviet Union? may I see it?

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

this guy is no billsphoenix

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

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Orange Devil posted:

ANCIENT ROME DIDNT HAVE ROBOTS, DIPSHIT

indeed it did not

but that's why ancient Rome didn't do 21st century things, not because humans functioned differently back then

dk2m
May 6, 2009

Zodium posted:

this guy is no billsphoenix

I stopped posting in that thread because I was losing my mind

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Anyway as far as the tweet that got posted (and the dude got banned for), why are there just a sizzle reel of a couple exploded vehicles if the Russians are taking such massive local losses?

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 10:15 on Apr 20, 2024

Sanlav
Feb 10, 2020

We'll Meet Again

suck my woke dick posted:

unless you're ready to lick the boot of the next empire for not being American.

And your conclusion is we need to keep doing that because .... Doing the mass murder yourself is preferable to uncertainty? Leadership is hard so lets do it horrendously rather than abdicate? Why is feeding Ukranian's into a wood chipper making you think America is protecting those interests liberals hold so dear.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

suck my woke dick posted:

supporting communists abroad so they can win elections and/or have revolutions, instead of planting a red flag in each colony?

lmao, electoralism is going to save us

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

suck my woke dick posted:

it's bad if you roll in the tanks just because someone wants to implement socialism with local characteristics instead of being an appendage of moscow


Seems we have at least one example of what not sending in the tanks when the liberals start to lib in the face of a capitalist hegemonic power leads to.

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

every human is like me. every society is like mine all across history. The Soviets did tankodomor and China stole Nemo from his family and built an island on top of SpongeBob’s house. I am a True Communist in support of actually unexistant socialism. If only you silly tankies had half the brain power I have at disposal, but alas… Any questions?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

The US building military bases across the world to position knives at the throats of would be rivals, launching coups if necessary to extract concessions, is exactly equivalent to China fortifying its borders against the most insanely aggressive nation on Earth which has openly declared China to be a priority enemy. Thanks for the insight.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

dk2m posted:

I stopped posting in that thread because I was losing my mind

it was terrible, and yet it produced some valuable posting that we could all learn from. today we've learned that being stupid and wrong is not sufficient, they have to be stupid and wrong in just the right way.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Nix Panicus posted:

lmao, electoralism is going to save us

thats just describing the CIA lol

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Zodium posted:

it was terrible, and yet it produced some valuable posting that we could all learn from. today we've learned that being stupid and wrong is not sufficient, they have to be stupid and wrong in just the right way.

bill actually read a book and held sincere beliefs. this guys just posting D&D style.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Homeless Friend posted:

bill actually read a book and held sincere beliefs. this guys just posting D&D style.

lock them in the thread and play shubel morgan until they are ready to post cspam style

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

bill actually read a book and held sincere beliefs. this guys just posting D&D style.

amking a note of this for my belief production machine design

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Zodium posted:

no. we went through this in the marxism thread, guys who are stupid and wrong are very valuable.

this dipshit isn’t going to give us anything on the line of the “anti-coat”

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Homeless Friend posted:

thats just describing the CIA lol

lmao

Hey dipshit share your thoughts on the Maidan 'revolution'

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

I think having a self-serving justification for not doing anything and maintaining the status-quo should count as a legitimate belief system.

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Zodium posted:

this guy is no billsphoenix

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

suck my woke dick posted:

indeed it did not

but that's why ancient Rome didn't do 21st century things, not because humans functioned differently back then

Humans acted differently because the material circumstances were different. Which is precisely why once the US empire is toppled, which requires a changed material circumstance, and whatever new world order will arise from that out of different countries, each also already containing within them in the present day different material circumstances, will lead to different outcomes. You idiot, you moron, you absolute buffoon.

The point of Rome didn't have robots isn't that "if Rome had robots they'd be just like the US". The point is "if Rome had robots it wouldn't have been Rome".

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

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Orange Devil posted:

Humans acted differently because the material circumstances were different. Which is precisely why once the US empire is toppled, which requires a changed material circumstance, and whatever new world order will arise from that out of different countries, each also already containing within them in the present day different material circumstances, will lead to different outcomes. You idiot, you moron, you absolute buffoon.

The point of Rome didn't have robots isn't that "if Rome had robots they'd be just like the US". The point is "if Rome had robots it wouldn't have been Rome".

if you wanted to make that point without being a weird obsessive, you'd make the point that we need to change material conditions (plus build political power to make use of those conditions), which happens to involve the end of America being #1. not that America being #1 is special and present it like it's the only thing that needs to change

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Oct 10, 2012

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Lin-Manuel Turtle posted:

I think having a self-serving justification for not doing anything and maintaining the status-quo should count as a legitimate belief system.

truly the only options are status quo worship and an infantile belief that everything would automagically be better if only the Bad Guy Great Devil were toppled

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
it's actually really simple, for things to change you must first get rid of the thing that is spending trillions of dollars in materiel and murder to prevent things from changing

after that things might get better. they also might not, but the impossibility of change in current order makes better things impossible

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
shut up kraut

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

suck my woke dick posted:

truly the only options are status quo worship and an infantile belief that everything would automagically be better if only the Bad Guy Great Devil were toppled

perhaps you should explain what the Third Way you are pursuing is, because otherwise it appears that you are just obsessively defending the USA from criticism

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

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